R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[ghosthunter]

Ahh ok here are a few things to this. First, manufacturing is an activity any industrializing country should have. No ifs or buts about it.

As far as rice self-sufficiency, we are on target to be so by 2016 give or take a few typhoons. Don't feel so bad about IRRI alumni getting ahead of us, we did have a generation of opportunities lost to martial law and mismanagement after that. Its really just the reality.

Scales of economies in agriculture are achieved by agro-industrial integration. This, however, will not happen quite yet given the abundance of agricultural labor. In most countries where you have this being implemented, there is a growing scarcity and cost of farm labor.

Brazil took decades to get to where it is right now agriculturally. Somehow they were blessed with historical opportunities that were exploited. The investments from terra-forming unusable land to linking these via rail wasn't achieved overnight in tandem with scientific support.

Tata is to India as to what Hyundai/Kia/Samsung is to Korea. It is an industrial conglomerate that benefits from policies of protection. The Indian economy is fairly closed to foreign investments. They can afford to do so given the size of their market.

We cannot have a local car manufacturing industry because we do not have a local market to support such an industry. The annual total car sales is already small.

Tata can do it because it has a massive local market for it's products.

[EVO-V]

We cannot have a local car manufacturing industry because we do not have a local market to support such an industry. The annual total car sales is already small.

Tata can do it because it has a massive local market for it's products.

Indian companies, and their oligarchs, can hold out against foreign competition longer at the expense of the Indian public because they do have that local market. This affords them the right to snub free trade.

We can't be looking at this as entirely black and white though.

We are producing a few models locally. Remember that our geography here in SEAsia lends much to manufacturers spreading themselves out to gain incentives and advantages from each economy that hosts them.

The tsunami in Japan and flooding in Thailand emphasized the importance of NOT having all your eggs in one basket for these people too.

The auto industry is very complex so much so it isn't a matter of whether we produce a Filipino car or not, but more of what aspect/value of this industry do we occupy.

[uls]

A far cry from the Willy's jeep replicas they use to make. Your point being?

"Your point being?"---> that's the best pinoys can build. right angle metal boxes

[dfopiso]

As far as rice self-sufficiency, we are on target to be so by 2016 give or take a few typhoons. Don't feel so bad about IRRI alumni getting ahead of us, we did have a generation of opportunities lost to martial law and mismanagement after that. Its really just the reality.

2016? malapit na yun! sana nga maging rice exporter ang Pilipinas thereafter

pero tama ba, both Taiwan and SK started in agriculture before becoming an industrialized nation? (canaan farm in SK)

[Syuryuken]

Yung proudly Philippine Made na mga de lata at noodles di nga kayo bumibili yung sasakyan pa kayang "proudly Philippine Made"

[uls]

^^^bumibili ako ng century tuna

[Monseratto]

isuzu i-van

metal box with windows

I wouldn't call that proudly Philippine made. Yung "box" lang gawa locally, the rest is imported. Anyway isn't Isuzu closing it's assembly plant? Malamang out sourced 'to kila MD Juan's Centro plant...

[Helios]

hehehe century tuna, wise guy. okay let me get this straight, bec i'm pretty serious here. no skills at all beyond the usual flat panels and straight boxes? at all? what the heck are those ofw learning overseas?

[uls]

I wonder who'd buy that thing...? Anyway isn't Isuzu closing it assembly plant? Malamang out sourced 'to kila MD Juan' Centro plant...

Isuzu and Mitsu brings in cab-chassis units and local body fabricators (Centro and Almazora) make the bodies



unique kasi ang requirement ng local market sa truck bodies

kelangan pwede pang sakay ng tao hehe

[dfopiso]

isuzu i-van

metal box with windows

OT: pwede yata ito sa http://tsikot.com/forums/goon-squad-.../index252.html

[uls]

hehehe century tuna, wise guy. okay let me get this straight, bec i'm pretty serious here. no skills at all beyond the usual flat panels and straight boxes? at all? what the heck are those ofw learning overseas?

it's year 2012 and the Phils. still manufactures in right angles

i guess nobody here is investing in machines the can mass produce curves

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OFWs? they come home... then they relax... go to boracay

seriously, even if they learned stuff abroad they couldnt apply them here coz there aren't similar capital goods here to put those skills to work

[dr. d]

we can't do it yet... because we are still politically confused as to whether we are an agricultural country, or an industrialized (o sige.. industrializing) country.
and until we decide, we won't be getting anywhere.
my 84 centavos' worth.
at bakit ka naman mag-i-invest in machines making machines? e, alam mo naman papatayin lang ang business mo ng subic, cebu, at port irene...

[dfopiso]

baka kaya natin Soul and Orlando dahil medyo flat ang metal part

[uls]

baka kaya natin Soul and Orlando dahil medyo flat ang metal part

eto kaya ng Pinas

[dfopiso]

yun bang body ng Revo was done here?

[EVO-V]

"Your point being?"---> that's the best pinoys can build. right angle metal boxes

Really? Do you know the business, science and engineering parameters as to why that design decision was reached before you actually dismiss the multi-discipline competencies required to put something like that together?

Obviously you don't. But for your benefit, given the cost considerations, the "box" is very economical to make without ridiculous tooling costs. Benders and welders only. Panels are laser cut for the windows. Its pretty darn rigid too.

Market isn't that big, why build something that will require costly tooling? I mean do you expect people to ride this in luxurious hopes of caviar dreams and champagne wishes?

But seriously, do you research first. Tool and die technology is readily available, and though the brainpower is limited and concentrated to a few companies locally, the capabilities are there given the right conditions.

Do Japanese manufacturers feel shame for having parts made by Indonesians? Thais? Filipinos? Malaysians? Vietnamese? Mexicans?

We're really getting simplistic about this.

[Helios]

baka kaya natin Soul and Orlando dahil medyo flat ang metal part

good design... not enough in my opinion to convince investors. we've got to do more as in what niky says and evo as in blitzkrieg or pearl harbour them that sort of thing.

...if they learned stuff from abroad... nobody is investing...

okay so one knows for sure if we have those 'skilled' people lying around just waiting for the right opportunity to showcase their expertise. which means 'build it first and they will come' scenario?

[dfopiso]

yung stailess jeep gawa dini syempre ... kaya lang wala ng kasunod

[Helios]

Market isn't that big, why build something that will require costly tooling? I mean do you expect people to ride this in luxurious hopes of caviar dreams and champagne wishes?

keep it simple, practical. machinery and tooling should be 'just enough' to be able to fabricate those contours either for autos, gear and instruments. overhead should be down to a minimum. again we should avoid competing with the big boys it aint nice for everybody. there's still a niche market out there waiting for us to exploit.

[uls]

Obviously you don't. But for your benefit, given the cost considerations, the "box" is very economical to make without ridiculous tooling costs. Benders and welders only. Panels are laser cut for the windows. Its pretty darn rigid too.

yup cheap and easy. benders and welders only. the story of the Phils.

that's exactly why the Phils. can only make right angle metal boxes