R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[fourtheboys96]

Having read some national innovation systems paper, it was quite clear that what China is doing today (copying and reverse engineering technologies or "R & D") is not new. Japan, Korea and Taiwan did the same before they became an technological and economic powerhouse.

I know IPR regulations are stricter today but I also assume that Research and Duplicate is still possible.
Why are Filipinos not into this?
Are we too proud?
Are we too kind and generous not to copy someone else's work?

Are we afraid of criticisms of our own work (original or otherwise)?

I am just curious.

[niky]

R&D is not necessarily our weakness. We can and do perform it. The real reason for Japan and Korea's success is government protectionism. Money. Lots of it.

(China is a different story... huge captive market... IP-ignoring industries... state sponsored industrialists and unfair trade practices)

Both the Japanese Zaibatsu and the Korean Chaebols relied heavily on government support and government-sourced or enabled funding to prosper. Japan also got further support in terms of wartime money, built up industrialization from before the war and during the war, and US government support.

If the Philippine insurgency were stronger or if the Philippines had land connections to China, we could have probably gained as much support as Korea and Japan did in terms of money and industrialization. But it isn't and we don't.

Our government has also been very weak in its approach to enabling local business, also. Too much money spent on bribes and not enough on actually protecting local business interests. Look at the auto sector and electronics sector... when a foreign partner leaves, there's still capital left behind, invested in machinery, personnel and technology. Is it tied into manufacturing local, competing products? Nope. It's just left to rot. If the government were more supportive of local industry... giving them subsidies and enabling them to be more competitive... we could perform the technology transfer needed. As it is, we can't.

Yun nga lang 40,000 unit minimum to ensure cost-effective production of locally manufactured vehicle bodies, di natin kaya... if the government would subsidize that production, or would at least grant tax breaks, puwede sana.

Our local business organizations are also weak. Too much political BS, personal interest and backstabbing. When you have an org here, there's just a few people actively involved and everyone else just takes up space. Even worse when one or two of those working have personal agendas and hijack the org for their own purposes. Unlike in Japan or Korea... where the leadership skills are not necessarily better, but at least the following skills are much more developed.

And that's probably the ultimate problem. We're not great team players. Even if the leaders are doing the right thing, we'll be badmouthing them and backstabbing them simply because we like the other guy, instead of working from within to make sure the whole thing sticks together.

[dr. d]

we can't do it yet... because we are still politically confused as to whether we are an agricultural country, or an industrialized (o sige.. industrializing) country.
and until we decide, we won't be getting anywhere.
my 84 centavos' worth.
at bakit ka naman mag-i-invest in machines making machines? e, alam mo naman papatayin lang ang business mo ng subic, cebu, at port irene...

[bacs]

R&D is not necessarily our weakness. We can and do perform it. The real reason for Japan and Korea's success is government protectionism. Money. Lots of it.

(China is a different story... huge captive market... IP-ignoring industries... state sponsored industrialists and unfair trade practices)

Both the Japanese Zaibatsu and the Korean Chaebols relied heavily on government support and government-sourced or enabled funding to prosper. Japan also got further support in terms of wartime money, built up industrialization from before the war and during the war, and US government support.

If the Philippine insurgency were stronger or if the Philippines had land connections to China, we could have probably gained as much support as Korea and Japan did in terms of money and industrialization. But it isn't and we don't.

Our government has also been very weak in its approach to enabling local business, also. Too much money spent on bribes and not enough on actually protecting local business interests. Look at the auto sector and electronics sector... when a foreign partner leaves, there's still capital left behind, invested in machinery, personnel and technology. Is it tied into manufacturing local, competing products? Nope. It's just left to rot. If the government were more supportive of local industry... giving them subsidies and enabling them to be more competitive... we could perform the technology transfer needed. As it is, we can't.

Yun nga lang 40,000 unit minimum to ensure cost-effective production of locally manufactured vehicle bodies, di natin kaya... if the government would subsidize that production, or would at least grant tax breaks, puwede sana.

Our local business organizations are also weak. Too much political BS, personal interest and backstabbing. When you have an org here, there's just a few people actively involved and everyone else just takes up space. Even worse when one or two of those working have personal agendas and hijack the org for their own purposes. Unlike in Japan or Korea... where the leadership skills are not necessarily better, but at least the following skills are much more developed.

And that's probably the ultimate problem. We're not great team players. Even if the leaders are doing the right thing, we'll be badmouthing them and backstabbing them simply because we like the other guy, instead of working from within to make sure the whole thing sticks together.

I know that this is a very late reply... Tama naman ginawa ng Japan and Korean Gov't protect those who wants to invest... tingnan nyo lang naabot nila ngayon. examle natin ung kia pride before either the bought the technology from ford or copied it but we(pinoys) bought it. fast forward to now... the kia rio or even the picanto can match or even surpass ford models in terms of reliability and efficiency. 5 years ago maybe until now we still laugh/criticize china made cars(ex. foton blizzard a photocopy of the isuzu fuego) but now they produce something good(ex. foton thunder has cummins engine with bosh CRDI, getrag transmission and DANA axles) though it may not match japanese and US brands but imagine what the next 5 years.

Again the gov't should protect\initiate\give heading so business will follow. tama nga si sir yapoy86 bulaga nga sa atin ito. we are educated to become employees with no patriotism. sad thing is we just go with the flow(example... dumami koreans dito nag aaral so tayo nag tato ng enlish schools/tutorial centers to cater the current needs and yes it grows the economy) may nag taka ba kung bakit ganito? (sagot ng iba mahal raw education sa korea, mahal kung mag dala pa ng english teachers doon) may naka isip bang preparation ito ng korean govt to compete globally. they send students out to learn english and immerse in different cultures. tayo balik local language ang subject. My point is we just react to opportunities when its infront of us and we failed in creating opportunities so we can get ahead. so we always end up being a consumer.

[MrQ5]

i had read a book forgot the real title it sounds like "An Art of War - business application"

China's development was patterned to what Japan did before copying an specific product but adding some features that lack the one copied.

Japan Quality Assurance then was really poor like products of China today, but when they already establish global market they slowly changes to Branding Quality of product that made-in-japan product is top-notch. Then they make they're own product/technology.

[uls]

lack of investment in Research and Duplicate...

and it's the culture

unlike Japan, SK, China, pinoys prefer to consume than produce

not a lot of businessmen here want to invest in manufacturing when importing finished products is a lot less hassle

and R&D/labor is expensive. who would want to invest money in R&D (and hope the make back the money years later) when you can make money now by importing and selling finished goods?

dito sa atin, capital just doesnt go to R&D

i'm sure there's skill here to make copies of stuff. but nobody's investing in that area

[yapoy86]

baluga kasi mga pinoy.... unahin muna sarili... kahit may government support pag may budget na lahat gusto kumita... o diba balugang baluga...

i'm working before sa isang korean company (famous sila sa TV)... doon gagawin ng korean mag buy sila ng machine na branded japanese... tapos in-house babaklasin nila.. bibili ng mga parts tapos mag assemble sila ng copy nun machine.. in the end.. 2 units lang yung binili nila sa japan tapos the rest copy na lang... very loyal sila sa bansa at company nila... when their philippine assembly plant was built all parts came from korea... kahit nga pa sub-con or pa customize ng parts, kahit kaya ng pinoy sa kapwa korean pa din sila mag papagawa...

[uls]

hehe

mas priority ng pinoy mag happy-happy kesa pag aralan paano ginawa ang mga bagay bagay

kulang tayo sa nerd... curious people who take things apart for fun just to find out how they work

puro kasi pa-cool mga tao dito. puro porma. pinagtatawanan mga nerd. kaya wala gusto maging nerd

sa Japan, SK dami nerd

nasa culture talaga

[uls]

kahit simpleng CRT TV walang pinoy businessman nag-abala mag manufacture

pero TV technician na pinoy napakarami hehe

[basti08]

hahaha uso kasi bastusan sa China (errr... walang kapwa tao at pakielam, bahala ka sa buhay mo kung ginaya ka namin hahaha!), yung Korea at Japan naman stepping stone lang ang derivation nila ng gawa, but not exactly copying. hehe

[Noel Salisipan]

hehe

mas priority ng pinoy mag happy-happy kesa pag aralan paano ginawa ang mga bagay bagay

kulang tayo sa nerd... curious people who take things apart for fun just to find out how they work

puro kasi pa-cool mga tao dito. puro porma. pinagtatawanan mga nerd. kaya wala gusto maging nerd

sa Japan, SK dami nerd

nasa culture talaga

Alam ko maraming henyong pinoy, mayroon tayong research pero kulang sa development.

Wala kasing mag-finance lalo na yung manggagaling sa gobyerno. Kaya ang mga scientist sa atin e nauuwi sa "sayangtist".

[uls]

Alam ko maraming henyong pinoy, mayroon tayong research pero kulang sa development.

Wala kasing mag-finance lalo na yung manggagaling sa gobyerno. Kaya ang mga scientist sa atin e nauuwi sa "sayangtist".

yup like i said sa page 1

lack of investment in Research and Duplicate...

and it's the culture

unlike Japan, SK, China, pinoys prefer to consume than produce

not a lot of businessmen here want to invest in manufacturing when importing finished products is a lot less hassle

and R&D/labor is expensive. who would want to invest money in R&D (and hope the make back the money years later) when you can make money now by importing and selling finished goods?

dito sa atin, capital just doesnt go to R&D

i'm sure there's skill here to make copies of stuff. but nobody's investing in that area

[Boy Bastos]

baluga kasi mga pinoy.... unahin muna sarili... kahit may government support pag may budget na lahat gusto kumita... o diba balugang baluga...

Eh di baluga ka rin? :D

[yapoy86]

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

[Boy Bastos]

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

Sabi nga ng mga elders, 50s-60s going up ang Pinas. Malinis ang palengke. Mga jeepney driver nakapolo at pantalon. May urban planning pa. May disiplina ang mga tao. Makikita yan sa mga vintage Phil photos. Then came martial law. Paatras pa rin hanggang ngayon.

[uls]

ya kaya naging number 1 sa CRT TV (dati) at sasakyan ang Japan dahil pinag aralan nila ang ginawa ng mga Kano

mga Koreano naman ginaya ang style ng mga Hapon

dati ko pa sinasabi walang corporation pwede ipagmalaki ang Pinas

ano? San Mig?

puro tao lang pwede ipagmalaki. Pacquiao, Pempengco etc

ang SK meron Samsung, Hyundai

pati developing country na Brazil gumagawa ng eroplano (Embraer)

ang Pinas hanggang boxer and singer lang

and a dragonboat row team

[germanycar]

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

Yeah i think so!

[ghosthunter]

Having read some national innovation systems paper, it was quite clear that what China is doing today (copying and reverse engineering technologies or "R & D") is not new. Japan, Korea and Taiwan did the same before they became an technological and economic powerhouse.

I know IPR regulations are stricter today but I also assume that Research and Duplicate is still possible.
Why are Filipinos not into this?
Are we too proud?
Are we too kind and generous not to copy someone else's work?

Are we afraid of criticisms of our own work (original or otherwise)?

I am just curious.

Honestly speaking, we do not have the equipment to reverse engineer and then mass produce modern stuff at competitive levels.

And why would a businessman would invest millions of pesos in a R&D laboratory and factory with a uncertain future when you can use the same money to import finished goods ready to sell into the local market?

[Walter]

^^^ Add to that militant labor, inconsistent economic policies (win a project now, get sued by next administration), unstable politics, etc.

[ghosthunter]

^^^ Add to that militant labor, inconsistent economic policies (win a project now, get sued by next administration), unstable politics, etc.

Yup, add all that too.

I knew someone who had a local furniture making and assembly business and one day he had a worker's strike which stopped all operations. After sometime, he decided to closed up the factory and sell off all the equipment. In the end, all the workers got laid off.

Later, he re-opened his business by importing all his stuff from China (in a semi-knocked down condition to save space in the shipping container) and just hired a few people for assembly and delivery. Less headaches (from managing dozens of unionized workers), less overheads (no big expensive machines to maintain, less space since no need for factory, less power requirements) and more profits.