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June 19th, 2012 10:13 PM #41
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June 19th, 2012 10:15 PM #42
Originally Posted by boydapa
^ gaya nyan ni idol uls parang laging nikikibaka sa kanyang mga argumento hindi nagpapatalo( mukang pareho pa kami ng pinangalingan iskwelahan neto) hehe
imagine try to put together in R n D the Dream Team of Tsikot... mga idols pasensyahan na muna ah...
unahin na natin si ob, ghosthunter, niky, uls, shadow, starex, .... etc etc...
what do you think will be the product
peace sample lang hehe
Hmmm, either Big Brother - Tsikot.com edition or good round of Jeopardy.
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June 19th, 2012 10:19 PM #43Product? .... Let me see.... Originally Posted by boydapa
^ gaya nyan ni idol uls parang laging nikikibaka sa kanyang mga argumento hindi nagpapatalo( mukang pareho pa kami ng pinangalingan iskwelahan neto) hehe
imagine try to put together in R n D the Dream Team of Tsikot... mga idols pasensyahan na muna ah...
unahin na natin si ob, ghosthunter, niky, uls, shadow, starex, .... etc etc...
what do you think will be the product
peace sample lang hehe
An animatronic robot that can drive a car very well, procrastinates about everyone it meets, runs on diesel, updates regularly on facebook and believes the earth is hollow?
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June 20th, 2012 09:56 AM #44I knew it. You built OB out of spare parts in the office... Originally Posted by ghosthunter
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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State Alchemist
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June 20th, 2012 11:23 AM #45Dati nag-sideline ako sa isang start-up company. Yung thesis nila ginawa nilang business. Medyo nahirapan nga sila dahil sa funding at konti lang yung client nila... Originally Posted by gongrhey
Pero on the other hand, may isa naman akong kaklase na nagtayo rin ng start-up company sa UP-TBI. Ginamit nilang pampondo eh yung mga naipon nila at yung napanalunan nila dahil sa RFID thesis nila. Nahirapan sila nung umpisa kasi nagbi-build-up pa lang sila ng pangalan. After 2 years, mukhang ok na yung company nila at marami na silang proyekto sa RFID.
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June 20th, 2012 11:42 AM #46tayo dami na utang pero karamihan sa bulsa napunta....
ang korea lang, yung korean won halos wala na value, kasi madami silang utang na pinampondo nila sa R & D, sinusuportahan ng government nila ang mga companies for R & D..
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June 20th, 2012 12:03 PM #47it all comes down to funding
you can have the most talented skillful creative people in the world but without funding wala mangyayari... hanggang kwentuhan lang
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June 20th, 2012 12:19 PM #48Internet to the rescue.
If you think you have an innovative invention or product but you lack funding, you can try your luck at kickstarter.com.
I'm a backer for the Pebble E-Paper Watch for iPhone and Android: Pebble: E-Paper Watch for iPhone and Android by Pebble Technology — Kickstarter
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June 20th, 2012 12:25 PM #49that's called crowd funding
wiki:
Crowd funding or crowdfunding (alternately crowd financing, equity crowdfunding, or hyper funding) describes the collective cooperation, attention and trust by people who network and pool their money and other resources together, usually via the internet, to support efforts initiated by other people or organizations.[citation needed] Crowd funding occurs for any variety of purposes,[1] from disaster relief to citizen journalism to artists seeking support from fans, to political campaigns, to funding a startup company, movie [2] or small business[3] or creating free software.
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June 20th, 2012 02:46 PM #50sa major universities sa pinas, mas ginagawang importante pa yung pag-file ng patent. it's kinda sad kasi mas kailangan yung pera na pagpopondo ng start-up. Originally Posted by uls
marami kasing mga problema na community-level na pwede ipa-research sa mga state u. ayaw lang magparesearch kasi mas ok na gawing basketball court at waiting shed yung pondo. hehehe.
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June 20th, 2012 03:15 PM #51walang kasi gusto mag sugal sa R&D
sayang pera
matapos mo pondohan ng ilan taon ang pag develop ng isang produkto kokopyahin lang ng China hehe
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June 21st, 2012 09:43 AM #52Lahat naman ng technology related stuff ay prone to reverse engineering. Instead na dyan ilagay ang pera, eh ibibili na lang ng bagong Hermes na bag. Originally Posted by uls
Cultural problem nga talaga kasi for 60 years, di man lang nag-evolve yung jeepney. Ayaw umisip ng ikabubuti tas ayaw pa maglabas ng pera. Parang sapat na yung bulok na kaisipan. LOL
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June 21st, 2012 10:05 AM #53Yan ang Filipino "pwede na yan" attitude. Basta umaandar at pwedeng pagkakitaan, kahit na 99% itim na usok lumalabas, sumusuka ng langis, coolant at krudo ang makina, kalbo mga gulong, dome light lang ang ilaw sa gabi, at kalahating dosenang bomba sa preno bago kumagat... "pwede na yan". Originally Posted by A121
Lahat naman ng technology related stuff ay prone to reverse engineering. Instead na dyan ilagay ang pera, eh ibibili na lang ng bagong Hermes na bag.
Cultural problem nga talaga kasi for 60 years, di man lang nag-evolve yung jeepney. Ayaw umisip ng ikabubuti tas ayaw pa maglabas ng pera. Parang sapat na yung bulok na kaisipan. LOL
I think that "Filipino ingenuity" is overrated and many have already forgotten what it really means.. or rather, what it should mean.Last edited by oj88; June 21st, 2012 at 10:08 AM.
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June 21st, 2012 10:18 AM #54like i said pinoys are leisure oriented, end-user consumption oriented
kita mo mga businesses dito sa Pinas -- puro malls, restos, bars, retailers
we are a nation of traders. bili-benta. hindi produce-benta
unlike other Asian economies that are goods producers for the world
money flows into their economies from selling stuff to the world
ang Pinas naman overseas labor ang source ng money flow (and service sector - BPO)
and the money doesnt get invested. it goes directly to end use consumption
asa pa tayo magkakaroon ng innovation and reverse engineering sa atin
wala naman pera napupunta sa ganyan ventureLast edited by uls; June 21st, 2012 at 10:23 AM.
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June 21st, 2012 05:53 PM #55may kakilala ako na nag-work dati sa isang malaking kumpanya ng bakal somewhere in the south. meron daw Korean na naging trainee duon several years back. pagkalipas ng mga ilang taon bumalik bilang consultant kasi nag-hire yung kumpanya ng Korean company para tingnan kung ano problema sa planta. nagulat daw yung Koreano kasi dun lang daw siya natuto tapos nung bumalik siya walang naging improvement samantalang sa kumpanya daw nila sa Korea na-improve na nila yung machineries kasi ni-reverse engineering nila. dito sa atin, basta tumatakbo at gumagana pa sige lang.
sa maraming bagay ganun tayo status quo na lang- maging sa buhay ng mahihirap tanggap na nila na ganun na sila; sa mga binabahang lugar sasabihin maliit pa ko ganyan na yan kaya wala ng naisip na solusyon, ang makalumang transportation system natin na walang improvement at marami pang iba.
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June 21st, 2012 08:20 PM #56Basic example lang yung Jeep... Originally Posted by gongrhey
Sa Japan... Mitsubishi gets underlicense from Willys to build jeep... Mitsubishi used what they learned, progresses to Pajero line.
Sa Korea... Hyundai gets underlicense from Mitsubishi to build Gen 1 Pajero/Galloper...Hyundai used what they learned and progresses to Sta Fe and Veracruz.
Sa Philippines...Sarao finds nothing wrong with the Jeepney... Jeepney pa rin... :PLast edited by Monseratto; June 21st, 2012 at 08:24 PM.
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June 21st, 2012 09:23 PM #57natumbok mo brader hehehe Originally Posted by Monseratto
regarding real R&D, mahina or halos wala sa atin yung industry-academia partnership. halos lahat ng R&D ng industry in-house.
dito sa Japan (tsismis lang hehehe), lalapit si Nissan etc sa isang professor para may ipa-research (mostly basic research lang). si professor i-reresearch yun at ang research assistant niya ay yung graduate students. ewan kung kanino ang patent pero andali ng usapan nila. kung sa atin yun, kung sinu-sino pa ang makikisawsaw.
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June 21st, 2012 09:58 PM #58tanong lang mga bro, sa palagay nyo ano ang kailangan sa atin para mag-jumpstart ang research and development / duplication?
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June 22nd, 2012 09:49 AM #59Funding, support, budget, training, etc. Originally Posted by gongrhey
In short....Money.
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June 22nd, 2012 10:21 AM #60mga Hapon kasi di iniisip ang sarili Originally Posted by fourtheboys96
pag pinoy tanong agad ng prof -- "magkano?"
tapos hihirit ng -- "sa akin ang patent. bayad kayo royalty"
di pa nag uumpisa yan ha
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