MVPMAP's PhUV feedback thread

[dprox]

... Anyway, I enjoy reading exchange of ideas in this thread. Let's all hope we can make the PhUV fly someday... Peace

Welcome, newbie!
elmoro, did you say ... the PhUV will "FLY someday"?
Well, look no further.
Masyadong malalim, mahaba at matindi ang balitaktakan sa thread na ito,
so, rest muna for 6 mins. Watch muna tayo:

Click http://www.youtube.com/v/GwWed5LN0Z0
For proper recognition, it was orly who first mentioned the word "fly" in relation to PhUV.

[oldblue]

Anyway, grabe salasalabit ang auto industry, pag umusbong PHUV at naka-establish tayo niche, magkandarapa yang mga Bioman, Pokemon at Ragnarok dito Pinas. Puede pa natin matalo Malaysia o Thailand sa laki ng market (88 million and counting. grabe Pinoy no, nagbrown-out lang, may baby kaagad) natin, second to Indonesia (120 million ata).

i think they dont base it in population but land area. we are the smallest compared to these countries you mentioned. that also explains why the US is everybody's favorite market - 3000 miles coast to coast.

smallest na nga tayo, scattered islands pa. add to that, more than 50% of the 80M population cant have a decent meal daily.

take a look at Singapore. With their economic standing, Singapore can compete against the Koreans carmakers. but they wont. now why wont they build their own flagship car brand? bec. they have limited land area and perhaps even limited mineral resources.

CBU improvement and SKD plants were opened in Sta. Rosa bec. we are rich in one particular natural resource as of the moment: labor.

[jamesvhong]

Anong Mazda po yan B2200? Yung mazda 626 namin most ng parts may tatak na Made in Philippines including Mags.

I believe kaya ng pinoy gumawa ng quality and affordable PHUV kailangan lang siguro ng collaboration sa mga may experience sa local manufacturer.

FMC asan na kaya sila?

OT.

I drive a Mazda. Made in Santa Rosa. My understanding is that, Ford and Mazda at least, do a significant amount of work in Santa Rosa.

Hinda yung "gulong at battery lang ang local." Believe it or not, in addition to brand loyalty, the "made in Santa Rosa" bit did influence my decision by a bit. Not a lot.

That correct?

BTW Indonesia has 240 Million people. Not 120 million. And probably 60% to 70% of their cars are the 1st gen Kijang, 2nd gen Kijang, 3rd gen Kijang, or Avanza. I kid you not. Wala ka halos makitang Corolla or Civic dun (sa Jakarta at least).

[orly_andico]

We have a 626 and a 3.

The 626 is made in Hiroshima, Japan, just like the Mazda6 today. I don't know what parts are locally manufactured.

The Ford Santa Rosa plant produces the Focus, Mazda3, and Tribute I believe. I don't know how much local value-add but I believe they assemble the entire vehicles locally (from the bare metal).

[jpdm]

[quote=orly_andico;837648]OT.

I drive a Mazda. Made in Santa Rosa. That correct? No. Assembled in Santa Rosa.

BTW Indonesia has 240 Million people.Yup,I stand corrected.

[hein]

......i believe dapat maging proud tau somehow, saka PROTOTYPE plang un, and ang alam ko meron mga files un (autocad) na drawings for improvement, actually di yata ko dapat mag comment d2, pero i'm one of the RND na gumawa nyan, pero patapos na nung nag start ako dun, nakikita ko ung effort ng RND and I'M SO PROUD OF IT.

This is a VOLVO XC60 PROTOTYPE that was presented in Bangkok last May. The Volvo people wanted to show off to their peers in the "DETROIT OF ASIA" that they are READY and SERIOUS to take on BMW and MERCEDES.

The workmanship was IMPECCABLE. The paint, we were told, had 9 layers of clearcoat. The gaps were razor-thin yet precise. The fit and finish was so PERFECT that even our Japanese co-employees were impressed. They couldn't stop nodding the whole time they were looking at this SUV. Up close, it looked more like a spaceship than a car.

The Swedes were obviously watching our reactions because I know at the back of their minds that they sorely want this to be released in the near future.

A PROTOTYPE should show the BEST that you can do, not your SHORTCOMINGS.

Wulfrealms, hindi pwede yung "TEKA MUNA, TEKA MUNA. INAYOS NA NAMIN YUNG MALI!!!" Ika nga, we don't need EXCUSES.

The PHUV merely showed the world that we do not have any QUALITY CONTROL at all. That's PATHETIC.

[jpdm]

..... Volvo people wanted to show off to their peers in the "DETROIT OF ASIA"...... that they are READY and SERIOUS to take on BMW and MERCEDES...The fit and finish was so PERFECT that even our Japanese co-employees were impressed. They couldn't stop nodding the whole time they were looking at this SUV. Up close, it looked more like a spaceship than a car.A PROTOTYPE should show the BEST that you can do, not your SHORTCOMINGS.The PHUV merely showed the world that we do not have any QUALITY CONTROL at all. That's PATHETIC.

Hein, pardon me. But the problem with you is that you always make general (mother) statements.

First, kinuhanan mo lang ng pictures for 20 minutes yun PHUV, kinundena mo na buong PHUV at ang PHUV project dahil sa mga kakulangan nito. How about its other merits? I agree with you, pangit itsura. Pero,nasubukan mo na ba performance? naipasada mo na ba?

Ikalawa, yung tunnel sa Edsa, sabi mo oks sa Pinoy na katulad ko yung dumi dun? I beg to disagree. If we have the resources, linis yan.Look at Marikina.
Tsaka wag mong kumpara sa New Zealand ang PInas, iba ang situation natin. Biro mo 4 million (Phils: 86 million; Metro Manila: 14 million)lang sila in a country (bless with plenty of natural resources) almost the size of the Philippines. Aba e talagang maraming iiikot at pagkukunan ng resources para mapagawa yung tunnel na yun. Take note British subjects nakatira dun. Konti lang Maori. Given na advantages na yun.

Now, sabihin mo THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY QUALITY CONTROL. Last year, we exported close to USD 46 billion. MVPMAP supplied the Japanese dominated CAMPI with OEMs. Walang quality control?

You have condemned the nation (because you used the world we)because of that haphazardly built PHUV model? Teka, tanong ko lang, base on all your posts, do you also lambasts the PHUV in front of you Japanese co-employees? If you do, Thanks in behalf of the pinoys working for MVPMAP.

Hein, here in your post, you are comparing the lowly PHUV (without government, CAMPI support) with your fave Volvos, BMWs and Mercedes, specially the way Volvo came up with a prototype. Diyos ko, saan kukuha ng milyones ang MVPMAP pang concept car? Pambili nga spray paint para sa fave mo na kambyo at sandpaper para sa pinto nuong PHUV wala nga e. Tsaka, di ba kaya humihingi ng tulong MVPMAP kasi nga at 40% capacity na lang sila at nanganganib na mag-collapse ang industriya.

Symbolic (figurative) na nga lang yung PHUV prototype, pero, katulad mo at ang ibang Tsikoteers naniniwala na dapat talagang ayusin yung prototype/model para na rin maging viable ang project at di kahiya-hiya sa ibang bansa.

Isa pa, the PHUV project does not have any pretensions to compete with any of the models sold by CAMPI in the PHilippines. IT IS INTENDED TO REPLACE THE SUVic MARKET AS WELL AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE JEEPNEY PUV (poise to refleet anytime now)--and by using brand new parts will increase the productivity of our PUV industry, revive the domestic auto industry (30,000-60,000 units), and decrease carbon emission.

its given, working for a multinational and exposure to their best practice will definitely increase you sophistication ( you taste for quality) and I really admire that.

But, I feel bad because somebody (proponents of the PHUV projects, with their shortcomings notwithstanding) is trying hard to save an industry, save thousands of jobs and develop a true local auto manufacturing industry, nanganganib na pumalpak sa tindi ng brickbats na nakukuha lalo na sa IYO.

Ikokondena mo pa sarili mong lahi sa mga mother statements mo.

[mazdamazda]

IMO - there's a lot of off topic posts already here.

Kindly limit your opinions to the feedback directly to the MVPMAP PHUV.

There's no point in trying to compare this with Volvo or other brands. Please don't post also here your sketches for another PHUV (unless it is for the improvemen tof the current MVPMAP PHUV) - that belongs to the Tsikot PHUV thread.

[elmoro]

[quote=dprox;837689]Welcome, newbie!
elmoro, did you say ... the PhUV will "FLY someday"?
Well, look no further.
Masyadong malalim, mahaba at matindi ang balitaktakan sa thread na ito,
so, rest muna for 6 mins. Watch muna tayo:

Thanks for the welcome DProx...... What I mean by "Fly someday" is not literal. Fly meaning "umangat kahit kunti"... so that magkaroon ng market followers... ika nga. Let the idea or concept fly to reality... Peace....

[niky]

I took this from Philippine Tribune. Its horrible. I hope we can still rally people to support the up and coming Tsikot PHUV, an improved MVPMAP PHUV and even the newly-improved CHOK. These are the hope of reviving our dying motor industry. The lack of government support resulted to this:

Bike maker Norkis closes due to flood of imports 06/18/2007
The entry of cheap motorbikes has forced one of the local pioneers to cease operations after the Cebu City-based Norkis Trading Co. (NTC) filed a notice to stop production and assembly operations of Yamaha motorcycles before the Department of Labor and Employment (DoLE).
NTC managing head for human resources management and development Charito Calumpang informed DoLE 7 Director Elias Cayanong that about 364 permanent executives and rank-and-file employees were offered early retirement packages.

More army of unemployed in our country. Di pa kasama dito yung indirectly unemployed. More economic crimes in the area?

I've been out, but I have to comment on this (kahit off-topic... pasensiya na).

It's really sad what happened to Norkis's production facilities. And it's a shame that these "stylish" Chinese bikes have made such a big dent in Norkis's sales, despite their inferior engineering and durability.

There's a point that dprox made (I think it was him... medyo malayo na yung post) that relates this to the MVPMAP PhUV. The average buyer buys based on looks... especially in the entry-level market, and especially at these prices. That's something the MVPMAP team should have strived to achieve.

Like I've said, previously. Looks, or the lack thereof, will dictate whether you'll get customers or not, regardless of price. Even if you've got a killer product on your hands (which they don't, not yet), if people don't walk in the door, you're not selling any.

[wulfrealms]

i'm just saying na ini-improve un. lahat naman siguro ganun, may purpose din namn siguro ung pag labas ng prototype para malaman ung mga comments ng mga tao. hinde namn na pag nag labas ka ng prototype eh ganun na un pag binenta, kahit sa mga softwares may mga beta version sila. di naman perpekto ang tao para gumawa ng walang mali. wala ko idea kung ano gusto ng mga pinoy na sasakyan. pero maganda ung volvo na sinasabi mo.

[hein]

Yung tunnel sa Edsa, sabi mo oks sa Pinoy na katulad ko yung dumi dun? I beg to disagree. If we have the RESOURCES, linis yan.Look at Marikina.

Jpdm, FLAWED naman ang argument mo. KULANG sa resources? Teka, sinong mas mayaman, MARIKINA o MAKATI? Baka iba yung kulang.


Tunnel in the tiny NETHERLANDS. Bakit sila PULIDO at MALINIS?

jpdm, tell me how come small countries like NETHERLANDS and NZ can do better than 86 million strong country like the PHILIPPINES? Ano ang KULANG?

[hein]

Pambili nga SPRAY PAINT para sa fave mo na KAMBYO at SANDPAPER para sa PINTO nuong PHUV wala nga e.

jpdm, another FLAWED argument. The MVPMAP was serving WINE and FINE FOOD at the launch. Spray paint and sandpaper = just P120 pesos. You should stop justifying the SHODDY WORKMANSHIP of the PHUV.

I posted my experience concerning the VOLVO XC60 prototype NOT to compare that SUV to our PHUV. I know it is unfair to do that.

I merely wanted the people here to realize that when you put out your vehicle on display, make sure that your product is FLAWLESS. INDUSTRY PRACTICE na yan since WWII. All quality auto manufacturers adhere to this PERFECTION kasi pagtatawanan ka pag sablay ka sa QUALITY.

Imagine, the PRESIDENT and foreign dignitaries come to visit the PHUV and naka-tiwangwang ang mga KALAWANG. You should have seen the smirk on GMA's face when she saw the rusty gearshift. Pati siya NAHIYA.

As if the MVPMAP people have never been to product launches before. If the vehicle displayed by the Japanese or Americans were as defective as the PHUV, the employees concerned would have been given their walking papers! PRONTO!!!

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[oldblue]

Jpdm, FLAWED naman ang argument mo. KULANG sa resources? Teka, sinong mas mayaman, MARIKINA o MAKATI? Baka iba yung kulang.


Tunnel in the tiny NETHERLANDS. Bakit sila PULIDO at MALINIS?

jpdm, tell me how come small countries like NETHERLANDS and NZ can do better than 86 million strong country like the PHILIPPINES? Ano ang KULANG?

alam ko sagot dyan ser. kasi mas madami dumadaan sa tunnels na tin kaya ambilis dumumi at madilapidated.

di tulad sa kanila kokonte hehehe

[jpdm]

[quote=hein;838640]Jpdm, FLAWED naman ang argument mo. KULANG sa resources? Teka, sinong mas mayaman, MARIKINA o MAKATI? Baka iba yung kulang.


Tunnel in the tiny NETHERLANDS. Bakit sila MALINIS at MALIWANAG?

jpdm, how come a small country of 16 million can do better than 86 million strong country like the PHILIPPINES?

Flawed? You did not get my point.

First, I just used Marikina as an example to point out that many Filipinos like me--- and Mrs. Fernando (the mayor of Marikina) do not tolerate dirty roads or environs even with no help coming from the national government. My understanding is that EDSA is a national road, thus it is under the jurisdiction of the DPWH/MMDA. Ayun, ala nga pera dahil limited ang budget na binigay ng DBM.

Im not comparing the revenues nor the resources of Marikina and Makati.Tsaka malaki man revenues ng alin man dyan sa dalawa (obvious naman ang sagot--Makati)remit din nila yan sa NG, tapos bigyan nalang sila IRA.

Bakit di mo ba alam na walang pera government (NG) natin, kaya kalye lang di mapalinis para madaanan ng soon to be MVPMAP at Tsikot PHUV?

Kaya yung PHUV project to save thousands of jobs, was initiated by the private sector without government support. It should be noted that the government has the responsibility to take care of all local industries especially vital industries (industrial sector-auto manufacturing-- MVPMAP, CAMPI etc.; and services- transportation--PUV.) Ang reklamo pa nga ng local and foreign chambers (source ng FDIs-Foreign Direct Investments) ay ang poor infrastructures sa Pinas dahil na rin sa lack of resources. We even have to borrow money again from the WB to rehabilitate public infrastructures (i.e. we borrowed money from China and Korea to rehabilitate the PNR; Asian Investors for SLEX etc.)

Read the news recently, bad trip na naman sa atin mga international credit rating institutions,why? 5 months pa lang ng 2007, mga 41 Billion na budget deficit. So ano gawin ng government? AS USUAL, UUTANG NA NAMAN SA 5-6 (IMF, WB, EU, KOREA ETC.). KAYA 4 Trillion pesos---foreign and domestic loans--- ang AGREGATE NA UTANG Ng PINAS as of today.

Whew, hirap isipin! kaya walang resources?ALA TALAGA!

Second, you should have not taken seriously my statement about their incapacity to buy spray paint and sand paper. Nagbanggit ka pa ng presyo (120 pesos) at ikinumpara sa ginastos nila sa pinainom nilang alak sa launch(err..hmm..350 pesos?Baka nga dun napunta yung pambili ng pintura..). Ikaw naman......

Lastly, Ayan ka naman Hein, sa sobrang bad trip mo sa PHUV prototype dahil sa kalawang ng pinto, masamang upholstery, cheap na ilaw etc., ikumpara mo naman ang Pinas sa THe Netherlands.

I will answer your inquiry. First, She is a European colonial power and now a member of the EU and the Benelux countries ( industrialized, rich and prosperous Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg). In our history, she even invaded the Philippines but failed. although, she got the Netherlands East Indies instead (Indonesia today).

Kakapanganak pa nga lang ni RIzal (1861?), industrialized na ang the Netherlands e.

So walang comparison.Malaki lang population natin, period. Pero di tayo kasing yaman nila.

Flemish, Dutch, Anglo-Saxons (UK, Australia, New Zealand, US) Swedes, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thai--they have one thing in common---ThEY ARE NATIONALISTS. They believe in their capabilities, they always stand united, THE ULTIMATE GOOD for them IS to SERVE THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL INTERESTS. And they will do anything for their country no matter what (watch Iwo Jima).

At hindi tayo yayaman if mismong kababayan natin will keep on putting down efforts by fellow Filipinos to uplift in any manner our dying economy such as our terminally ill, import-dependent auto industry.

No matter what you say, the PHUV will live, because there will be Filipinos out there like me, who think that we have the capability, and if given a chance, can make our country at par with these prosperous nations.

Hein, pardon me, but please dont give me that thought that you are a Japanese masquerading as a Filipino.

[jpdm]

[quote=hein;838644]jpdm, another FLAWED argument. You should stop justifying the SHODDY WORKMANSHIP of the PHUV.

P.S.

Hein, ikaw ang may FLAWED AT SHODDY arguments e. Saan mo ba hinugot yung idea na I'm justifying the SHODDY WORKMANSHIP of the PHUV prototype? Pinupulaan ko nga e.Dapat nga magkaroon nga ng improvement e. Minadale nga e. Pangit nga e. Gorilya nga itsura e. ang kulit mo.

Ang dinidepensahan ko, FOR CRYING OUT LOuD AY ANG PHUV PROJECT. Ulitin ko P-H-U-V P-R-O-J-E-C-T at hindi ANG SHODDY PHUV P-R-O-T-O-T-Y-P-E. Di ba, magkaiba spelling yan?

Dugo na ilong ng MVPMAP sa iyo pati kaming nananahimik na Pinoy dinugo na rin sa mga comparison mo. Naghihintay nga ng mas improved na version e. Tapos kung kani-kaninong bansa mo pa ikinukumpara PInas. pati exports natin nanganganib dahil sa iyo kasi sabi mo walang quality control dito Pinas.

YOU SHOULD STOP YOUR SHODDY TREATMENT OF THE PHUV PROJECT.

[drey]

Guys this is already OFF-TOPIC

Please be aware that this is only for positive and negative comments regarding the MVPMAP PhUV so that we can improve it. We are here to post to speak out what is needed to be done to improve the vehicle and not go shout that they are hopeless.

Hein: You can always open a new thread for your remorse towards (?) maybe the PhUV where you can do anything you want and accept all healthy arguments from other members. Marikina, Makati, EDSA are irrelevant already...

Again you can create a new thread entitled, "The flaws of the MVPMAP PhUV" or "Why shouldn't I buy a PhUV?". Once again, this is a democratic country and this is owned by Filipino's... You can create any title you want.

I wanna make it as a please...

-drey

[ogpro]

[quote=jpdm;838712]

J
Flemish, Dutch, Anglo-Saxons (UK, Australia, New Zealand, US) Swedes, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thai--they have one thing in common---ThEY ARE NATIONALISTS. They believe in their capabilities, they always stand united, THE ULTIMATE GOOD for them IS to SERVE THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL INTERESTS. And they will do anything for their country no matter what (watch Iwo Jima).

At hindi tayo yayaman if mismong kababayan natin will keep on putting down efforts by fellow Filipinos to uplift in any manner our dying economy such as our terminally ill, import-dependent auto industry.

No matter what you say, the PHUV will live, because there will be Filipinos out there like me, who think that we have the capability, and if given a chance, can make our country at par with these prosperous nations.

Not to add fuel to the fire jdpm, but I think you may have your ideas mixed up. I totally understand your need to fan the flames of nationalism, hell, I would be right next to you waving the flag if I thought it had any hope. The thing is, you have said before that you're an advocate, someone trying to forward the cause of the filipino people, right? I think there are better avenues to do that, this fledgeling mvpmap project and even the tsikot phuv project need more than words to get off the ground. It needs FUNDING and it needs support. It will get neither looking the way it does. Contrary to what you say that the phuv will live no matter what, I think it would need a LOT to do so. You're swimming upstream against a generations old tide of colonialist mentality. Filipinos LOVE imported goods, filipinos love everything foreign, they're NOT nationalists, at least they haven't been for a while. You're not going to change that direction with one car. Sheesh, the world famous tourist attraction jeepney couldn't do it, and they're all over the metro like ants on rubbish. You will have to come out with a product that can turn their heads and make them want to buy local. This mvpmap phuv isn't turning anyone's head. Just look at the ratio of negative to positive comments here. I'm sorry but we should NOT be proud of this. Our latest source of national "pride" was an uneducated, gullible boxer (violence anyone?), and look at what that got us. What makes you think rallying behind a product that reeks of miscommunication, misjudgements, and underfunding will do? It will only show the extent of what the filipino industrial system will go through for their own countrymen: Give us CRAP while making the best for foreigners. Please show me something better to be proud of. Please. Back to the drawing board mvpmap, and please spend some money to hire a couple of skilled engineer/designers. We have them, YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK.

Jdpm, You're barking up the wrong tree brother, and I do feel that you're giving too much pressure on the tsikot phuv team by putting the weight of nationalism on their shoulders. They just need to create a a good, well thought out, dependable, AND affordable product. That's it. It should speak for itself. If it does what its supposed to do and looks decently good while doing it, I'll be the first in line to buy one. Please don't pin the hopes of a nationalistic movement on it, it's just a vehicle.

What you need is the next Jose Rizal.

While I don't totally support Hein in his barrage of negative comments, he is rubbing in our face something we are prone to do. Shortchange ourselves. I guess someone has to do it. It's his way of saying: "Mahiya naman kayo..." Intstead of taking it as input and attempting to fix it, You reacted the way most filipinos do when fault is called, defensively, even hinting that he's not filipino. Dude, that's pretty immature.

hein, kaw naman, I think we all understand your reaction to this project, totally. Nahihiya din ako. Pero, tama na, we get it. If you've got something positive to say, I'd love to hear it.

[rmb]

kahit na anong forum,ang pilipino talaga sobra diskusyon,

guys,i have worked with these nationalities.korean,malaysian,
thai.i tell you their level of nationalism is very high compared to filipinos
look,where are they now?japanese cars were of very poor quality
in the 60's kumpara sa west.sa palagay nyo kaya makaka survive
ang mga iyan kung hindi tinangkilik ng mga japanese ang produkto
nila.please give phuv a chance.