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    #81
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    7138 the solution I am providing is knowledge. No product endorsements whatsoever.

    lowslowbenz seems to have been irked when I said you don't really need to use distilled water. The simplest choice is that you don't use hard water and complement it with a coolant. That minimizes deposits. Done.

    uls is just upset with himself all the time.
    Sorry for this laymans question, paano malalaman kung yung tubig is hard or not.?

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    #82
    Pa laboratory exam natin ang kalidad ng ating tubig sa Maynilad or Manila Water accredited testing agency. Kung safe ba ito sa radiator.

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    #83
    Quote Originally Posted by lowslowbenz View Post
    SM distilled water lang nilalagay ko sa mga Benz. And I flush it every 6 months, I don't use coolant.

    Ni minsan, hindi ako nag-overheat, tirik ang araw tanghaling tapat sa Coastal, sa Aguinaldo, sa Baclaran, sa EDSA, sa Makati.
    Then good for you. Pure water is a good conductor of heat, glycol diminishes its thermal capacity.

    Thing is you flush your system every 6 months. How does the water look like then?

    It isn't how water per se affect your radiator's cooling capacity, but its reliability. Remember the problem you're incurring here is that water alone will boil very quickly. Your linings are going to be more vulnerable to cavitation and corrosion.
    Last edited by EVO-V; December 3rd, 2012 at 06:17 PM.

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    #84
    Quote Originally Posted by 2rm View Post
    Sorry for this laymans question, paano malalaman kung yung tubig is hard or not.?
    Through laboratory testing.

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    #85
    Quote Originally Posted by 2rm View Post
    Sorry for this laymans question, paano malalaman kung yung tubig is hard or not.?
    Simplest test is to see how well it suds.

    Hard water doesn't produce as much suds. (Hindi bumubula)

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    #86
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    7138 the solution I am providing is knowledge. No product endorsements whatsoever.

    lowslowbenz seems to have been irked when I said you don't really need to use distilled water. The simplest choice is that you don't use hard water and complement it with a coolant. That minimizes deposits. Done.

    uls is just upset with himself all the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by 2rm View Post
    Sorry for this laymans question, paano malalaman kung yung tubig is hard or not.?

    got the same question.. ice nasa utak ko.

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    #87
    Quote Originally Posted by stickers View Post
    got the same question.. ice nasa utak ko.
    When you shower and the water in your location is hard, you'd notice that when you lather soap or shampoo, they don't foam as much and do not wash off as easily.

    You would also notice that your stainless appliances, say an electric kettle, will have stains.

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    #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    Pa laboratory exam natin ang kalidad ng ating tubig sa Maynilad or Manila Water accredited testing agency. Kung safe ba ito sa radiator.
    You can actually call them to test the water in your locality but I doubt they'd entertain you for those reasons.

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    #89
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    Simplest test is to see how well it suds.

    Hard water doesn't produce as much suds. (Hindi bumubula)
    Is it safe to say na yung mga purified water na nabibili per gallon at distilled water ay hindi hard water?

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    pag ang GTOil naglabas ng coolant......


    panis lahat ng nilalagay niyo sa radiator

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rm View Post
    Is it safe to say na yung mga purified water na nabibili per gallon at distilled water ay hindi hard water?
    If the place where you bought from treats their source by softening and filtration then yes.
    Last edited by EVO-V; December 3rd, 2012 at 06:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    Pa laboratory exam natin ang kalidad ng ating tubig sa Maynilad or Manila Water accredited testing agency. Kung safe ba ito sa radiator.
    why not?

    dito sa Pinas mas concerned tayo sa kalusugan ng radiator kesa sa kalusugan ng tao
    Last edited by uls; December 3rd, 2012 at 06:33 PM. Reason: wala lang

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    #93
    Quote Originally Posted by 2rm View Post
    Is it safe to say na yung mga purified water na nabibili per gallon at distilled water ay hindi hard water?
    Bro pag distilled water like yung sa mga naka-bottle sa stores (wilkins,Etc) hindi hard water yun kase "pure H2O"...
    walang ibang nasa water kung hindi molecules ng water na H2O..hehehe...

    yung binibili mo for your house sa mga refilling stations, soft water na din ata yun, kase dumaan na yun sa reverse osmosis...

    pag nag buhos ka tubig from maynilad na source/gripo, Pag natuyo meh makikita ka circles na parang white sa paint, yun yun mga minerals na naiwan after the H2O evaporated...

    so pag sa radiator yun nilagay at uminit na kung saan saan didikit yung mga minerals at salts... tapos overtime maipon at pwede makabara at reduce cooling, or worse rust...

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    #94
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    why not?

    dito sa Pinas mas concerned tayo sa radiator ng sasakyan kesa sa kalusugan ng tao
    You have problems. You're unnecessarily bumping up the threads when people have legitimate questions they want answered.

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    #95
    What type is your water? The Water Quality Association of the United States defines hard water as having dissolved mineral hardness of 1 GPG (grain per gallon) or more. Here is a helpful table to show the hardness of water: (Chemistry of Hard and Soft Water)

    Soft Water- less than 1 gpg
    Slightly Hard- 1-3.5 gpg
    Moderately Hard- 3.5-7 gpg
    Very Hard- 7-10 gpg
    Extremely Hard- over 10 gpg

    water from faucet--- hard water
    water from refilling stations---soft
    water from rain( rain sa province hindi sa urban area)---soft
    water from distillation---soft
    water from poso/wells----hard

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    #96
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    What type is your water? The Water Quality Association of the United States defines hard water as having dissolved mineral hardness of 1 GPG (grain per gallon) or more. Here is a helpful table to show the hardness of water: (Chemistry of Hard and Soft Water)

    Soft Water- less than 1 gpg
    Slightly Hard- 1-3.5 gpg
    Moderately Hard- 3.5-7 gpg
    Very Hard- 7-10 gpg
    Extremely Hard- over 10 gpg

    water from faucet--- hard water
    water from refilling stations---soft
    water from rain( rain sa province hindi sa urban area)---soft
    water from distillation---soft
    water from poso/wells----hard
    Sa dinadami ng binasa ko ito pa maaalala ko ng husto.

    BTT: I use distilled water from local refilling station & caltex poison long life coolant.

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    #97
    Quote Originally Posted by miko101130 View Post
    What type is your water? The Water Quality Association of the United States defines hard water as having dissolved mineral hardness of 1 GPG (grain per gallon) or more. Here is a helpful table to show the hardness of water: (Chemistry of Hard and Soft Water)

    Soft Water- less than 1 gpg
    Slightly Hard- 1-3.5 gpg
    Moderately Hard- 3.5-7 gpg
    Very Hard- 7-10 gpg
    Extremely Hard- over 10 gpg

    water from faucet--- hard water
    water from refilling stations---soft
    water from rain( rain sa province hindi sa urban area)---soft
    water from distillation---soft
    water from poso/wells----hard
    Water from faucets vary in hardness depending on location. But this is pretty much spot on as a rule of thumb.

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    #98
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    why not?

    dito sa Pinas mas concerned tayo sa kalusugan ng radiator kesa sa kalusugan ng tao
    The tragedy of it all is that... there is truth in this statement.

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    #99
    The tragedy of it all is that... there is truth in this statement.
    If it was said by someone who has genuine sympathy for people it would have more credence.

    Then again here's a bit of an argument against frequent coolant changes: what you discard goes into the environment.

    If we did care well enough for our environment and health we'd take the time to know what we are doing right and what we need to improve on. The problem with ranting is that it gets nowhere.
    Last edited by EVO-V; December 3rd, 2012 at 07:35 PM.

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    #100
    Quote Originally Posted by EVO-V View Post
    Your distilled water does nothing, it is a placebo at best in most applications, unless you're comparing it with ground water.
    Sir clarification lang, Kung yung distilled water is considered soft water, What do you mean sa statement above? Thanks!

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