Replacing CFC Aircons with HFC-134A [Merged]

[ILuvDetailing]

Balita ko rin marami na nagrereklamo.

Public transport groups? I won't be surprised.

[zechs]

so ano ang mga kailangan palitan to change from R12 to R134? we've got two pre-1999 cars here...

[wrcastro_ph]

ano po ang mga lists ng cars na 96 model pataas pero hindi pa naka R134a? meron pa po bang R12 ng mga ganyang year models?

[ravelcop]

yeah, what are the A/C parts na kelangan palitan to upgrade to r134a?

[BlueBimmer]

eto lang masabi ko..'yeah right!' haha nung nagcmula emission testing grabe strict pero ngaun di na pnapasok sa exhaust minsan at may magic results agad! hahaha i foresee ganyan din mangyari dto hehe

[wrcastro_ph]

yung 95 galant and lancel EL po ba ay naka 134a na?

[BoEinG_747]

Hindi na irerehistro ng Land Transportation Office (LTO) ang mga sasakyang ginawa mula 1999 hanggang sa kasalukuyan kung ang air conditioning systems ng mga ito ay gumagamit ng chlorofluorocarbons (CFC) simula sa susunod na taon.
Ayon sa mga awtoridad, kinukunsidera nila ang CFC o ‘freon’ na isang ozone-depleting substance sapagkat, ayon sa kanila, ang bawat chlorine atom na lumalabas mula sa compound sa sandaling umabot na sa stratosphere ay sumisira ng hanggang 100,000 ozone molecules na bumubuo sa ozone layer.

Ang layer na ito ang bumabara sa ultraviolet rays ng araw sa pag-abot sa mundo, na humahadlang sa environmental at health consequences.
“These are among measures we will undertake to ensure phase-out in the country of CFC by 2010,” paliwanag ni Elvira Pausing, head ng National CFC Phase-out Plan (NCPP) Project Management Unit sa ilalim ng Philippine Ozone Desk ng Department of Environment and Natural Resources-Environment Management Bureau (DENR-EMB).

Ang NCPP ay isang strategy na kinapapalooban ng policy and regulatory interventions, investment and non-investment activities upang maalis ang paggamit ng CFC sa buong bansa.

Binigyang-diin ni Pausing na ang ganitong hakbang ay kaalinsabay sa Montreal Protocol’s objective sa tuluyang pag-alis ng nakakasirang CFC sa ozone layer.
“So vehicle owners must switch to air conditioning system using hydrofluorocarbon (HFC) instead for LTO to register their vehicles,” dagdag pa niya. Ang HFC, ayon kay Pausing, ay hindi nakakasira sa ozone layer.

Sinabi pa ni Pausing na ang EMB at LTO ang nagkakapit-kamay upang mai-promote ang HFC-based aircon systems dahil kahit na nagbago ang vehicle manufacturers sa substance na ito mula pa noong 1994, marami pang vehicle owners ang mas ginugustong mai-convert ang aircon systems sa CFC-based system.
“This is mainly because CFC material service shops use when repairing such system is over three times cheaper than HFC,” esplika niya.

[BlueBimmer]

uh huh ang tanong dyan tatagal ba implementation nyan, e emissions testing nga puro peke na e hahaha

[joem]

OT ito.. ang a/c ba sa mga bahay natin CFC ba?

[BoEinG_747]

OT ito.. ang a/c ba sa mga bahay natin CFC ba?

IMO...meron kami nagamit na old model na ACU ...
CFC pa ang gamit ..
ewan ko lang ngayon baka HFC na

[buknoy2002]

ano ba mas effective r12 o r134

[Benji_DCP]

IMO, if the government wants to abide by the Montreal Protocol, then it must focus on banning the importation of R12 refrigerants and allowing for lower or no taxes on the R134A. This would significantly raise the cost for maintaining R12 systems, forcing people to migrate to R134A. At current prices, maintaining R12 aircon systems is still much cheaper than R134A.

[theveed]

Mga dudes, pinost na po ni Zeagle, the compressor itself doesn't need to be replaced.

Tama si Otep.

[ss3wiper]

I don't known whos to blame for this misunderstanding, if the reporters or the LTO. they show their ignorance of what they are saying. The airconditioning industries are very well ahead of this Montreal protocol specially in automotive. In the Phil, car makers use already R 134a since 1994 and yet the govt do not know that. They will not allow the 1999 model and below to be register, that's will be again a another source of corruption and big hazzle to car owners. I ageed with OTEP that the best time to switch from R12 to R134a is when your A/C is due to for maintenance or repair problem, not just because to get your car registered

[pitbullz]

nalalagyan yan!


anyways. i had mang mario fill my aircon w r134 already on a r12 system. pwede daw. it works....so far

[impulzz]

yung dalawang hi-ace ko na '94 model 134 na gamit stock from toyota... bobo talga LTO... gagawa talaga ng makukurakot... kainis

[orly_andico]

just talked to mang mario.
according to him, all you need to replace is the dryer and the compressor oil. mga 2000 daw.

[buknoy2002]

mr orly,

wat car po yan P2000 ang estimate? or it true to all cars

[orly_andico]

well i was specifically asking about a mazda 323 BG (gen 1 or "box type") although he specifically said:

1) "guni-guni" lang daw ang R-134 requirement ng LTO;
2) basically what is replaced in the conversion is the dryer valve only; the R-12 compressor is used.

he also denied that the cooling efficiency is much reduced.

i suspect it is, since it uses the same old piping, evaporator, condenser, compressor... but this is mang mario. i'm inclined to believe him. besides it's a cheap fix if you're really eco-conscious.

[mr._bator]

How much would it cost me to convert from R12 to R134a.

do i need to replace every single parts? Compressor, evaporator, condenser?