Replacing CFC Aircons with HFC-134A [Merged]

[johnart]

Was just at LTO mandaluyong this morning to register my car and I saw a leaflet that requires your car aircon to be using R134a. If your car uses R12 you have until 2005 to convert or else you won't be able to register your car. Hay buhay starting with EWD which is good for safety, next emission testing for clean environment and now aircon for the ozone.

Their objective is to be get rid of the ozone depleting freon by 2010.

[pissword]

ano po ang R12 and R134a? yung mga bagong cars ano po ang gamit?

[johnart]

sir sa alam ko po all brand new vehicles sold since 1994 used R134a. Only older vehicles are affected by this.

[artpogi]

I think cars starting at mid-90's have already R134a's as standard, I could be wrong though.

Don't know about early 90's (90-92) kung R134a na sila.

[OTEP]

R-12 ay Freon. Ito yung ginagamit sa mga aircon noong araw.

R134a ay Ozone friendly refridgerant. Lahat ng bagong sasakyan, ito na ang gamit.

Sa U.S., madaming retrofit kits na binebenta. Kaso madami ding panget ang quality.

[sauman]

ganun na ba? may isa pa kaming sasakyan na R12 (92-93 corolla)ang ginagamit na freon. Compressor lang ba ang kailangang palitan dito?

[sturbo]

yung R134a ba yung mas mahal?
will the LTO personnel be able to distinguish by just occular inspection of the compressor?

[johnart]

The way I understood its another testing like emission testing. Panibagong gastos.

R134a is more expensive than R12 because of its environment friendly gases

[OTEP]

I don't know how they will distinguish it. On most cars, only a yellow tag identifies R134a.

Sa U.S., hindi interchangeable ang R12 repair equipment sa R134a equipment (to avoid cross contamination). Iba ang size at thread ng mga fittings.

You will also need a stronger compressor since R134a is not as effecient as R12 in cooling.

[pajerokid]

Iba yung fittings for R134a. Way bigger than those used for Freon.

[frt]

Haay extra gastos nanaman...buti nalang may taga lakad :D

[badkuk]

what would be involved in converting from R12 to R134? magkano damage?


dunno how they're gonna test it though...kung talagang intention mong manloko e pwede mo iload ng R134 , let them inspect it, flush it out, tapos karga mo uli ng R12...right?

[ian_rex]

the next thing that should be required is the three-way catalytic converters. sa pagkaka-alam ko, for gas engines lang ito e. paano nga pala sa diesel?

[1D4LV]

gobyerno talaga natin, di na nauubusan ng raket....

sus!

[baiskee]

Originally posted by happy_gilmore
gobyerno talaga natin, di na nauubusan ng raket....

sus!

MISMO! yung smoke emition nga eh na-implement na pero bakit dami pa ring smoke belcher na nakarehistro pa complete with stickers!

kapal talaga ng gobyerno dito..harap-harapan mangurakot.:fire: :fire: :mad: :mad:

[ssaloon]

syet... macheck nga kung anong type ng aircon ko...

[rukawa]

ibig sabihin lahat ng jeep at bus na nakikita ko na parang uling na sa itim ang usok e.. e.... environment friendly sila?

[benchph1]

miko, siguradong r134a ang aircon system mo wag kang mag-alala. :D

sino kayang hunghang ang naka-isip nito. sigurado abangan nyo sa tabi ng mga LTO branches me nagsusulputang mga aircon shops. Parang dati nung na-implement ang emission testing aba parang kabuteng nagsulputan ang mga emission testing centers.

[revoGSX]

sana man lang eh additional fee na lang pag hindi R134a ang gamit..

baka naman pwede sabihin sa LTO na walang aircon car . i-disconnect mo na lang mga wires ..hehe

[boybi]

Originally posted by ian_rex
the next thing that should be required is the three-way catalytic converters. sa pagkaka-alam ko, for gas engines lang ito e. paano nga pala sa diesel?

yung diesel trooper meron catalytic converter.