Those pesky U-turn flyovers at C5 ...

[Yoda]

I've said this before and my opinion hasn't changed through the years. These u-turns DO work, surprisingly enough, BUT not in all the places they were deployed to AND at the expense of safety.

Not worth the tradeoff for me.

[jrebong0]

Happy Easter to everyone!
It will be best if we limit the discussion with the C5 twin u-turn and not include all the MMDA u turns around the Metro.
What I am really afraid of is if the C5 u turn doesn't meet its purpose.
Removing it will take much much longer than building it.
In case magkaroon ng MRT in the future sa C5 the Uturn will be a problem. Just a foresight.

Ano kasi, that is in reply to these posts

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the elevated U-turns generate more traffic rather than alleviate it.

-turn slots, and i don't mean just the ones in c5, don't help ease traffic. in fact, they do the exact opposite - cause heavy build-up. worse, the build-up affects not just one but both directions - where the u-turning vehicles are coming from and going to.

Me contention na hindi daw nawo-work ung u-turns when in fact, kung titingnan mo yung mga nangyari sa ibang lugar.. e nagwo-work nga. No offense meant pero, its not`a fact` that they cause traffic. Proof na nga itong mga ibat ibang lugar na merong u-turn. Im old enough to remember how bad it is before those u-turns came into existence.

Isa pa, we use c5 everyday and nung natapos ung unang u-turn slot. Gumaan talaga.. A lot of people have posted here too.. na gumaan talaga..

Now, as to whether mas maganda na clover-leaf ang ilagay.. ibang usapan. baka nga mas maganda un.. pero, kung ang paguusapan lang e kung nakatulong ba tlaga sa traffic.. e nakikita nmn na nakatulong..

yun mga concrete bus seperators and pink fences...masikip na nga sa EDSA lalo pang pinapasikip ng napakagaling nating MMDA chairman, gusto pang tumakbong President...utot niya! magkalat na lang siya ng lagim sa Marikina huwag na niya damay buong Manila

hindi nmn luluwag ang EDSA if you remove those. What it will do is bring back the old times when the buses can hog the roads for their own. Like, they will drive on the innermost left lane.. then pag me bababa, biglang magswerve until the innermost right lane, then babalik ulit sa innermost left lane. Hindi pa nagse-senyas.

Talagang nakakainit ng ulo. Walang pakialam ung mga bus kung ano mangyari sa mga katabi nila. Malaki kasi sila, kaya pag natamaan ung car.. ung car pa rin ang talo kaya napipilitan kang mag-adjust kahit ung bus ang mali.. buti sa ngayon confined na sila sa isang area.

[Wh1stl3r]

The U-turn slots are more effective than having 4 way or 3 way stop intersections. The idea is to have a more constant (non-stop) flow of traffic. The key here is to merge effectively. If everyone is in their proper lane and nagbibigayan lahat when they merge traffic should move more smoothly with the U-turn slots than with 4 or 3 way stoplights. Conversely, kung naggigitgitan lahat, mabagal talaga. But this is also true whatever flow of traffic is implemented.

The biggest problem is the volume of traffic. Remember how light traffic was when gas was close to 60/liter? Pasig to Makati took me 10mins. We need to build more roads or encourage development away from Metro Manila. Or give tax cuts to people who commute

As for the concrete barriers, siguro kulang lang sa lighting yung ibang areas. Would you rather remove them and allow buses to play patintero with you at every part of EDSA? I don't get why the barriers are to blame in these "accidents". These barriers don't move. If someone hits a gutter or wall nobody blames these inanimate objects so why start blaming the barriers? These "accidents" happen because the drivers (drunk, sleepy or not) go too fast on dimly lit roads that they are unfamiliar with. All you need to do is slow down.

[Mguy]

As for the concrete barriers, siguro kulang lang sa lighting yung ibang areas. Would you rather remove them and allow buses to play patintero with you at every part of EDSA? I don't get why the barriers are to blame in these "accidents". These barriers don't move. If someone hits a gutter or wall nobody blames these inanimate objects so why start blaming the barriers? These "accidents" happen because the drivers (drunk, sleepy or not) go too fast on dimly lit roads that they are unfamiliar with. All you need to do is slow down.

+1. I remember those days where EDSA had a service road. Once they had removed these, buses were all over EDSA.

As I said before, if you keep to your lane, these barriers will not be a hindrance. Plus it would be stupid for the driver to drive fast in an unfamiliar place. These barriers do not move, unlike in the ongoing construction in SLEX where almost everday, it changes.

[dieselNUBI]

actually hindi lang un bridges ang pwede naten i complain. nakaka bad trip din un mga jeepneys going to legarda from r.magsaysay.
titigil sila sa right lane. kukuha ng pasahero.... un mga cars going to mendiola quipo naiipit. tpos tong mga jeepneys bigla liliko pa kaliwa onto incoming traffic para umakyat ng tulay.

and yeah. ang gulo nga dyan sa c5 elevated u turn. pag napapa daan ako banda dyan parang nakaka takot. parang may accidente mangyayari.

sistema / disiplina ang kulang.

[renzo_d10]

Pampasikip lang yan eh

[kinyo]

i thought u-turns work until recently ... it turns out that higher fuel cost is much more effective in reducing traffic

[creepy]

i thought u-turns work until recently ... it turns out that higher fuel cost is much more effective in reducing traffic

Tumpak!!

I wonder if the naysayers will acknowledge they're wrong and apologize if traffic improves after the work on the elevated U-turns is finished.

[kenzie]

The U-turn slots are more effective than having 4 way or 3 way stop intersections. The idea is to have a more constant (non-stop) flow of traffic. The key here is to merge effectively. If everyone is in their proper lane and nagbibigayan lahat when they merge traffic should move more smoothly with the U-turn slots than with 4 or 3 way stoplights. Conversely, kung naggigitgitan lahat, mabagal talaga. But this is also true whatever flow of traffic is implemented.

The biggest problem is the volume of traffic. Remember how light traffic was when gas was close to 60/liter? Pasig to Makati took me 10mins. We need to build more roads or encourage development away from Metro Manila. Or give tax cuts to people who commute

As for the concrete barriers, siguro kulang lang sa lighting yung ibang areas. Would you rather remove them and allow buses to play patintero with you at every part of EDSA? I don't get why the barriers are to blame in these "accidents". These barriers don't move. If someone hits a gutter or wall nobody blames these inanimate objects so why start blaming the barriers? These "accidents" happen because the drivers (drunk, sleepy or not) go too fast on dimly lit roads that they are unfamiliar with. All you need to do is slow down.

my point exactly

[Altis6453]

Tumpak!!

I wonder if the naysayers will acknowledge they're wrong and apologize if traffic improves after the work on the elevated U-turns is finished.

And I wonder if the proponents and advocates of these "brilliant" elevated u-turns will apologize if traffic does not improve at C5 at all.

[BlueJazz]

Try driving at night at your normal pace when suddenly out of the gloom of night a dirty concrete barrier suddenly appears in your path.

Speed limits debate is a joke unless you drive like a grandmother on the highways when traffic is light. Do you drive at 40kph on EDSA?

Honestly, those barriers might not be a problem IF you drive through that road/street everyday but for those roads which you aren't familiar with, those barriers are a giant road hazard. Example, since i dont drive through commonwealth ave often (something like twice a year), any barriers setup there to "control" traffic flow can suddenly become a crash barrier as well if I was to try driving through there.

Well, I guess you have not hit any barriers right? So this then makes it safe..

If these barriers are hazards, then I would have seen an accident every night, with people seriously injured or killed regularly.

But to be honest, I had a friend that have hit this barrier. He was DRUNK and speeding when he hit it.

[ghosthunter]

Well, I guess you have not hit any barriers right? So this then makes it safe..

The fact that I haven't hit a barrier isn't due to the "safe" barrier. it simply means I have been lucky so far. The same goes that since I haven't been hit by a bullet doesn't mean i am bulletproof.

If these barriers are hazards, then I would have seen an accident every night, with people seriously injured or killed regularly.

I observed that nearly all concrete barriers bear the marks of vehicle impacts. It doesn't require a death-toll so see that they are unsafe.

And that summarizes the problem with pinoys. They tend to be more knee-jerk reaction type of people. They require a death-toll of sorts of get any movement for general safety for an obvious problem.

[kenzie]

I observed that nearly all concrete barriers bear the marks of vehicle impacts. It doesn't require a death-toll so see that they are unsafe.

maybe that's one reason barriers are not safe for you... instead of watching the road you're observing nearly all concreate barriers for vehicle impacts

And that summarizes the problem with pinoys. They tend to be more knee-jerk reaction type of people. They require a death-toll of sorts of get any movement for general safety for an obvious problem.

until the barriers moves by itself, it will not be considered a safety issue, but for now just steer away from it

[ghosthunter]

maybe that's one reason barriers are not safe for you... instead of watching the road you're observing nearly all concreate barriers for vehicle impacts

if that's your arguement, its a very shallow point. It doesn't take half a brain to see those barriers' condition.

[Mguy]

Tumpak!!

I wonder if the naysayers will acknowledge they're wrong and apologize if traffic improves after the work on the elevated U-turns is finished.

And I wonder if the proponents and advocates of these "brilliant" elevated u-turns will apologize if traffic does not improve at C5 at all.

Kaya hintay na lang tayo matapos ang project before we bash one another on something that we had not have a hand in planning whatsoever.

[BlueJazz]

There are other unsafe conditions on the road which are considered risks like potholes, irresponsible motorists, scooters, pedestrians etc. But these other factors you can address by being alert, and the same is true with barriers.

No need to argue on the barriers as some people will see these as risks, especially the one who speeds, while others who benefit from the improved traffic conditions find this helpful.

[Yoda]

The issue here is not about how safe/good a driver you are or how those who wrap their cars around those barriers are idiots/drunks. It's about lessening the chances of accidents happening.

Anyone care to argue that a road littered with obstacles every hundred meters or so is safer?

We're humans and we all make mistakes.

If these u-turns work AND are devoid of any safety issues, then case closed.

[creepy]

And I wonder if the proponents and advocates of these "brilliant" elevated u-turns will apologize if traffic does not improve at C5 at all.

Tsk tsk. Defensive ah...

Don't be too defensive. What I (and some people) are saying is that everyone should keep an open mind, reserve judgement and stop heckling before the project is finished.

I hope the people heckling this project keep their minds open.