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February 16th, 2011 12:11 PM #31
Oh yeah we forgot the maintenance cost of the electric vehicles... Those batteries are hell a lot expensive...
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February 16th, 2011 12:33 PM #33Cost of a Prius batter = $4k ++ service charges
http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-p...nt-cost-4.html
Batteries last for 150k miles I think.
I would think that a pure electric vehicle would need more than 39kwh to run.
I think they'd need more electricity than a 100watt bulb to run 20 hrs a day for a month.
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February 16th, 2011 12:50 PM #34If everybody used electric cars, electricity will become relatively more expensive than petrol. Balik na lang uli sa petrol.
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February 16th, 2011 12:58 PM #35
But in the first place, why would everyone want to have an electric car that is more expensive to buy (as compared to petrol cars), have limited driving range, take 6 to 8 hours to fully recharge and would cost you more to own and operate in ten years than a standard petrol powered car?
I would rather keep my gasoline powered car, thank you. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to own and operate, takes only a few minutes to fill the fuel tank and drives 300 to 400 km per full tank.
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February 16th, 2011 01:15 PM #36
it's not yet time
electric cars are still too expensive
like GH said, at the price you pay for a decent electric car, di mo mababawi yan thru fuel savings
pag bumaba na ang price ng electric cars
pag bumaba na ang cost of replacing batteries
pag mabilis na i-charge, pag super extended na ang range
then we'll consider
to the advocates of electric cars, why not go ahead and buy one?
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February 16th, 2011 01:40 PM #37
A few comments on the assumptions made:
- 1.5M cost for eVios is unreasonable. Nobody would buy that, even in China. Im guessing the Chinese will price it 800-900k
- Still, assuming that its 1.5m, cost of fuel over the next 10 years is not fixed at P49/liter. Market forecasts put oil barrel cost at $150-200 by 2015. So effectively, 10 year price difference between electric and gas Vios is at least 1M (very conservative estimate pa ito)
The problem with hydrogen is that the cost of constructing hydrogen filling stations will run in billions. Not feasible. The advantage of electric is that the charging infrastructure is basically there--may mga plugs na sa bahay.
8 hours is how long we sleep/stay at home at night. Kung talagang busy ka, 440v fast charging stations are being built for 1-hour quick charge. Pero kung talaga super busy ka, then electric car is not for you; mas bagay sa iyo hybrids
see response above on cost computation.
About coal naman, here in Davao we also get our electricty from Mt. Apo, so hydro ito. Pero kahit sa coal pa, you're contributing less damage to the environment as electric cars have zero-emissions.
unlike now where we mine fossil fuels, process them using dirty refineries, transport them around the world using dirty diesel ships, and then use cars that emit dirty carbon dioxide.
Kahit papano na lang, lesser evil pa rin ang zero emissionLast edited by anonemus; February 16th, 2011 at 01:42 PM.
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February 16th, 2011 01:45 PM #38
I still believe that hydrogen powered cars will be the future. It's a matter of how do we harness hydrogen. Cost should not be a problem as this can be recouped in the future (e.g. telecom operators transition from GSM to 3G)
Last edited by A121; February 16th, 2011 at 01:48 PM.
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February 16th, 2011 01:48 PM #39
And you assume as well going forward electricity rates will remain the same? They also go up as well especially if all of us go electric... Then petrol will drop cause of low demand... And the batteries just has a finite charge and recharge cycles and eventually they don't hold as much charge anymore... Bulok na nga range ng electric cars lalo lang bubulok if you don't buy an new $2000 battery! And replacing batteries is dirty business, its not environmentally friendly as well... Buti kung ilan lang kayo gumagamit ng electric pero kung lahat tayo gagamit ng electric imagine the waste... Also if ALL OF US add electric cars in our homes besides the regular aircon, TV, ref and PC's can our electricity grid handle the overload?
So maskin mahal ang infrastructure ng hydrogen its still a better option cause its more environmentally friendly in the long run (no batteries to be replaced), hydrogen is abundant, and again 2 minutes to refill good for another 400km walang electric car kaya nyan... Will lang talaga kailangan...
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February 16th, 2011 01:57 PM #40
I can only share what Nissan is doing with their LEAF. Battery maintenance cost is ZERO for 10 years/150,000. Nissan will replace the batteries if defective within warranty period. By 10 years, performance has degraded down to 80%, but still serviceable. By 2021, batteries will be cheaper and more efficient na naman.
The 39kwh is the estimate in the blog, to run the Volt on pure electric mode for 160kms
Yes, electric cost will rise but not as dramatic as petrol. Supply of petrol is really dwindling and therefore prices will shoot up ($200/barrel by 2015, estimate). For electric, there are other sources that we can tap, even nuclear (favorite ni ghosthunter)
Electric car is not for everyone. It's one of the choices consumers can take. There will be electric, hybrid, hydrogen, petrol, diesel, biofuel, CNG, LPG, etc. Tingin ko lang dito, the more choices, the better for us consumers.
Bottomline, the future of cars using pure fossil fuel is getting "dimmer" cost-wise.
the savings is not only about fuel, but also about the environment. pero tama ka sir, dapat bumaba muna unit price and battery costs, plus tumaas ang range (but really, my daily drive is only 30kms both ways) for it to be considered. at sana nga this will happen soon.
Why wouldn't i go ahead and buy one? Nissan will not bring the LEAF to the Philippines yet. Kung papasok nga yang electric Vios dito sa Pinas soon (with reasonable price and standard warranty), ibebenta ko regular Vios ko at bibili ako ng electric version
Choice I would have made as well.:nod:
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