Electric Vios

**sm2by** · February 15th, 2011 05:21 PM

To those who didn't know Electric Cars gained popularity in the mid-90s and almost went mainstream but due to dark forces it got killed.....
Watch this 2006 Documentary to know what happened...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsJAlrYjGz8

Long Story-short:
California Law Makers got concerned about Air Quality in their state so they publish a mandate requiring Car Manufactures to produce Zero-emission Vehicles.
General Motors, Toyota, Ford, Honda and others released many variations of electric vehicles....
The ONE that stood out was the EV-1 produced by GM and marketed under their Saturn division.
A Couple of years later mysterious complaints started pouring in questioning Electric Cars and their Charging Stations.... Annoyingly this leads to the dismissal of the mandate of Zero Emissions Vehicles in the state of California.
Car Companies started repossesing all the Electric Vehicles that they leased to happy, satisfied owners... The owners protested but to no hope they lost and all the cars were taken it to be scrapped...

After that General Motors bought AMC and started producing the Hummer.....

**ghosthunter** · February 15th, 2011 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by sm2by

Umm, I read GM calls the Volt an "Extended Range EV" not a hybrid.
A Hybrid is a vehicle that alternately uses a gas engine and electric motor to drive the wheels.
A Plug-in Hybrid is similar to a Hybrid car but the user can charge the vehicle off a normal power outlet or at charging stations.
The Volt directly uses the electric motors to drive its wheels not the gas engine so technically its an Electric Vehicle, it just uses the gas engine to regenerate power for the batteries, unlike in hybrids like the prius/insight the gas engine is still the primary power train...

The VOLT is still technically a hybrid because it has an electric system with an internal combustion engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicle

Hybrid electric vehicles can be classified according to the way in which power is supplied to the drivetrain:

* In parallel hybrids, the ICE and the electric motor are both connected to the mechanical transmission and can simultaneously transmit power to drive the wheels, usually through a conventional transmission. Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system as found in the Insight, Civic, Accord, as well as the GM Belted Alternator/Starter (BAS Hybrid) system found in the Chevrolet Malibu hybrids are examples of production parallel hybrids.[11] Current, commercialized parallel hybrids use a single, small (<20 kW) electric motor and small battery pack as the electric motor is not designed to be the sole source of motive power from launch. Parallel hybrids are also capable of regenerative braking and the internal combustion engine can also act a generator for supplemental recharging. Parallel hybrids are more efficient than comparable non-hybrid vehicles especially during urban stop-and-go conditions and at times during highway operation where the electric motor is permitted to contribute.[11]

* In series hybrids, only the electric motor drives the drivetrain, and the ICE works as a generator to power the electric motor or to recharge the batteries. The battery pack can be recharged through regenerative braking or by the ICE. Series hybrids usually have a smaller combustion engine but a larger battery pack as compared to parallel hybrids, which makes them more expensive than parallels. This configuration makes series hybrids more efficient in city driving.[11] The Chevrolet Volt is a series plug-in hybrid, although GM prefers to describe the Volt as an electric vehicle equipped with a "range extending" gasoline powered ICE as a generator and therefore dubbed an "Extended Range Electric Vehicle"[12] or E-REV.[12][13][14]

* Power-split hybrids have the benefits of a combination of series and parallel characteristics. As a result, they are more efficient overall, because series hybrids tend to be more efficient at lower speeds and parallel tend to be more efficient at high speeds; however, the power-split hybrid is higher than a pure parallel.[11] Examples of power-split (referred to by some as "series-parallel") hybrid powertrains include current models of Ford, General Motors, Lexus, Nissan, and Toyota.[11][15]

**myas110** · February 15th, 2011 05:56 PM

e kung prius di mabenta (almost), e lexus pa kaya?

vios, unless the facility here in PH is very good compared to other countries, ay magiging mabenta.

**tidus1203** · February 15th, 2011 06:04 PM

GM can call the Volt whatever they want for marketing purposes pero as far as I am concerned the mere fact it has an internal combustion engine then its a HYBRID!

Pure electric vehicles are the Nissan Leaf, the Mitsubishi iMIEV and the Ford Focus Electric... Yung isa lang engine, electric motor!

**sm2by** · February 15th, 2011 07:59 PM

This was the dream that died

GM EV-1 (Top Gear 1997)
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**anonemus** · February 15th, 2011 10:24 PM

* tidus -- ano comment mo dun sa cost computation on page 1? mas mura electric than gas dito sa pinas di ba?

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More EV news:

Other than the Yaris hybrid, Toyota will also release an EV iQ next month

http://www.automotiveworld.com/news/...type-at-geneva

Honda will show off its Electric Jazz in Geneva next month:

http://www.motoism.com/20110215250/t...otor-show.html

**anonemus** · February 15th, 2011 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by tidus1203

To those who support electric vehicles I will just refer you to James May and tell you why I prefer Honda's solution... 8 hours to charge, oh please...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffRagsjSpkE

2009 video, 2009 technology. Laos na yan, tidus.

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Here's Fifth Gear in their real world drive in an electric car, the Mitsubishi iMeiv.

YouTube - Fifth Gear S17E03 Electric Car

Great example of an EV that is designed horribly and exorbitantly prices. This Mitsubishi EV is dead on the water with the Nissan LEAF's arrival and the electric Focus coming late this year.

**tidus1203** · February 15th, 2011 10:37 PM

Yeah the Honda FCX Clarity was made in 2008 sadly didn't got too much attention when its very obvious its the way to go cause its so similar to the cars of the present without the emissions of burning fuel and hydrogen being the most abundant element in the universe...

I guess you want to wait 8 hours to recharge, sorry I am a busy man can't wait 8 hours I want to drive the way I do now. Fill up for 2 minutes and I am good for another 400km or so...

That's the problem of electric. THE WAITING TIMES!!! In the modern age that's unacceptable!

**tidus1203** · February 15th, 2011 10:40 PM

Assuming tama computation mo (sorry bud tinatamad na ako magbilang), magkano naman yung kotse mababawi mo ba yan on pure savings on electricity VS petrol alone? Its like the classic petrol vs diesel argument pero the cost of electric vehicles is even way more than the difference of petrol and diesel engines...

Isa pa if environment was the issue guess how we get our electricity?

COAL!

Dirty as hell and even worse for the environment than burning petrol...

**ghosthunter** · February 16th, 2011 12:35 AM

Based on data on 1st page:

electric car:
160km = P124.68
assuming annual mileage = 12,000km
annual electric cost = P9,351.00

petrol car:
160km = P784.00
assuming annual mileage = 12,000km
annual fuel cost = P58,800.00

Annual cost difference = P49,449.00 (or how much you save on fuel cost)

If you use the electric car for ten years, you would have saved P494,490.00 in fuel cost savings.

Vios = P700,000
proposed eVios = P1.5M

Conclusion, even with ten years of use and assuming the battery pack will last ten years without degrading (which is impossible), it would still be cheaper to own and operate a standard Vios.