Electric Vios

[anonemus]

FAW Toyota may introduce new self-branded electric car

By Carmen Lee From Gasgoo.comFebruary 14, 2011

Gasgoo.com (Shanghai February 14) - Tianjin FAW Toyota is in the process of setting up its own brand, bjnews.com.cn reported. Sources within the joint venture said that the brand was already within the negotiating stage, and that research and development work on a brand new model would begin in the future. It is expected to be released within the year.
Information was leaked earlier on the vehicle, revealing that it would be based on the Toyota Vios subcompact (pictured) platform and would contain entirely self-made pure electric technology. Tianjin FAW Toyota General Manager Chen Dapeng stating that this would be the first step the company takes towards producing a self-branded vehicle.
Sources also confirmed that FAW Tianjin Toyota had already formally established its R&D facility to better suit the tastes of the Chinese market, which was reported to be completed last year. However, they refused to offer any clear information regarding the new vehicle.

Hope they sell this in Pinas :D

http://autonews.gasgoo.com/china-new...c-110214.shtml

[istan]

With our super expensive electricity? Tapus, problem pa nyan...di ka makakalayo. Pag natrapik ka, tapus ubos na battery mo...tulak na yan. :D

Can anybody compute cost saving for electric vs gasoline 1.3L car?

[ghosthunter]

Chinese brand clone cars (electric or otherwise) will not sell in the Philippines.

Filipino buying market generally too conservative for such a radical move.

[tidus1203]

Electricity costs a lot here, this ain't the US or Canada...

[Altis6453]

Who are they kidding? THey can't even sell the Prius here. It's a whopping Php2+Million. Wonder how much this'll cost if Toyota makes it?

[ghosthunter]

Who are they kidding? THey can't even sell the Prius here. It's a whopping Php2+Million. Wonder how much this'll cost if Toyota makes it?

I doubt if they have plans of exporting it beyond China with the first generation of electric Vios.

[anonemus]

Can anybody compute cost saving for electric vs gasoline 1.3L car?

Electricity costs a lot here, this ain't the US or Canada...

I'm no engineer nor am I good in math, pero subukan natin.

For a Chevy Volt (heavier than the Vios) to travel 160kms, it needs 39 kwh.
http://green.autoblog.com/2010/11/11...ore-than-the-g

Magkano kwh sa Meralco ngayon?


Distribution Charge (per kwh) 0-200 kwh 0.8547 201-300 kwh 1.2298 301-400 kwh 1.5836 401 kwh and up 2.1998
Supply Charge Energy (per kwh) 0.5832 Fixed Amount (per customer) 19.40
Metering Charges Energy (per kwh) 0.4176 Fixed Amount (per customer) 6.55
http://www.meralco.com.ph/meralco/Co...esidential.htm

So, let's see:

Distribution 2.198
Supply 0.582
Metering 0.417

Total 3.197 x 39 = Php 124.68 to travel 160 kms.

For a regular Vios to travel 160 kms, it will need 16 liters (10km/l).

So 16 liters x P49/liter = Php 784.00

Tama ba computation ko?

[tidus1203]

A Chevy Volt is NOT A PURE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. Its a so-called PLUG IN HYBRID. It still has an internal combustion engine that recharges the electric motor as well... Pag pure electric yan with no internal combustion engine I doubt it would be cheaper than a pure petrol...

[anonemus]

^ read the article I linked to, tidus. The Volt was run on pure EV and pure gas for comparison purposes.

The Volt can run on pure EV power alone up to 40 miles, I think. The engine kicks in when you go more than 60mph.

So tama ba computation ko?

[ghosthunter]

Electricity costs a lot here, this ain't the US or Canada...

That fact alone is the reason why I am for nuclear power in the Philippines. It is the only possible way to generate "clean" & cheap electric power.

All others have issues.

coal - cheap / dirty emissions
oil - expensive fuel
hydro - seasonal / potential eco damage / expensive
wind - output small / potential eco issues / expensive / limited output
solar - expensive / limited generation time / limited output
biogas - labor intensive / limited output

[anonemus]

Who are they kidding? THey can't even sell the Prius here. It's a whopping Php2+Million. Wonder how much this'll cost if Toyota makes it?

TMPI might drop the price down to Php1.5M if incentives are given. Still, it's a lot of cash. I think this is the reason why they will introduce a hybrid Yaris this year (and maybe a plug-in version later) to make hybrids more affordable.

2 explore electric vehicle manufacture


Two companies are exploring the possibility of manufacturing electric vehicles in the Philippines, according to Efren Leano, executive director of the Board of Investments (BOI).
The BOI is currently crafting a special program that will give superior incentives to this type of motor vehicle assembly.
In an interview, Leano said Undersecretary Cristino Panlilio recently met with officials of a Chinese firm while a US company is looking for Filipino partners for a similar venture.
He declined to name both companies.
Leano said the Chinese company is one of that country’s biggest assemblers of electric cars, buses, bicycles and scooters.
It is also China’s biggest producer of batteries for cars and cellular phones.
Leano said the company will also invest in the manufacture of parts for electric vehicles.
The venture will not only cater to the local market but also export to countries closer to the Philippines than China.
To support the domestic market for electric vehicles, the Chinese firm will also put up charging stations.
In China, the company produces buses that carry solar panels to recharge batteries.
Leano said the firm sought clarification from government on what incentives government can offer.
Right now, incentives granted to assemblers include a preferential rate of 1 percent for imported completely knocked-down parts.
"We are thinking of a special program for electric vehicles, hybrids and special-fuel fired vehicles. The incentives should be better than those given to the manufacture of gas-fed vehicles," Leano said.
The idea, he said, is to bring down the cost of these vehicles and make the use of vehicles run with alternative energy more appealing to consumers.
According to Leano, Toyota Motor Philippines Corp. in a recent hearing said the price of its hybrid, Prius, could drop to P1.5 million from P2.2 million if incentives are granted.

http://www.malaya.com.ph/feb07/busi7.html

[anonemus]

That fact alone is the reason why I am for nuclear power in the Philippines. It is the only possible way to generate "clean" & cheap electric power.

All others have issues.

coal - cheap / dirty emissions
oil - expensive fuel
hydro - seasonal / potential eco damage / expensive
wind - output small / potential eco issues / expensive / limited output
solar - expensive / limited generation time / limited output
biogas - labor intensive / limited output

What will we do with nuclear waste, ghosthunter?

[ChoyJo]

That fact alone is the reason why I am for nuclear power in the Philippines. It is the only possible way to generate "clean" & cheap electric power.

Elementary(as early as grade 1) palang ako eto na ang gusto kong mangyari..Mas lalo pa noong nagHigh School ako.. Mas tumodo pa nung nagkolehiyo ako.. Hanggang Pangarap na lang ata ito hanggang mamatay ako..

[ghosthunter]

What will we do with nuclear waste, ghosthunter?

Export it to USA (based on a nuclear power trade agreement) or reprocess it into more fuel (doubtful).

Last resort, on-site long term spent nuclear fuel storage.

Even with the last resort option, the environmental impact is still much lighter than anything thing else.

[anonemus]

^ that's an option, but very expensive and we have to upgrade our country's safety standards first. but at least it's cleaner than fossil fuel.

BTW, for those not inclined to buy a China-made electric car, there is an incoming 2012 BMW Edrive 1 Series, 100% EV, 160kms range:









[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUYu2BPmTrg"]YouTube - ► 2012 BMW 1 Series Edrive - Trailer[/ame]

[ghosthunter]

BTW, for those not inclined to buy a China-made electric car, there is an incoming 2012 BMW Edrive 1 Series, 100% EV, 160kms range:

Not really much of an option for those in the Philippines given that a BMW 1 series car is still priced over P2M. An electric version of that would probably cost at least 50% more.

What we would need is an electric car with at least 150km range (or 100km with electric A/C running), sized at least of a typical corolla or civic, made by a trusted brand (example: Hyundai or Toyota) and with a selling price of under P1.3M inclusive of the residential recharger module.

[anonemus]

^ Ah, you just described the Nissan LEAF (US$35K less US$5-7,5K gov't subsidy in other markets, so roughly Php1.3M).

The car comes with a plug that we can use straight away to our 220V outlet. Takes 8 hours to fully charge.

[tidus1203]

To those who support electric vehicles I will just refer you to James May and tell you why I prefer Honda's solution... 8 hours to charge, oh please...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffRagsjSpkE

[ghosthunter]

To those who support electric vehicles I will just refer you to James May and tell you why I prefer Honda's solution... 8 hours to charge, oh please...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffRagsjSpkE

Here's Fifth Gear in their real world drive in an electric car, the Mitsubishi iMeiv.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lNPWwPopRQ"]YouTube - Fifth Gear S17E03 Electric Car[/ame]

[sm2by]

A Chevy Volt is NOT A PURE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. Its a so-called PLUG IN HYBRID. It still has an internal combustion engine that recharges the electric motor as well... Pag pure electric yan with no internal combustion engine I doubt it would be cheaper than a pure petrol...

Umm, I read GM calls the Volt an "Extended Range EV" not a hybrid.
A Hybrid is a vehicle that alternately uses a gas engine and electric motor to drive the wheels.
A Plug-in Hybrid is similar to a Hybrid car but the user can charge the vehicle off a normal power outlet or at charging stations.
The Volt directly uses the electric motors to drive its wheels not the gas engine so technically its an Electric Vehicle, it just uses the gas engine to regenerate power for the batteries, unlike in hybrids like the prius/insight the gas engine is still the primary power train...