Avanza catches Fire sa SLEX

[nblvblewriter]

FYI, 100kph makes people go to sleep on the NLEX, SCTEX. I would rather raise the speed limit on those roads [SIZE=6]to 120kph[/SIZE].

And while we are discussing speed limits, 40kph is the speedlimit of EDSA and other major roads in the metro but so what? We are not discussing legal speedlimits, are we? We are discussing vehicle dynamics at speed. I don't care what the speedlimits are in this topic we are discussion right now. It may be 20, 40, 100, 200kph but it doesn't matter.

Try to keep your eye on the topic.

Just for your clarification sir. You would like to propose 120 kph speed limit on expressways from 100kph. But are you also proposing that a vehicle could also hit the curve at almost the same maximum speed limit of 110/120 kph since ideal vehicles should be able to handle that according to you? If a curve could be passed at that speed, then isn't it that the 120 kph proposal of yours would be quite low? Assuming all vehicles passing the highways are of ideal standards, 120 kph maximum speed may be a little low, is it so sir?

Clarification only sir on your reply. Peace.

[ghosthunter]

The Avanza was not made to be as fast as a sedan. It is designed as an MPV. Even with 7 adults, it can travel with out damage to the suspension. try that to a sedan. baguio kaya with the same engine displacement?

You might have problems with the last few kilometers if the avanza is heavy loaded and you have to climb one of the steeper roads on the boundaries of Baguio.

The avanza has a 200 mm clearance, typically sedans have about 150 to 160 or lower. Center of gravity is higher. disadvantage sa cornering when doing it very fast, but advantage sa baha and not very smooth terrains. Disadvantage sa Avanza ang pagiging makitid nya when it comes to stability lalo na sa high speed turns. But it is as nimbe as a city or vios when it comes to a small turning radius.

That is the major problem with the Avanza. It's high CG combined with the narrow width. If the designers could still lower some of the heavy items, it might be better. Suzuki APV is narrow but handles better.

Regarding speed limits. it is the law. unless the law is changed, we have to accept it. Why not ask our congressman to update the law. It is their job. If we go beyong 100 Kph, automatically, we are breaking the law.

Unfortunately most congresssmen wouldn't bother with it unless they have some sort of monetary reward in it. Remember the speedlimit fiasco in regards to the LTO vs MMDA?

[manunulat]

I am out of here. Cool lang.

[ghosthunter]

Just for your clarification sir. You would like to propose 120 kph speed limit on expressways from 100kph. But are you also proposing that a vehicle could also hit the curve at almost the same maximum speed limit of 110/120 kph since ideal vehicles should be able to handle that according to you? If a curve could be passed at that speed, then isn't it that the 120 kph proposal of yours would be quite low? Assuming all vehicles passing the highways are of ideal standards, 120 kph maximum speed may be a little low, is it so sir?

A vehicle being capable to safely take a curve at 120kph does not automatically equal to letting people in ALL take curves at 120kph. This is already taking the matter too far.

Like when the safe speed at a curve is 40kph yet I take it at 80kph, it doesn't automatically mean everyone should be taking it at 80 as well.

But for the straight sections of roadway like NLEX and SCTEX, the max speed of 100kph is simply too slow and results in the driver getting bored and doze off at the wheel. This has happened to me a number of times which forced me to stop at one of the gasoline/service stations to wake myself up.

BTW, it is not forcing everyone to speed up to 120kph. The slower cars are still welcome use the right lane while the faster cars will use the left lane to overtake the slower cars.

The curves in the NLEX/SCTEX should be taken at speeds below my recommended 120kph IF you know your vehicle is not capable of doing so. It would be stupid to think otherwise.

Just for the record, the curves in SCTEX can be taken at speeds in excess of 180kph easily enough in a properly prepared car.

[ghosthunter]

I am out of here. Cool lang.

LOL! You're so fast in accusing me left and right yet you totally avoid answering my questions which were aimed back at you.

Peace!

[meledson]

You might have problems with the last few kilometers if the avanza is heavy loaded and you have to climb one of the steeper roads on the boundaries of Baguio.

Hindi ko pa nadala sa baguio kaya hindi ako makapag comment.

The steepest road na inakyat ko with the avanza ay sa tagaytay hilands. 6 lang kami.

Pinakamataas at steep din ay sa Monasteryo sa tarlac. 8 kami.

Balewala ang tagaytag via tagaytay-balibago road.

That is the major problem with the Avanza. It's high CG combined with the narrow width. If the designers could still lower some of the heavy items, it might be better. Suzuki APV is narrow but handles better.

The APV is heavier by more than 400 lbs (?), so it is more stable. Engine is under the driver's seat. So this heavy item is lower than the avanza.

Which type of APV have you tested? The original or type II?

Were you able to compare the torque of the 1.6 APV and the 1.5 Avanza?

On paper (as per provided specs) the 1.3 Avanza almost has the same torque as the the original 1.5 APV. i do not know about the type II.

The type II APV upgraded to rear coil springs from leaf springs. The avanza uses rear coil springs ever since.

Unfortunately most congresssmen wouldn't bother with it unless they have some sort of monetary reward in it. Remember the speedlimit fiasco in regards to the LTO vs MMDA?

Unfortunately.

[ghosthunter]

Hindi ko pa nadala sa baguio kaya hindi ako makapag comment.
The steepest road na inakyat ko with the avanza ay sa tagaytay hilands. 6 lang kami.
Pinakamataas at steep din ay sa Monasteryo sa tarlac. 8 kami.
Balewala ang tagaytag via tagaytay-balibago road.

True the Avanza can take the Highlands' steep roads. But you have to consider the lower air pressure at Baguio which reduces the engine's output. I drove my corolla to baguio and I could literally feel the difference in power.

You might have to unload a couple of people on the last uphill climb if you do bring it to Baguio fully loaded with people and luggage.

The APV is heavier by more than 400 lbs (?), so it is more stable. Engine is under the driver's seat. So this heavy item is lower than the avanza.

Which type of APV have you tested? The original or type II?

Just one lang... which was the original version.

Were you able to compare the torque of the 1.6 APV and the 1.5 Avanza?

On paper (as per provided specs) the 1.3 Avanza almost has the same torque as the the original 1.5 APV. i do not know about the type II.

They felt about the same but I got to drive the Avanza 1.5L then. I didn't check the acceleration times because technical tests where done by another group. But I was sure the Avanza would be faster than the APV based on the vehicles' apparent weight when driven. I just didn't like the APV's driving position (the driver as part of the vehicle's crumple zone ).

[jrebong0]

Sabi nga nila, kaya PINAKAMARAMI ang viruses sa Windows platform, kasi, siya ang may PINAKAMALAKING share sa market. Ganun din iyan sa mga sasakyan, mas marami kang mababalitaan na nasusunog na Toyota dahil siya ang pinakamalaking manufacturer ng mga commercial cars.

OT pero i have to dispel this myth. The reason windows have the most viruses is because microsoft does not place any emphasis on security. they never did. This has nothing to do with market share and everything to do with creating good software..

Btw, curious lang ako, meron pa bang ibang nasunog na sasakyan in the philippines apart from toyota made ones? like honda or mazda?

[woohoo]

OT pero i have to dispel this myth. The reason windows have the most viruses is because microsoft does not place any emphasis on security. they never did. This has nothing to do with market share and everything to do with creating good software..

Btw, curious lang ako, meron pa bang ibang nasunog na sasakyan in the philippines apart from toyota made ones? like honda or mazda?

Right, what I meant was that MORE PC's suffer from Windows viruses because it has the largest market share. Even if there was only 1 virus on the Windows platform. Because of its huge market share, there will still be more computers suffering from that theoretical single Windows virus.

I'm still waiting for the REAL reason for that fire, though. (on topic na, ha. )

[ghosthunter]

OT pero i have to dispel this myth. The reason windows have the most viruses is because microsoft does not place any emphasis on security. they never did. This has nothing to do with market share and everything to do with creating good software..

Btw, curious lang ako, meron pa bang ibang nasunog na sasakyan in the philippines apart from toyota made ones? like honda or mazda?

There are the Ferrari's and the lancer, sentra, L300 etc that have going up in smoke.

Just one car doesn't make a statistical trend.

[pjkhyra]

True the Avanza can take the Highlands' steep roads. But you have to consider the lower air pressure at Baguio which reduces the engine's output. I drove my corolla to baguio and I could literally feel the difference in power.

You might have to unload a couple of people on the last uphill climb if you do bring it to Baguio fully loaded with people and luggage.

FYI lang po since i am based here in Baguio..

My ride is Avanza 1.3J... Kayang kaya naman po paakyat ng steep uphill road with 8 passengers (including me) and lots of luggage.. 1st gear nga lang kc d kaya ng 2nd gear(nabibitin) pero 1st gear no problem naka 2k-2500 rpm lang ako wlang kahirap hirap... the uphill road i"m referring to is at circumferential road leading to naguilian road which i think much steeper than the last steep uphill climb at marcos highway... considering foggy pa noon and umuulan contributing to lower air pressure as you have mentioned po...

[ghosthunter]

FYI lang po since i am based here in Baguio..

My ride is Avanza 1.3J... Kayang kaya naman po paakyat ng steep uphill road with 8 passengers (including me) and lots of luggage.. 1st gear nga lang kc d kaya ng 2nd gear(nabibitin) pero 1st gear no problem naka 2k-2500 rpm lang ako wlang kahirap hirap... the uphill road i"m referring to is at circumferential road leading to naguilian road which i think much steeper than the last steep uphill climb at marcos highway... considering foggy pa noon and umuulan contributing to lower air pressure as you have mentioned po...

Ok. That should be good news to other Avanza users.

I was concerned about the last steep uphill on Marcos Highway. Every time I pass through there, I see trucks and such grinding up or have totally stalled on the side of the road.

[jaspi11]

OT na dito for ilan pages na rin.

May nakakaalam ba kung what triggered the fire? Parang faulty electricals. Palpak na ICE upgrade?

OO nga..........anu nga kaya dahilan nun accident na yun...sana ma post dito kung anu talaga naging findings ng toyota malamang ibinalik yun sa casa or anu kaya findings ng insurance dun......