2013 Toyota 86

[Sweetlucious]

I don't think it will be anything like the SiR. 1st is its too expensove for ricer wannabees. 2nd is supply will be very minimal as Toyota and Subaru IMO is doing a Harley. Always keeping supply below demand para mas may kilig factor.

What i meant is it will be challenged alot on the road, especially by ricers in their econoboxes. Theres already someone here saying that it will be beaten by a focus tdci. And alot of them will brag about their encounters with the 86, on how many car length it fell behind. Though some encounters are just imaginations.

[Starex_Gold]

Ginawang Santo yung Focus TDCi eh.

Tingnan natin kung magiging mainit ang pagtanggap ng grupo "nila" sa owners ng Toyota 86...

Yung next batch ng Toyota 86 baka daw next year na.

[Sweetlucious]

Yup next year pa according to toyota manila, and in-house financing pa ang gusto. And no exact timeline, thats why their not accepting money for reservation.

[MrGunn]

Went to Toyota Shaw to check out the 86 in the flesh.. All I can say is wow!! Its super ***y, super low, and super kilig... till I saw the back seat, hahaha, which should be called a back se-- coz its super sikip din! If I were single and there were units available then definitely will get the 86... but I'm a family guy so back seats are important to me as well, so I guess that's 1 less customer in the 86 line... Mustang o gen coupe na ang...

[erick_214]

Ginawang Santo yung Focus TDCi eh.

Tingnan natin kung magiging mainit ang pagtanggap ng grupo "nila" sa owners ng Toyota 86...

Yung next batch ng Toyota 86 baka daw next year na.

Grabe ka naman...I was comparing the transmission "A L O N E" PS vs AT(conventional)...I was hoping that the new 86 would have a similar transmission like the PS or like Mazda's skyactive AT...Pero conventional AT...Pang tatay...

[jut703]

Grabe ka naman...I was comparing the transmission "A L O N E" PS vs AT(conventional)...I was hoping that the new 86 would have a similar transmission like the PS or like Mazda's skyactive AT...Pero conventional AT...Pang tatay...

Uh, conventional AT yung sa CX-5.

At pang-tatay na pala ang C63 AMG ngayon, naka-conventional AT eh.

[genesischain]

^Doesn't merc commonly have the image of catering to the market of midlife crisis blokes, not only in the PH, but in most other countries as well? Maski AMG pa sya?


I think erick_214's point is that, when you buy a car(more so for tuning), the transmission is a big part of the purchasing decision(unless you are a severely impulsive buyer, or just dumb with cash/credit) since it is one of the few points in the car that is very difficult to replace. These factors being the size, chassis, powertrain layout, etc.

[JohnM]

Why get an AT if you're gonna tune it beyond its limits anyway?

The C63 reportedly chose the slushbox over the SLS' dual clutch because the former is smoother:
"Although the transmissions in the C63 and SLS boast seven forward ratios, the C63’s box is a conventional torque-converter automatic versus the SLS’s dual-clutch unit. The sedan’s gearbox works better, as toeing the throttle moves the C63 in the predictable, smooth fashion that only comes from whipping up transmission fluid in a torque converter. The SLS’s dual clutches may perform quicker shifts, but the electronic controls give this transmission a klutzy feel when it comes to pulling away from a stoplight and when changing out of reverse and into drive. The C63’s real automatic doesn’t ever trip or stumble, although we do wish the paddle shifters would accept requests for multiple gearchanges. Two quick pulls give you just one gear swap. You must wait for the change to be effected before you ask for the next. " Mercedes-Benz C-class Review: C63 AMG with Development Pack Test – Car and Driver

If the MT's clutch is as light as a Corollas then I'd like to assume that the engineers wanted the 86/BRZ to be a daily driven car that will do very well on track days.

[genesischain]

Why get an AT if you're gonna tune it beyond its limits anyway?

Yes, exactly my point when I said "the transmission is a big part of the purchasing decision....since it is one of the few points in the car that is very difficult to replace".


The conversation picked up with the A/T though so...

[CVT]

Not sure kung totoo, pero sa Clubhouse namin kagabi after the basketball game,- may bulung-bulungan na 2 raw homeowners namin ang mayroon na nito...

Makapag-walking nga mamayang gabi, at masilip ang mga garahe ng mga put3....

16.3K:shower:

[jut703]

^Doesn't merc commonly have the image of catering to the market of midlife crisis blokes, not only in the PH, but in most other countries as well? Maski AMG pa sya?


I think erick_214's point is that, when you buy a car(more so for tuning), the transmission is a big part of the purchasing decision(unless you are a severely impulsive buyer, or just dumb with cash/credit) since it is one of the few points in the car that is very difficult to replace. These factors being the size, chassis, powertrain layout, etc.

Not liking the C63 AMG? How about the Lexus IS-F? The Aston Martin Vanquish?

My point is, conventional ATs aren't as bad as you guys imply. A dual-clutch system doesn't make the torque-converter slushbox obsolete because there are still applications where the latter is better. As has been pointed out, performance-oriented DCT's are often very jerky under normal operation. Tamer DCTs on the other hand, such as those on the Ford Fiesta, aren't actually more responsive than the good torque-converter automatics.

And besides, Toyota doesn't have a mass-market dual clutch transmission to slap on the GT-86 anyway.

[niky]

The one real-world problem with a torque-converter-equipped AT is the shift logic. Meaning to say... it's only as big a problem as the computer's pre-programmed or adaptive shift points.

I've driven traditional ATs that are as responsive in terms of shift logic as DCTs, even if the shifts themselves are slower. But in exchange for slower shifts, torque-converter autos give you smoother acceleration, especially from a stop. Something dual clutches still can't do, unless they also use torque converters.

Pero... smoothest pa rin ang CVT.

[Ry_Tower]

If in case you will purchase this.... Whats is the reason why you will choose the Toyota 86 over a used 2004 BMW Z4, BMW 325i coupe or a 2001 Porche boxter S?

Brand new pa rin naman and since subaru-toyota collaboration, quality is expected to be good. And most probably, maintenance is cheaper.

Plus the 2004 Z4 is not as good as the current Z4 which Top Gear UK is raving about.

[jaymd]

The one real-world problem with a torque-converter-equipped AT is the shift logic. Meaning to say... it's only as big a problem as the computer's pre-programmed or adaptive shift points.

I've driven traditional ATs that are as responsive in terms of shift logic as DCTs, even if the shifts themselves are slower. But in exchange for slower shifts, torque-converter autos give you smoother acceleration, especially from a stop. Something dual clutches still can't do, unless they also use torque converters.

Pero... smoothest pa rin ang CVT.

sir niky ano tingin nyo sa durability ng CVTs sa market ngayon. nissan, subaru, mitsu etc cvt na. is it more durable than conventional ATs? yun jazz dati cvt tapos nag revert back to conv AT. Personally i dont consider buying cars that have cvt trannies. OT pala haha

[genesischain]

Not liking the C63 AMG? How about the Lexus IS-F? The Aston Martin Vanquish?

Not really.. I was just merely giving input about your AMG example.

And I don't really hate the conventional AT. It serves a purpose. Case to case basis though..

[renzo_d10]

If in case you will purchase this.... Whats is the reason why you will choose the Toyota 86 over a used 2004 BMW Z4, BMW 325i coupe or a 2001 Porche boxter S?

Because it's brand new, and is probably cheaper to run than your given options. :D

Although the 325i coupe looks really good, and if it is in its tip-top condition I'd choose it over the 86 any day..

Other alternatives for the 86 would be 2nd hand EVOs & Imprezas.

[niky]

If in case you will purchase this.... Whats is the reason why you will choose the Toyota 86 over a used 2004 BMW Z4, BMW 325i coupe or a 2001 Porche boxter S?

Unless 3.0, slower. Runflats. Cramped.

Runflats, slower, heavier... but it's a pretty good car if you need a tourer.

Hmmm... Flip a coin. The Boxster likely drives better... but maintenance issues for the pre-2006 Boxster engines (balancer failures) means... no.

The market for brand new cars is quite different than for secondhand. The typical 86 buyer is not considering secondhand sportscars. He wants the exclusivity, prestige and headache free operation of a brand new sports car.

sir niky ano tingin nyo sa durability ng CVTs sa market ngayon. nissan, subaru, mitsu etc cvt na. is it more durable than conventional ATs? yun jazz dati cvt tapos nag revert back to conv AT. Personally i dont consider buying cars that have cvt trannies. OT pala haha

Not any better or worse than a traditional auto. The Jazz issues were clutch pack issues that shouldn't affect units with torque converters for starting off, like the Lancer.

[istan]

sir niky ano tingin nyo sa durability ng CVTs sa market ngayon. nissan, subaru, mitsu etc cvt na. is it more durable than conventional ATs? yun jazz dati cvt tapos nag revert back to conv AT. Personally i dont consider buying cars that have cvt trannies. OT pala haha

CVTs nowadays are durable. Just need the proper oil and oil change every 40k kms.
My 9 year old Lancer MX CVT runs fine. No issues on the tranny. 110k kms na ako.
No reported issues also on Xtrail CVTs and Altis CVTs.

Honda lng pumalpak, because
1. They put on the wrong oil in the factory.
2. The design was faulty. I think think the clutches failed for those CVTs.

Although of course, if CVTs fail regardless of brand, you have to replace the whole transmission. Unlike normal 4, 5, 6ATs, you have replacement clutch packs in Banawe.

[LiempoBoi]

Yung next batch ng Toyota 86 baka daw next year na.

Next year na daw sir yung next batch ng Toyota 86 sabi ng kaibigan ko.

[numbah5]

If next year pa bibili ng 86, pwede na magpareserve ngayon? makukuha kaya naman kaya kahit next year pa bibilhin?