u.s. emissions spec cars

[jick.cejoco]

how many percent of cars on manila roads are compliant with OBD I or OBD II or compliant to u.s. epa (envronmental protection agency) and nhtsa ) national highways and traffic safety administraton ? i am taking a survey if a specialty auto shop is going to be needed in manila. thanks for your responses

[miked]

jick,

looks like wala pa yang sinasabi mo...i'm not really sure since ang concern lang halos is to pass the "emission test"....hindi pa ganoong ka-strict ang DOTC-LTO as well as DENR....sa emission test nga lang pera-pera lang ang usapan....only in the Philippines....

[niky]

how many percent of cars on manila roads are compliant with OBD I or OBD II or compliant to u.s. epa (envronmental protection agency) and nhtsa ) national highways and traffic safety administraton ? i am taking a survey if a specialty auto shop is going to be needed in manila. thanks for your responses

Cars sold here that are sold in the US are mostly compliant with EPA standards, except for the diesels... most of which don't have the urea-injection necessary to pass US standards.

Gasoline cars with stratified ultra-lean burn also don't meet US standards, but thanks to our suspect gasoline quality, manufacturers aren't keen to bring those in here, either.

Almost all new cars with electronic fuel injection, be they gasoline or diesel, are OBDII compliant.

[jick.cejoco]

thanks for the responses. i still don't have a definitive answer to the question if a specialty shop for powertrain management, body controls, and higher end technology repairs is feasible in manila

[niky]

thanks for the responses. i still don't have a definitive answer to the question if a specialty shop for powertrain management, body controls, and higher end technology repairs is feasible in manila

There is a market. The one thing that should concern you is if it's big enough to merit the investment.

Many higher end shops can do OBD scanning, and some can do ECU reflashing, both brand-specific and general. For body controls and other non-engine specific computer problems, I don't think you have the volume to ensure that such a shop would work without having some more common services to buffer up the business (oil changes, regular maintenance, etcetera).

[Ry_Tower]

thanks for the responses. i still don't have a definitive answer to the question if a specialty shop for powertrain management, body controls, and higher end technology repairs is feasible in manila

May balak ata si sir magtayo ng shop with this in mind? or meron na at addt'l service lang ito? Mahal kasi gamit for this and of course yung mga casa hindi naman basta-basta mamimigay ng programs nila for the check-up and repair.

[uls]

thanks for the responses. i still don't have a definitive answer to the question if a specialty shop for powertrain management, body controls, and higher end technology repairs is feasible in manila

what service are you offering that local casas aren't offering?

you have to keep in mind that most car owners here do not require any service that's above and beyond what casas offer

people here are pretty satisfied with casa maintenance and consider casa maintenance as the gold standard in automotive repair and maintenance

as for US emissions standards -- what's important to car owners here is their cars pass the LTO emissions test. that's it.

i don't think anybody here would say "hey, LTO standard is too low. Gotta raise it to California standard"

[jick.cejoco]

thanks for the responses. i am not intending to compete with the dealerships nor the volume they supply, what i intend to offer is quality and trust for a lower price than the dealerships. somewhere, somebody is not satisfied with the service of some shops. it will require a little bit hefty sum of money to get the equipment but it has to start somewhere and whichever the demand is, is a good place to start. again, thanks for the responses and insight

[miked]

"hey, LTO standard is too low. Gotta raise it to California standard"

kapag ganito nangyari, maraming dedbol na sasakyan sa Pinas.....kasali nako dun.

[jick.cejoco]

to rephrase the question, where are the u.s. specs and u.s. standard cars serviced? cars with abs, climate control, active suspensions and body controls serviced? are there enough electrical specialty shops in town?

[niky]

to rephrase the question, where are the u.s. specs and u.s. standard cars serviced? cars with abs, climate control, active suspensions and body controls serviced? are there enough electrical specialty shops in town?

Qualify what you mean by "US Standard"? Because many globally marketed cars sold here have ABS, climate control and body control modules. And they are usually serviced by the casa.

If you mean high end and luxury cars, there are a few aftermarket shops that can work with the electronics.

Philippine market cars are not "third-world" compared to US market cars. In fact, we get more sophisticated diesels here than they do. Aside from most local luxury diesels here not having urea-injection like they do in the US, there is not much you can get from a US import that you can't get with the locally sold versions.

[uls]

here, if you bought your high end/luxury car from the casa, most likely you will have it serviced at the casa.

to rephrase the question, where are the u.s. specs and u.s. standard cars serviced? cars with abs, climate control, active suspensions and body controls serviced? are there enough electrical specialty shops in town?

after warranty, there are those who still bring their high end/luxury cars to the casa. others go to casa-alternative shops

as for vehicle electronics, those don't break down often. the only time there was a surge in demand for vehicle electronics servicing was post-Ondoy

if you put up a shop here, you gotta be full service. like oil change and all that. don't focus only on specialty electronics

[jick.cejoco]

here, if you bought your high end/luxury car from the casa, most likely you will have it serviced at the casa.



after warranty, there are those who still bring their high end/luxury cars to the casa. others go to casa-alternative shops

as for vehicle electronics, those don't break down often. the only time there was a surge in demand for vehicle electronics servicing was post-Ondoy

if you put up a shop here, you gotta be full service. like oil change and all that. don't focus only on specialty electronics

thanks for the justifiable response. actually, as in most auto repair shops, the money makers or the gravy jobs are in fluid service, brakes, and routine maintenance. the electrical and engine performance side is just an added plus to the shop and usually indicates a higher level of competence of its technicians. in north america, as a minimum basis for shops, the technicians voluntarily take the Automotive Service Excellence tests and the more certification or certified technicians there are in the shop, the better off it is and usually get better patronage. one of the biggest causes of mistrust of the public in an auto shop is poor diagnoses and improper repairs. sure, the gravy jobs can be done by any tom, dick or harry off the streets but the higher technical areas sets the distinction between the boys and the men

[miked]

how about tesda training then? i'm not sure of the quality and i'm also not sure if it is considered as "ASE" equivalent in Phils? but i think it is....

please kick me in the head if i'm wrong.....

[uls]

thanks for the justifiable response. actually, as in most auto repair shops, the money makers or the gravy jobs are in fluid service, brakes, and routine maintenance. the electrical and engine performance side is just an added plus to the shop and usually indicates a higher level of competence of its technicians.

yes, the basic services will pay for daily operating expenses while you're waiting for customers who need your special services

in north america, as a minimum basis for shops, the technicians voluntarily take the Automotive Service Excellence tests and the more certification or certified technicians there are in the shop, the better off it is and usually get better patronage.

we have no such thing here hehe

we don't really know how good (or bad) auto technicians are coz there's no govt agency or private firm that certifies technicians here (i don't know about TESDA. does TESDA certify auto technicians?)

there's really no way one can tell if a shop is competent or not. you have to try it yourself to find out. or hear about it from others. Shops earn their reputation by word of mouth.

there nicely "packaged" shops (well equipped, nice building, uniformed technicians) that are incompetent and there are shops located in some guy's driveway with no signage that have excellent reputation

one of the biggest causes of mistrust of the public in an auto shop is poor diagnoses and improper repairs. sure, the gravy jobs can be done by any tom, dick or harry off the streets but the higher technical areas sets the distinction between the boys and the men

or by taking advantage of customers' ignorance by overcharging them (that happens a lot)

[jick.cejoco]

ASE testing can be done online and test applications are taken up to july 11 and testing starts on july 18 and has to be completed by aug 18. pencil and paper tests registration ends on march 31 and testing dates on may 5, 10 and 12. pencil and paper tests can be had at the university of guam as the closest test location . testing applications can be done at www.ase.com

[uls]

ASE testing can be done online and test applications are taken up to july 11 and testing starts on july 18 and has to be completed by aug 18. pencil and paper tests registration ends on march 31 and testing dates on may 5, 10 and 12. pencil and paper tests can be had at the university of guam as the closest test location . testing applications can be done at www.ase.com

i don't think local auto technicians will take that test

[miked]

ASE testing can be done online and test applications are taken up to july 11 and testing starts on july 18 and has to be completed by aug 18. pencil and paper tests registration ends on march 31 and testing dates on may 5, 10 and 12. pencil and paper tests can be had at the university of guam as the closest test location . testing applications can be done at www.ase.com

planning to have one....maybe i could put it to good use someday. by online testing, do you mean that the whole test can be done using the internet alone? no personal appearance, etc? if it requires some kind of personal appearance then i have to admit, got no money now to go to abroad......i'm actually reading the site at the moment.

[jick.cejoco]

there are test preparation booklets available from ase and from mitchell's. these books actually explains and covers what you might have missed from the trade school and what was not available technology when you were still at school. good knowledge bank and prepares you to pass the certifications test

[miked]

there are test preparation booklets available from ase and from mitchell's. these books actually explains and covers what you might have missed from the trade school and what was not available technology when you were still at school. good knowledge bank and prepares you to pass the certifications test

I admit i have a murky understanding with regards to those tests....it said that you need 2 years as a service technician......i'm only a backyard DIYer. I only finished an eng'g degree....just a hobby on vehicles.