tsikot-linux club

[Jun aka Pekto]

Currently downloading the Jacklab dvd iso. Supposedly, Jacklab is the most media-friendly distro.

Enlightment has been my favorite Linux GUI through the years. So, I'll be downloading Elive 17 as well

[Jun aka Pekto]

We have cable broadband at home. It took 30 minutes to download a Linux dvd iso and around 10 minutes to download the Ubuntu cd iso. That's fast. Yet, once Ubuntu is installed and auto-updates kick in, it's glacially slow:


Sorry to rain on people's parades. But, Microsoft's and Apple's servers are nowhere this slow. This simply sucks.

[Jun aka Pekto]

This summarizes my gripes with Linux in general. Ubuntu is supposed to be one of the easier distros to live with. Yet, there still are many frustrations......

Using DVD playback as an example.... Both Vista and OSX have DVD playback built in. XP does not. But, it's a simple matter of downloading the VLC binary, installing it, and voila! DVD playback.

Attempting the same with Ubuntu yields this from VLC's web site:


This is why I feel Linux for the desktop has a long way to go still. Any tinkerer like myself can put up with stuff like this. But, many people can't and won't regardless if Linux is free. That's why most people still prefer Windows or OSX for daily use while Linux is still mainly for gee whiz or tinkering around with.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Just an update on Ubuntu 8.10 running under VMWare Server with Vista Home Premium as host......

Sound now works. I can play some video and audio files. Internet works fine (via WiFi G). Videos run smoothly. I'd say it's functional enough for my needs.

Linux is still a "gee whiz" OS for me. But, the potential is still big enough for me to be fascinated by it. I'd be stupid to ignore Linux.

[Jun aka Pekto]

It looks like VMWare Server also supports 3d-acceleration for games. I installed BilliardGL for Ubuntu. It definitely looked like OpenGL acceleration was active and played ok under virtualization.

[safeorigin]

/me hugs his fedora for being uber stable lol

[woohoo]

We have cable broadband at home. It took 30 minutes to download a Linux dvd iso and around 10 minutes to download the Ubuntu cd iso. That's fast. Yet, once Ubuntu is installed and auto-updates kick in, it's glacially slow:


Sorry to rain on people's parades. But, Microsoft's and Apple's servers are nowhere this slow. This simply sucks.

Servers shmervers.

Maybe you can further substantiate this with a similar screenshot where XP SP3 is being downloaded? The installed XP should be a freshly-installed SP2 version.

Or maybe stock Vista, then download SP1.

Then time this: Start from the time you update synaptic until all the updates are installed.

With Vista: Start the timer when you start updating until SP1 has been installed.

With XP: Start the timer when you start updating until SP3 has been installed.

This should even up the playing field.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Servers shmervers.

Maybe you can further substantiate this with a similar screenshot where XP SP3 is being downloaded? The installed XP should be a freshly-installed SP2 version.

Or maybe stock Vista, then download SP1.

Then time this: Start from the time you update synaptic until all the updates are installed.

With Vista: Start the timer when you start updating until SP1 has been installed.

With XP: Start the timer when you start updating until SP3 has been installed.

This should even up the playing field.

I'd say Vista SP1 took the longest to install and that's already having the file downloaded earlier. I recall XP SP3 didn't take that long. With Ubuntu, the download from the server was the limiting factor. Otherwise, the updates themselves were pretty speedy. I downloaded again later and I got a steady 800kb/sec. So, yup. I take back that remark I made earlier.

But, hey. I grumble all the time when things don't seem right. But once things settle down, it's "Ooops. I guess I was wrong". Happens all the time.

Of course, Vista SP1 was on a laptop with a 4200rpm SATA hard drive. XP Home SP3 was on my main desktop pc with fast 7200rpm hard drives. The Ubuntu updates were from within VMWare Server of that same laptop.

[woohoo]

I'd say Vista SP1 took the longest to install and that's already having the file downloaded earlier. I recall XP SP3 didn't take that long. With Ubuntu, the download from the server was the limiting factor. Otherwise, the updates themselves were pretty speedy. I downloaded again later and I got a steady 800kb/sec. So, yup. I take back that remark I made earlier.

But, hey. I grumble all the time when things don't seem right. But once things settle down, it's "Ooops. I guess I was wrong". Happens all the time.

Of course, Vista SP1 was on a laptop with a 4200rpm SATA hard drive. XP Home SP3 was on my main desktop pc with fast 7200rpm hard drives. The Ubuntu updates were from within VMWare Server of that same laptop.

That's more like it... A good discussion of more factors that contribute to the subject task (updating new installations of common OS'es)...

:clap:

[Jun aka Pekto]

That's more like it... A good discussion of more factors that contribute to the subject task (updating new installations of common OS'es)...

:clap:

Oh, that just me when I gripe. I may gripe about Linux. But, that's only because it has so much potential. It's just the little things which keep it from greatness.

I've used up many dvdr/cdr blanks discs in the past testing out various Linux distros. I decided to switch to virtualization software so I can use the iso images themselves and save on discs.

It's a good thing VMWare Server is free. For me, it seems to be the best of the freebies.

[overdrayv]

Ubuntu 9.04 'Jaunty Jackalope' officially released

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

[ess]

Ubuntu 9.04 'Jaunty Jackalope' officially released

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

Woohoo!!!! :D

Time to update.

[CtrlAltDel]

That's one thing I like about Linux- out of the myriad distros out there, you'll likely find one that you're comfortable with. In my case, that would be Linux Mint. I've already installed and removed from my computer Ubuntu 9.04, Mandriva 2009.1, PCLinux OS 2009, Fedora 10, Sabayon 4.1 and OpenSuse 11.1. In each case, I always find something wrong. Ubuntu and Mandriva did not respond as smoothly as I expect. PCLinux lacked the necessary package to utilize sub-pixel smoothing for fonts. Fedora had this puzzling behavior of trying to update but not getting anything. OpenSuse did not correctly detect the correct aspect ratio and size of my LCD... So on and so forth...

Figure 1: Here's a screenshot of my laptop's desktop. Linux Mint 6 installed with VMWare Server 2 running XP as as guest OS.


Figure : So long as I'm not multi-tasking on the host OS, my laptop's system resources (Aspire 4736z) are barely breaking a sweat. Plenty of muscle and speed to spare.



Not Mint. It's a quite performer, solid as a rock and plays well with software not readily available in its repos (like VMWare Server 2). Easy to maintain and quick on its feet. So it is the distro not only on my desktop but also on my laptop

By the way that VMWare Server updates the guest OS right down to the last WinXP hotfix as of 2 days ago, USB-2 enabled with sound and video all working. Guest's Internet works through the host OS's wifi connection to a router which is in turn connected to smartbro.

[woohoo]

Please tell us the specs of your laptop... the usual problems with linux on laptops are the drivers for the video (seldom), webcam, audio (very seldom), and Wifi (too often).

My Lenovo Thinkpad X61 had problems with high-speed (draft N) connections on Ubuntu 8.10, that's why I'm hesitant to upgrade to 9.04 (I've given up on 8.10, but it's still installed, available if I need it).

[woohoo]

Please tell us the specs of your laptop... the usual problems with linux on laptops are the drivers for the video (seldom), webcam, audio (very seldom), and Wifi (too often).

My Lenovo Thinkpad X61 had problems with high-speed (draft N) connections on Ubuntu 8.10, that's why I'm hesitant to upgrade to 9.04 (I've given up on 8.10, but it's still installed, available if I need it).

[CtrlAltDel]

bro, here's the specs of my laptop which I bought it at Complink but the specs sheet is more detailed at the Villman website kaya Villman yung lnk:

http://www.villman.com/Product-Detai...4736z-422G25Mn

I had no problem with Bluetooth or wifi or camera (using Skype) when I tried Ubuntu 9.04, Mandriva 2009.1, and PCLinuxOS 2009.1. Auto-detected lahat pati correct screen resolution. Gulat nga ako sa galing ng drivers ng mga distro ngayon (ang hindi lang madetect ay yung built-in mike sa ibabaw ng LCD.) This laptop is also equipped with Draft N-type wireless.

Mas gusto ko lang talaga Linux Mint. Very well-behaved, quick and easy-to-use.

By the way, if you could point me in the right direction... I would like to change the refresh rate of my laptop from 60Hz to 75Hz or 85Hz. Di ko pa kabisado manual configuration ng Linux

[CtrlAltDel]

pahabol, hehe...

I also tried Kubuntu 9.04 and a couple other new KDE distros and the common problem I meet was the connectivity to my wireless router. They detect it, present me with a connection dialog to enter passphrase but failed to connect. The only KDE based distro that worked with my laptop's wifi was Mandriva 2009.1. Now I remember why I removed it: when I tried to update it, there were quite a number of broken, corrupted packages. I could try it again after some time when they have fixed it.

Then again, by that time Mint 7 would have been released.. heheh

[CtrlAltDel]

Linux Mint 7 Final is now available.

http://linuxmint.com/

I installed it at my desktop at home, replacing Mint 6. It is very beautiful. I haven't had time to look around in earnest but from first impressions, it looks to be just as stable as usual and even more newbie-friendly.

[wowiesy]

may mga pipol here knowledgeable on VPN implementations on Linux? I've been reading the ubuntu documentation and OpenVPN docs... so far nasusundan ko naman (but I haven't tried actually setting up servers / clients).. but sa mga nababasa ko, parang wala pang nag fi fit sa use case that I have... i'm not even sure kung uubra ang VPN using linux here (or windows for that matter)..

basically the objective is to provide secure remote access to an office LAN where files and applications (client/server/) - all windows based to external (out of the office) users through the internet.

I am hoping to use Linux as a firewall / router / vpn server to expose the windows LAN... uubra kaya? the clients that will be accessing remotely are also mostly using windows desktops..

[safeorigin]

ugh, tagal ng release ng FC11