which tyres: B or M

[kimpOy]

if you're a top honcho at F1 what tyres you'll be sporting?

Bridgestone, which we all saw * air canada, it's griping power in the wet

or

Michelin, deeper grooves, have better grip on dry, extreme design

which is which???

[Litespeed]

I'd go with Michelin, Diamaris to be exact. Since I've had excellent experience with them on my 19" wheels 10" wide. Great in cornering and in changing lanes. And much sportier looking. But mostly on dry pavement use only. I maybe bias.

I have Bridgestone on my Pathfinder for winter driving. It's not the tires I am not happy with, it's the truck itself :oops:

[kimpOy]

I'd go with Michelin, Diamaris to be exact. Since I've had excellent experience with them on my 19" wheels 10" wide. Great in cornering and in changing lanes. And much sportier looking. But mostly on dry pavement use only. I maybe bias.

I have Bridgestone on my Pathfinder for winter driving. It's not the tires I am not happy with, it's the truck itself :oops:

litespeed, im not familiar with commercial tyres, rather but im refering to the ones they use at Formula One race cars

kasi last canadian grand prix, bridgestone dominate michelin in the wets on friday qualifying, but michelin reverse that notion on the saturday qualifying but the tarmac is dry.

[kevinp]

Michelins na! Bridgestone is too focussed on Ferrari. all the others are just hitching a ride. Yung bridgestones kasi develop their tyres with the Ferrari chassis in mind kaya the other teams end up suffering. sa Michelin, its the other way around. The teams build their chassis around the tyres.

If you notice sa qualifying and during the races (if there aren't too many retirements), the ferraris are usually the only two cars in the top 10 that run on bridgestones.

[logbook]

yup...i have the same sentiments as kevinp. i like michelin's philosophy compared with bridgestone....they are a bit too much a ferrari tyre supplier than anything else.

as a team boss (hehehe), my team would always be dependent on a "ferrari spec tyre" and would hamper the long term development of the overall package (aka the car)

[kimpOy]

ah ganun pala yun,

did you see kimi's tyres exploded at 200kph, before the man eating wall
good thing he's near the pit stop.

[kevinp]

onga e. bad publicity for michelin because they had 2 tyre delaminations in one race. according to pierre dupasquier (michelin F1 boss), Trulli has suspension problems which put too much stress on the tyres after his light shunt with <i dunno who>. Si kimi naman daw ran over some debris on the track.

[squala]

Generally, Bridgestones perform better in wetter, colder track conditions; otherwise it's Michelin.

Michelin collaborates with each team to which they supply tyres. They offer several tyre designs, and it's up to the teams to choose which one to fit in their cars. Bridgestone simply concentrates on the Ferrari chassis, thus offering fewer tyre designs. The other Bridgestone-shod teams will have to be lucky to come up with chassis designs similar to Ferrari in order to accommodate the tyres. :evil:

[logbook]

michelin's are upping their game this season, just take a look at qualifying and race results its mostly michelins (with the expection of the ferraris and maybe another team's car)

umaangal nga si villeneuve e, sabi nya one bridgestone team is winning while the others are catching up.....

[kevinp]

onga e. ok na talaga ang michelins ngayon compared to 2001 and 2002. Good news for Williams and McLaren! :mrgreen:

[usokpower]

Bridgestone!

Although I root for bmw williams but when it comes to tire issue in F1 I go for bridgestones.

Bridgestone tires are more reliable than Michellins. Last year the M are completely blown away by B both in dry(cold condition) and wet weather even in intermediate tires. in one occasion bmw equipped their cars in slightly used tires in order to get better grip. I also noticed ( i may be wrong) that michellins are a little sensitive when track conditions vary.

But today michellins are getting more and more competitive. It also seems that they have a slight advantage in dry conditions over Bridgestone. However, they are heavily criticized when they dont provide grip and given little credit when theyre quick.

Kaya pala kulelat ang ibang bridgestone teams. Unfair tlga philosophy ng bridgestone ah. Pero bridgestone pa rin! hehe

Anyone here have any idea how much 1 F1 tire cost?

[logbook]

ey usokpower, i see you're new to tsikot (somewhat ) glad to have you aboard :D

the cost of 1 tire? i dunno...most parts in f1 aren't really priced normally (may nabasa ako somewhere) in USD or EU.

how may "man-hours" used up in producing the item daw ang pricing e

[kimpOy]

michelins win big in the last 2 race
Europe and French GP

[splerdu]

Last year Bridgestones
This year Michellins

I don't buy the Bridgestone only makes tires for Ferrari propaganda. That was started by McLaren in 2000? when they moved to Michellin, but if you look at 2002 all of the Bridgestone shod teams did rather well. This year, Ferrari are struggling but again so are all the other Bridgestone guys. Dont forget that McLaren won against Ferrari several times in a period when both teams were on Bridgestones.

[usokpower]

logbook

thx, kotse.com ako dati (forgot my username) nandito na pala si mr otep e.

Anyways, michellins are getting stronger and bridgestone are making a lot of struggle. Now the odds are even making F1 more interesting to watch.

Regarding ferrari priority

Well having ferrari as the only ace bridgestone has up in their sleeve compared to michellin ( bmw, mclaren, renault) TOp priority talaga sila I would do the same thing if I were in their position thus good publicity.

Haha basahin nyo press con sa french gp may tanong kay MS and the question is :.

Q. Michael, without Bridgestone today would you win or would you lose. How do you think?

MS: It would be very difficult to run without tyres

[kevinp]

I still think its correct to say that Bridgestone make their tires around the Ferrari chassis because among all the Bridgestone-shod teams, Ferrari have the most tyre tests/mileage than any of the other teams. They've got an entire test team dedicated to tyre development. This is why they can give more feedback to Bridgestone and tell Bridgestone what they want from the tyre.

The other teams don't have this luxury.

[splerdu]

For the situation now I think I will agree. But not at the time McLaren switched over to Michellin. At that time, it was McLaren that was the faster team and Bridgestone would surely develop more for them rather than Ferrari. IMO It was probably propaganda by Ron Dennis to shift blame away from his team, and the underperforming Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard at that time.

[usokpower]

More news

The Williams FW25 has been plagued by chronic understeer since its racing debut and Michelin worked closely with the team to find a solution to improve the balance of the car. Michelin introduced a wider front tyre : 35,56 cm (14 inches) against 33 cm (13 inches) for the Bridgestone front tyres used on the Ferrari F2003-GA. This wider front tyre is a drawback on aerodynamics but in exchange, the balance of the car is greatly improved.

Patrick Head approved with success this new configuration while McLaren are using a slightly narrower front tyre of 13,5 inches, which is a compromise between the Williams and Ferrari solutions. It is said that Bridgestone will try this week a similar 14-inch front tyre on its F2003-GA during private testing.

Williams is also testing a new rear wing at Silverstone this week but a major mechanical component will soon be introduced on the car : a titanium gearbox. Ferrari is also using this technology for its gearbox but Williams will only use it in a Grand Prix when it is reliable, which will probably take of few months.

On the financial side, there is a strong rumour that Williams and American beer producer Anheuser-Busch of St-Louis, Missouri, are about to conclude a sponsorship agreement using the famous brand Budweiser. The contract may be confirmed before the British Grand Prix and could be for a 5-year period.