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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    that is if you believe the joining-NATO excuse

    your analogy won't apply if the real reason for invasion is -- Putin wants to take back what he believes belongs to russia

    the same way china believes taiwan belongs to china
    But his belief is wrong as we all can see Ukraine does not want to join or be under Russia anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    we were the americans' first big-time attempt at colonization, according to our history teacher.
    kaya western centric ang pinoy

    naalala ko i saw american textbooks at home when i dug thru old stuff

    parang ganito



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    But his belief is wrong as we all can see Ukraine does not want to join or be under Russia anymore.
    well did it look like Putin cared kung gusto o ayaw ng mga ukranian?

    he invaded anyway

    then your Russy spurned lover analogy doesn't apply

    it really wasn't about NATO

    it was about restoring the soviet empire
    Last edited by uls; March 3rd, 2022 at 12:17 PM.

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    #974
    To make peace, kelangan nila ng hero like Zohan.



    Sa akin lang, 2 wrongs don't make a right. American and British incursions in the past were wrong but that doesn't make this invasion by Russia right by any measure.
    Last edited by Wh1stl3r; March 3rd, 2022 at 12:23 PM.

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    #975
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    well did it look like Putin cared kung gusto o ayaw ng mga ukranian?

    he invaded anyway

    then your Russy spurned lover analogy doesn't apply

    it really wasn't about NATO

    it was about restoring the soviet empire
    Moldova is next after Ukraine



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    Last edited by Syuryuken; March 3rd, 2022 at 12:37 PM.

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    #976
    di lang naman history of past centuries

    they're still at it

    contemporary history: US/UK fabricated the WMD story to justify bombing Iraq

    that's just 1 example

    western-centric people (like pinoys) don't see those events as invasions coz western propaganda (via their influential/powerful media) painted the picture that the West are good guys fighting of evil in foreign lands

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    #977
    So hinde nga mali ang ginagawa ng Russia now, we are deflecting again na binabalik sa America and their allies.

    We ate talking what's happening now between Russian and Ukraine, bakit bumabalik nanaman sa dati?



    So if China sinugo ang Taiwan, tama lang kasi sa kanila naman yun or yun ginagawa ng china sa west Philippine Sea tama din since sa kanila naman de yun based in their history.

    So *uls hinde mo condemn ginagawa ng Russia now? Since ginagawa din naman ng America yun eh.

    Yun ginagawa ng china ok din lang shop ginhawa din naman ng America?

    Ginagawa ng america but it doesn't make it right na dapat gawin din ng Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    bully?

    who are the biggest bullies in the world?

    Russia? China?

    or the European colonizers

    the British who used to own 25% of the world



    how many millions did the Europeans kill?

    -

    coz when you're western-centric

    coz when you drank the West's Kool-Aid

    of course you'd never see Western powers as bullies
    Parang si Kag's lang ah, hindi maka-move-on.

    Yung japanese nga mas matindi ginawa sa atin as a nation kesa Spain at US in such a short time eh. Pero sa west ka talaga galit na galit. Sabagay chinese kool-aid naman iniinum mo obviously, saan ba nakakabili niyan?

    The better question is will the Russian or Chinese leadership of the world be any different? Would it be better? Judging by how the WPS is being handled by China, the answer is as clear as the disputed waters.

    Kaya if some tsikoteers does not align with your view on China's ascent and impending dominance with such candor, gets mo na din siguro bakit. And please, don't assume that all here are blind fanatics of the west. I believe majority here uses discernment on a per issue basis rather than being generalist.

    RE: my analogy, let's agree to disagree. Russy is spurned by Ukray for me. Plain and simple. Russy wants her back, she ain't having it. Kill na lang. Still not a good move imho.

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    #979
    ang sinasabi ko pag ang West nag invade ng ibang bansa ok lang (Iraq, Afghanistan etc)

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    mali daw mag invade ng sovereign nation (ukraine)

    hindi sovereign nation ang Iraq?

    double standard

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    yun din nde ko ma gets, why keep on bringing back what the west did to justify what Russia or Putin is doing right now.

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