Would you support an All Out War against the MILF and Abu Sayyaf?

[shadow]

I'm sure the comrades those fallen heroes are raring to go all out war against the MILF, gigil na gigil siguro sila ngayon kahit walang boots, bala basta sabihin sugod na iganti mga napatay na kasama. sugod lahat yan...

[Altis6453]

I guess these incidents are what the Magdalo's were raising hell over.

Soldiers dying because of the incompetence or corruption of their superiors.

It now turns out that the Army SF platoon were sent by their C.O. to Al Barka for "experience" prior to their graduation from the SF course. Naturally, having come from their SCUBA training, these guys were lightly armed and were not prepared to engage MILF regulars who outnumbered them 4-to-1 and who held the high ground in the battlefield.

Of course, you also have a firefight which lasted about 9 hours WITHOUT REINFORCEMENTS COMING from either the PA or PAF. A single helicopter gunship armed with rockets and machine guns would've worked to provide enough cover for the troops to withdraw properly.

Sheesh.

The Chief-of-Staff better look into the culpability of his senior officers in the Army WESTMINCOM.

[Monseratto]

Sino itong C.O. na ito? I wonder how long before this blows up in PNoy's face?

[chua_riwap]

Sino itong C.O. na ito? I wonder how long before this blows up in PNoy's face?

ang nasibak na 2 ata, isang col. pena & si parlade.
si pena ata yung bat. comm.
si parlade yung dating spokesman ng AFP.
sinibak for airing his "personal" sentiments of the ambush.

[vinj]

Soldiers dying because of the incompetence or corruption of their superiors.

It now turns out that the Army SF platoon were sent by their C.O. to Al Barka for "experience" prior to their graduation from the SF course. Naturally, having come from their SCUBA training, these guys were lightly armed and were not prepared to engage MILF regulars who outnumbered them 4-to-1 and who held the high ground in the battlefield.

Of course, you also have a firefight which lasted about 9 hours WITHOUT REINFORCEMENTS COMING from either the PA or PAF. A single helicopter gunship armed with rockets and machine guns would've worked to provide enough cover for the troops to withdraw properly.

Sheesh.

The Chief-of-Staff better look into the culpability of his senior officers in the Army WESTMINCOM.

Yup, they sent them into "no man's land" with their pants down. Brilliant indeed.

[oliver1013]

the man'S got a point

[shadow]

Ubusin na mga traydor! Pag ubos na saka na ayusin at improve AFP...hinde naman susugod kaagad mga soldiers eh air strike muna hanggang maging parang daga na takbo na lang ng tabo mga milf then pag pagod na sila or wala ng lungga matakbuhan saka na atajehin ng mga soldiers.

Yun collateral damages ang gagawa niyan mga sila din, magtatago yan mga gago sa mga communities or gagawin nilang shield mga civilians just to save their asses, yun mga civilians na mag support or magtago sa kanila eh dapat lang madamay. Saka sila sila rin mga yan magkakamaganak mga yan asg, milf saka mga "civilians" kuno

[Monseratto]

It's a conspiracy dude... your president has too much left wingers in his cabinet like his mother.

P-Noy advised: Be wary of coup rumors | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

P-Noy advised: Be wary of coup rumors
By CHARISSA M. LUCIOctober 23, 2011, 10:16pm

MANILA, Philippines — Several lawmakers Sunday said the Aquino government should be wary of rumors of a coup plot triggered by the supposed demoralization spreading in the military following the recent killing of soldiers by the Moro rebels in Mindanao.

San Juan City Rep. Joseph Victor JV” Ejercito said President Benigno S. Aquino III should not shrug off the rumor and address the purported demoralization sweeping the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

Ejercito also said the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) “cowardly hid under the cloak of peace talks,” in launching attacks against the military in Mindanao.

He said the plot should be looked into since the United States government is reportedly more “comfortable” with Vice President Jejomar Binay than with President Aquino.

Akbayan Rep. Walden Bello said Washington “would never dream of overthrowing P-Noy,” but advised the President to be on guard following the Basilan incident.

The President has “to show that he is in command of the AFP and make sure that the peace process would not be sabotaged,” Bello said.

Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan disagreed with Bello, and said “the scenario that the US will meddle again in Philippine affairs is a possibility and to support P-Noy’s overthrow is a direct meddling.”

“Whether Binay is more acceptable to US or not, President Aquino should address demoralization issue without sacrificing the peace process,” Ilagan said.

[vinj]

Eto na... damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Calls to end bombings rise as 30,000 flee homes
By TJ Burgonio
Philippine Daily Inquirer
1:18 am | Friday, October 28th, 2011
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Calls for a halt to military bombings grew more strident Thursday as close to 30,000 residents reportedly fled their homes in Zamboanga Sibugay and Basilan provinces.
Mary Ann Arnado of the Mindanao People’s Caucus which organized Bantay Ceasefire, urged an immediate end to air strikes on Payao and adjoining towns in Sibugay.
“What is that all-out justice? How come there are ground strikes and bombardment? There are now more than 12,000 people displaced in three municipalities who have nothing to do with the lawless elements,” Arnado said in a phone interview from Zamboanga City.
Arnado, who hours earlier visited Payao and Alicia towns, said the “all-out justice” campaign against the lawless elements could not be served “by committing another injustice to innocent civilians who are now displaced as a collateral damage.”
In a statement Thursday, US Ambassador to the Philippines Harry Thomas Jr. said, “We fully support the ongoing peace process and hope the parties can avoid violence and continue to work toward an agreement that will provide for a peaceful and prosperous future.”
In a similar statement, Australian Ambassador Rod Smith welcomed the affirmation by both the government and the MILF to the peace process. At the same time, he expressed Canberra’s “deep concern about the recent violence in Mindanao.”
As of Wednesday, some 19,066 residents had moved out of their homes in Zamboanga Sibugay, while the number of evacuees in Basilan rose to 9,481, according to social welfare officials in Region 9.
Run for peace
In Manila, activist priest Fr. Robert Reyes, Imam Abdulbashet Marangit and Jolly Lais of the Bangsamoro Solidarity Movement aired the same call for a halt to the bombings and a return to the negotiating table.
The three, joined by Muslim youth clad in white shirts with the message “Peace is my only option,” ran for peace from Quezon Memorial Circle to Scouts Jamboree Monument on Tomas Morato Avenue in Quezon City, where they said prayers.
Reyes said the government should realize that “exterminating the enemy” was not the solution to the fresh hostilities in Mindanao triggered by ambushes of soldiers in Basilan.
Lais observed: “It’s very painful to see that civilians are suffering from the bombardment. It’s ironic that communities that have disowned the lawless elements they’re running after are suffering. What’s happening on the ground is inconsistent with the government’s all-out justice because there are many victims.”
Imam Marangit of Manila Grand Mosque in Quiapo said: “Christians or Muslims, we’re all united in our search for peace in Mindanao. The military is running after criminal groups, and there’s no need to use bombs. Pity the civilians, Christians or Muslims. Let’s stop the bombings and continue the peace talks.”
Negotiations urged
The Commission on Human Rights (CHR) on Wednesday pressed the military to halt its bombings, warning that people had been deprived of their right to lead normal lives.
“These particular acts of the military resulted in violations of economic and social rights of the people,” the CHR said in a statement.
It warned that an “all-out war” would only result in mass human rights violations, more internally displaced communities and a perpetuation of the generational cycle of violence in Mindanao.
“In particular, the CHR strongly condemns the atrocities of the rogue elements under international humanitarian law,” it said, referring to the 19 soldiers killed last week. Six of the soldiers were captured, executed and their bodies mutilated, it said.
The CHR called on the government and the MILF to “come to the negotiation table in good faith and with genuine peace as the utmost objective” and commit that “no similar incident will ever happen again in the future.”
Human trafficking
The Pasay City-based Blas F. Ople Policy Center on Thursday appealed to the government to provide emergency employment and livelihood assistance to the displaced families.
Former Labor Undersecretary Susan Ople, president of the center, said in a statement that the escalation of hostilities would lead to an even higher incidence of human trafficking in the region. With reports from Jerome Aning and Jerry E. Esplanada

From: Calls to end bombings rise as 30,000 flee homes | Inquirer News

[chua_riwap]

^ tang'nang mga human rights yan. naglabasan na sila!

noong pinatay yung 19 na sundalo, asan ang boses nila?
asan yung human rights ng sundalo?

[niky]

^ tang'nang mga human rights yan. naglabasan na sila!

noong pinatay yung 19 na sundalo, asan ang boses nila?
asan yung human rights ng sundalo?

Uh... read the article:

“In particular, the CHR strongly condemns the atrocities of the rogue elements under international humanitarian law,” it said, referring to the 19 soldiers killed last week. Six of the soldiers were captured, executed and their bodies mutilated, it said.

[oliver1013]

Hehe ang hirap maging presidente....

Kaya talaga dapat mangurakot para sulit eh...

[Ry_Tower]

^ Pasaway. There are no winners in war kasi talaga, but it is necessary sometimes. Hindi yan naiintindihan ng mga taga-CHR kasi manhin ata sila sa katotohanan. Katotohanan na dahas lang gagalangin ng mga MILF, ASG na yan since hindi nga sila naniniwala sa gobyerno natin.

[oliver1013]

Whenever germany is involved in a war they always have technologically superior armaments..but they most often lose.

The supposedly subhuman russians meanwhile...

[oliver1013]

Whenever germany is involved in a war they always have technologically superior armaments..but they most often lose.

The supposedly subhuman russians meanwhile...

[eld]

Whenever germany is involved in a war they always have technologically superior armaments..but they most often lose.

The supposedly subhuman russians meanwhile...

You do realize that Nazi Germany was waging war on 3 fronts? They were defeated by sheer outnumbering. And Hitler's stupidity and megalomania. If you believe in conspiracy theories, you'd think he set up Germany to be defeated on purpose.

[Ry_Tower]

You do realize that Nazi Germany was waging war on 3 fronts? They were defeated by sheer outnumbering. And Hitler's stupidity and megalomania. If you believe in conspiracy theories, you'd think he set up Germany to be defeated on purpose.

haha, if only hitler heed the call of the likes of Gen. Erwin Rommel, we would probably be under german rule.

Hitler was a poor general as he is a very good rhetoric.

[eld]

haha, if only hitler heed the call of the likes of Gen. Erwin Rommel, we would probably be under german rule.

Hitler was a poor general as he is a very good rhetoric.

Mas maunlad, disiplinado at mas hitech pa siguro ang mundo kung Germany and Japan won. Not to mention hindi mukhang inidoro ang Pilipinas.

[ess]

Mas maunlad, disiplinado at mas hitech pa siguro ang mundo kung Germany and Japan won. Not to mention hindi mukhang inidoro ang Pilipinas.

Had the axis powers won ---
* Germany would have wiped out Communist Russia. So there would not have been a communist bloc in europe. Hitler would have pushed through with building Albert Speer's plan for the new Germania, including that ridiculously huge German version of the Arc de Triumphe in Berlin. Eugen Sanger and Werner von Braun would have achieved space flight much earlier. Ang kinakatakutan ko lang ay -- I think Goering was a bigger loon than Hitler. Goering would have succeeded Hitler.
* Japan would have wiped out China and would have probably prevented the Communists from getting a foothold there.
* Italy would still be in control of most of Northern Africa (including Libya...so no Gaddafi).
* We would still be part of the Asian Co-prosperity Sphere of Japan. And yeah, disiplinado tayo. And maybe we wouldn't need visas to go to any part of ASIA and Germany.

PERO those are just my speculations. I'm basing those on the "plans" that were documented. Malay ko kung ganon talaga yung magiging outcome ng plano nila had they won.

[safeorigin]

Izzard on World War 2 - YouTube