Virginia Tech Massacre

[uls]

Yes anyone can snap.

That security guard probably lost his religion. Something must have completely shattered his long held beliefs.

People who are chronically depressed are more likely to snap.

It's either the person will harm himself or harm others.

[empy]

i should have known that this tragedy would turn into a debate about gun control. that is such a knee-jerk reaction...if this a-hole really wanted to commit mass murder he could find a way...fertilizer bombs, arson, chemicals, whatever. i'm more concerned with what's happening culturally to make this stuff happen.

i've been exposed to bullying, cruelty and hate in school and in the neighborhood. all we did was beat the sh!t out of each other behind the school and everyone would live to fight another day...

[Jun aka Pekto]

Most gun control advocates merely want regulation in the same vein as registration of a vehicle or a driver's license. Unfortunately, most gun advocates, esp the NRA, say these regulations will lead to total loss of gun ownership which really isn't true as of yet.

That's why I'm for gun control. I'm a gun owner and I'll never be a member of the NRA. It's hard to tell if stricter gun laws would've made a difference in this latest massacre. If I was hell-bent on killing somebody, I have the contacts to obtain the guns I needed and these people aren't out in the open like where Cho got his. If there weren't so many gun shops out in the open, maybe Cho may not have been able to get those guns.

I don't know. I have no clue how resourceful he was.

But, I rather have stricter gun regulations in place and shut the trap of these people in the media who don't have a clue except to react and sensationalize.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Those eyes...... chilling to the marrow.

Why am I so interested? It's because I see a mirror image of myself during my last 2 years in RP. No GF, repeated rejections, double standard by my parents on how I was treated and how my sister was treated. I was angry, he was angry. Coming back here to the US cured me. Maybe if Cho went back to Korea and had a change of surroundings, he may have been too.

[empy]

gun control is ok in my book. register and regulate them. have strict waiting periods and ban felons from having them.

but don't use them as an excuse or reason why human garbage like that do the things that they do.

[wren]

OT lang minsan maganda rin yun nangyari para maramdaman din nun mga kano yun feeling ng mga iraquis na namamatayan ng mga family...

+1 they feel they're invulnerable. though very tragic on the part of
the innocent civilians. dose of their own medicine imo.

wow....i'm speechless.

[theveed]

hehe takot nanaman mga kano sa orientals nyan hehe.

[StraightSix]

Just saw on the news the video manifesto the guy sent to NBC after the first shooting. It was a disgusting glimpse into his twisted mind.

"Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ ..."

The video was full of hate. He blamed everybody except himself.

[luckystriker]

Natatakot na yung mga Korean-American students. May mga nagsisalisan na to avoid a possible backlash.

i sincerely hope that there won't be mga retaliation na race-related because of this massacre

[straker]

He had an automatic pistol, did he bought a couple of them? He killed 30+ and injured 30 or more, which means he's walking around with maybe 70rounds of ammo...for quick loading, he had 7 clips or more. Most pistols can carry 10-12 rounds, I think.

Kung naka revolver lang siya, some braver students who held out (if they survive the initial volley) could jump on him after the 6th shot.

Would it be wise to consider for schools to do simulated drills, to allow students to survive, and, if possible, overpower the assailant?

[mbeige]

+1 they feel they're invulnerable. though very tragic on the part of
the innocent civilians. dose of their own medicine imo.

Would you like this to happen in your own backyard? I'd like to think you meant this was a result of their own doing, rather than mean something like "serves them right".

But still, it was one problematic person who was depressed and could not cope with his problems.

Originally Posted by shadow
OT lang minsan maganda rin yun nangyari para maramdaman din nun mga kano yun feeling ng mga iraquis na namamatayan ng mga family...

The thing is, you don't know if the victims harbored anything against Iraqis and if they were pro-war in the first place. If they were, then fine, I wouldn't have quoted you. But saying this and generalizing Americans (to be fair) and saying na "buti nga sa kanila" is just uncalled for. Like I said, what if it happened to somebody there, and somebody commented na "buti nga nangyari yon sa kanila" - how would you feel, if you were affected?

Point is, the tragedy was uncalled for and was not supposed to happen. Nobody was to be blamed, except the shooter, and maybe, just maybe, those that contributed to pushing him to do it. But we don't know for sure, and never really will, kung sino or ano yung nagtulak sa kanya to do those things. And saying that the victims deserved such traumatic experiences is just uncalled for, really.

[empy]

wow....i'm speechless.

i missed those quotes the first time i read the thread :seeth:

shadow and xto, do you guys even think before you type? what kind of goddamned comments are those????! do you think that the parents and friends of those murdered students all voted to send US troops to Iraq?

buti nga sa kanila because i don't agree with the actions of their president? congratulations for thinking like a couple of terrorists

[theveed]

One thing that truly bothers me is...

How come nobody's blaming the parents???????

Blame guns? Stupid idea blaming an inanimate object
Blame the school/security? Out of thousands of students? Saan school kang nakakita na walang "weird" or "outcast" students?
Blame the cops? For what? his "weird" actions and stalking? Since when have these been consistently linked to a mass murderer?
Blame the media/movie? So if some idiot starts slashing people you can blame Uma for Kill Bill, or if redneck starts shooting people, you'll blame John Wayne?

If the parents KNEW Cho was mentally-ill? Why send him to a college without special instructions/supervision?

If the parents DIDN'T KNOW Cho was mentally-ill, what kind of parents are they???

[XTO]

i missed those quotes the first time i read the thread :seeth:

shadow and xto, do you guys even think before you type? what kind of goddamned comments are those????! do you think that the parents and friends of those murdered students all voted to send US troops to Iraq?

buti nga sa kanila because i don't agree with the actions of their president? congratulations for thinking like a couple of terrorists

Would you like this to happen in your own backyard? I'd like to think you meant this was a result of their own doing, rather than mean something like "serves them right".

But still, it was one problematic person who was depressed and could not cope with his problems.

Quote:Originally Posted by shadow
OT lang minsan maganda rin yun nangyari para maramdaman din nun mga kano yun feeling ng mga iraquis na namamatayan ng mga family...


The thing is, you don't know if the victims harbored anything against Iraqis and if they were pro-war in the first place. If they were, then fine, I wouldn't have quoted you. But saying this and generalizing Americans (to be fair) and saying na "buti nga sa kanila" is just uncalled for. Like I said, what if it happened to somebody there, and somebody commented na "buti nga nangyari yon sa kanila" - how would you feel, if you were affected?

Point is, the tragedy was uncalled for and was not supposed to happen. Nobody was to be blamed, except the shooter, and maybe, just maybe, those that contributed to pushing him to do it. But we don't know for sure, and never really will, kung sino or ano yung nagtulak sa kanya to do those things. And saying that the victims deserved such traumatic experiences is just uncalled for, really.

wow....i'm speechless.

i’m not rejoicing to those deaths of innocent students. Nobody wants that to happen. I did think before I post and it is my personal opinion that those types of tragedies the US gov’t is facing truly reflects “some” of their atrocities “elsewhere”.

[empy]

^the US gov't that you hate is not directly facing ANY tragedies. the ones facing tragedy ARE THESE PEOPLE:



are these the people who inflicted atrocities "elsewhere"???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18143312/

tell me how they got "a dose of their own medicine"???

[creepy]

Blame guns? Stupid idea blaming an inanimate object

No one's blaming "guns". Are you?

What's inexcusable (and illogical) is comparing McDonald's and this.

[GasJunkie]

what??? what?!?! what!!!




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edit :heart: at M54

[oldblue]

so it's a classic case of mean girls/cool guys vs. geeks pala

may iniwan pala sya video denouncing the "rich brats" before he executed his plan

read from the phil. inquirer friday issue

[the_wildthing]

The guy has issues.

This has no relation to US government policy, gun control, rich kids, revenge. There is no justification for what he did.

He needed help. He just didn't get it.

I agree with theveed. Where are the parents? Did they even recognize that their son needed help?

[ogpro]

Here's another take on things, well reasoned and makes perfect sense. Worth the read:

[SIZE=2]"Signs of Intelligence?"

http://www.abcradio.com/blog.asp?id=15663

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posted by Fred Dalton Thompson on 4/19/2007 6:31:28 PM

Signs of Intelligence?


One of the things that's got to be going through a lot of peoples' minds now is how one man with two handguns, that he had to reload time and time again, could go from classroom to classroom on the Virginia Tech campus without being stopped. Much of the answer can be found in policies put in place by the university itself.

Virginia, like 39 other states, allows citizens with training and legal permits to carry concealed weapons. That means that Virginians regularly sit in movie theaters and eat in restaurants among armed citizens. They walk, joke and rub shoulders everyday with people who responsibly carry firearms -- and are far safer than they would be in San Francisco, Oakland, Detroit, Chicago, New York City, or Washington, D.C., where such permits are difficult or impossible to obtain.

The statistics are clear. Communities that recognize and grant Second Amendment rights to responsible adults have a significantly lower incidence of violent crime than those that do not. More to the point, incarcerated criminals tell criminologists that they consider local gun laws when they decide what sort of crime they will commit, and where they will do so.

Still, there are a lot of people who are just offended by the notion that people can carry guns around. They view everybody, or at least many of us, as potential murderers prevented only by the lack of a convenient weapon. Virginia Tech administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon onto campus.

In recent years, however, armed Americans -- not on-duty police officers -- have successfully prevented a number of attempted mass murders. Evidence from Israel, where many teachers have weapons and have stopped serious terror attacks, has been documented. Supporting, though contrary, evidence from Great Britain, where strict gun controls have led to violent crime rates far higher than ours, is also common knowledge.

So Virginians asked their legislators to change the university's "concealed carry" policy to exempt people 21 years of age or older who have passed background checks and taken training classes. The university, however, lobbied against that bill, and a top administrator subsequently praised the legislature for blocking the measure.

The logic behind this attitude baffles me, but I suspect it has to do with a basic difference in worldviews. Some people think that power should exist only at the top, and everybody else should rely on "the authorities" for protection.

Despite such attitudes, average Americans have always made up the front line against crime. Through programs like Neighborhood Watch and Amber Alert, we are stopping and catching criminals daily. Normal people tackled "shoe bomber" Richard Reid as he was trying to blow up an airliner. It was a truck driver who found the D.C. snipers. Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that civilians use firearms to prevent at least a half million crimes annually.

When people capable of performing acts of heroism are discouraged or denied the opportunity, our society is all the poorer. And from the selfless examples of the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 to Virginia Tech professor Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who sacrificed himself to save his students earlier this week, we know what extraordinary acts of heroism ordinary citizens are capable of.

Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense ideology. I respect their right to hold those views, but I challenge their decision to deny Americans the right to protect themselves on their campuses -- and then proudly advertise that fact to any and all.

Whenever I've seen one of those "Gun-free Zone" signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.
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