The State of Nation...

**ringostarr** · February 27th, 2008 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by JCBalunsat

It has been an issue since I can remember that the Philippines is in deep sh*t with debt and poverty is just inevitable here.
But then, why do we see luxury cars being driven (especially by MOST politicians), businessmen/women? As much as I can see, there 3 luxury cars worth more than a mil in 10 cars that you see in the streets? Isn't that odd? You also see a lot super cars (Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche) roaming around the streets of the Metro. Is this really a sign of poverty or it's just a sugar coated country?

some people are good at making money than others. it's simple as that.
that's the very essence of a democracy or a capitalistic country for that matter. if a country is 80% poor, then that shouldnt mean that all should be poor. pang komunista yan ideal na yan.

of course, the gap is widening between the rich and the poor. this looks bad pero what can we do? fair game ito. hindi naman siguro pumapatay yun pulitiko just to drive those expensive cars (like what's happening in some parts of Africa). ginagamit lang niya ang utak nya. wala naman mass killing ngaun in fact padami pa nga tayo ng padami.

who can you blame? corruption? corruption is present not only in politics/govt. but also in the family. if a dad favors an elder son, then that only means may nagagawa ang elder son sa kanya (be it emotional security, financial security, morale security, or just satisfying his father ego) more than his other sons/daughters. that's corruption also.

**1D4LV** · February 27th, 2008 03:06 PM

imho... in every country or society, there are rich people and there are poor people. in fact, this economic gap in the society already existed during biblical times.

the only thing i really hate thinking is some of the rich guys here in the Philippines and specially those people who are in the government get their money by robbing the middle age folks as well as the poor people and use the money to make their lives more comfortable and high profile. di bale kung yung perang ginagamit nila (like the legit businessmen like Sy, Yuchengcos, the Ayalas, etc.) eh galing sa legit business eh.

i pay more than 38% in my taxes (wala akong choice, deducted sa salary ko...) and i pay taxes when i register my car (road users tax), when i gas up, do groceries, eat out (VAT), and even when i watch a movie (local entertainment tax). in fact, even the interest rates of my deposits are being taxed, and i see people getting money where i would want them to see (education, infrastructure, healthcare) ended up in the pockets of these individuals who live in houses where my house looks like a maid quarter and drive luxury vehicles which box me off the road dahil may mga escorts and wang-wang sila. dun ako nafrufrustrate.

i have to admit that corruption is everywhere. yung iba lang, medyo hindi garapal. i know it exists even in the United States or in Canada, but at least, the basic needs of the people are met, and kung meron man, hindi garapal.

but of course, if we live in a socialist or communist society, it could have been worst...pero at least, people's basic needs there are provided (except North Korea, i think....)

so what do we need to do now? even though we call for GMA's resignation, its the culture and the system which needs to be changed.

but as a person occupying a key place in my company's business and operations, this unrest will not help.

as an individual with interests in stocks, equities and mutual funds, this also does not help.

so ang nangyayari dito ngayon, lahat talo. talo ang business, talo ang investors, talo ang consumers, talo ang mga OFW's, talo ang bayan. sino ang nananalo? ang mga nakaupo. may pera na sila, lumalaki pa ang pera nila. as far as i know, ang mga politicians natin (with exception to a few), have overseas bank deposits. and their money is still getting bigger from these deposits, tapos may mga ninanakaw pa sila. their riches can last their families for at least four generations na.

haay nako... frustrated na naman ako.

**xoom** · February 27th, 2008 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by ringostarr

some people are good at making money than others. it's simple as that.
that's the very essence of a democracy or a capitalistic country for that matter. if a country is 80% poor, then that shouldnt mean that all should be poor. pang komunista yan ideal na yan.

of course, the gap is widening between the rich and the poor. this looks bad pero what can we do? .fair game ito hindi naman siguro pumapatay yun pulitiko just to drive those expensive cars (like what's happening in some parts of Africa). ginagamit lang niya ang utak nya. wala naman mass killing ngaun in fact padami pa nga tayo ng padami.

who can you blame? corruption? corruption is present not only in politics/govt. but also in the family. if a dad favors an elder son, then that only means may nagagawa ang elder son sa kanya (be it emotional security, financial security, morale security, or just satisfying his father ego) more than his other sons/daughters. that's corruption also.

ipupusta ko ang pinakahuling turnilyo ng oto ko, this is a classic OB argument

**bayonic** · February 28th, 2008 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by 1D4LV

i pay more than 38% in my taxes (wala akong choice, deducted sa salary ko...) and i pay taxes when i register my car (road users tax), when i gas up, do groceries, eat out (VAT), and even when i watch a movie (local entertainment tax). in fact, even the interest rates of my deposits are being taxed, and i see people getting money where i would want them to see (education, infrastructure, healthcare) ended up in the pockets of these individuals who live in houses where my house looks like a maid quarter and drive luxury vehicles which box me off the road dahil may mga escorts and wang-wang sila. dun ako nafrufrustrate.

very well said !

if we want change we should start with ourselves , our children....
and we should never fail to show our disgust and contempt to those A**HOLES in our government who are robbing us and our country blind.

OSTRACIZE THEM !

**Lucius** · February 28th, 2008 12:18 AM

Ako na lang sana naging only son ni FG and GMA. Sarap siguro nun, walang kapatid. Wala na ko paki sa kanila sabihin ko "Mom I will leave the country na, bye." Kasama ng mana ko, sarap nun

**H1Tman** · March 6th, 2008 10:07 AM

A lot of times I think we deserve the kind of government we have now. And the saddest part is I don't know if we can still change as a nation.

**uls** · March 6th, 2008 12:27 PM

The Freakin State of the Freakin Nation:

Rich: What's new? Getting richer parin. Standard of living keeps on improving. Demand for exclusivity driving demand for imported luxury automobiles (Who wants to be seen in regular a car?) Travel, travel, travel...weak dollar makes travel abroad less costly. In trickle-down-economics... these people get the trickles first... di pala trickles... buhos.

Working Class/OFW families: Wages are stagnant, cost of living is rising. OFWs: Less pesos for every dollar. Having hard time making ends meet, having hard time sustaining lifestyle... either cutting back on unnecessary spending or borrowing money to sustain lifestyle.

Poor: Forget about it. 1 meal a day is considered a good day. Surviving is a daily struggle.

**boydapa** · March 6th, 2008 02:01 PM

o ayan sinulat na ni uls^ up! that is the state

kawawang ofw sila na nga biktima ng kahirapan d2 kaya umalis ng bansa para makasweldo ng matino sila pa din biktima dahil dugo at pawis nila ang pinagmamalaki ng gobyerno kaya daw gumanda ekonomiya natin----GINISA BA SA SARILING MANTIKA!

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ringostarr

of course, the gap is widening between the rich and the poor. this looks bad pero what can we do? fair game ito. hindi naman siguro pumapatay yun pulitiko just to drive those expensive cars (like what's happening in some parts of Africa). ginagamit lang niya ang utak nya. wala naman mass killing ngaun in fact padami pa nga tayo ng padami.
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mali ata ang term na ito fair game ba dito? this country is ruled by oligarchs both economically and politically. halos walang say ang 80% na poor dito sa bansang ito sa sa distribution of wealth, pagawa ng batas, pag pipirma ng mga kurakot na kontrata, sa justice system etc etc. that is not a fair game. pwede maging fair yan basta hwag mo tawaging democracy yan.

oo totoo wala nga mass killings pero marami naman namamatay sa gutom at nagpapakamatay sa gutom. mass hunger ang nangyayari dito! so medyo mali yun argument na ganun think about it

**uls** · March 6th, 2008 04:24 PM

Yung kinaganda ng economy natin di pa nag-trickle down to the working class and poor.

matagal-tagal pa yan...

**claRkEnt** · March 6th, 2008 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lucius

Ako na lang sana naging only son ni FG and GMA. Sarap siguro nun, walang kapatid. Wala na ko paki sa kanila sabihin ko "Mom I will leave the country na, bye." Kasama ng mana ko, sarap nun

sabi nga ni Salceda, GMA is a lucky B*TCH...

...consequently, you will now be the luckiest SON of a B*TCH.

Originally Posted by uls

Yung kinaganda ng economy natin di pa nag-trickle down to the working class and poor.

matagal-tagal pa yan...

aptly termed... TRICKLE... talagang trickle na lang mararamdaman sa ibaba dahil sinahod na lahat ng mga nasa itaas.