Scrap the VFA?

[oldblue]

Huh??? Really???



People should not need to show off their uniforms and passport to be able to stand tall. Americans are NOT superior to anyone else, let me remind you

americans are not superior naman. but they do have the firepower. and in the world we live in, it's all that matters. and we need them as big brother coz we certainly cant depend our national security to our very own politicians and generals. these pinoy politicians and generals realize this too, that's why they are always one step ahead. Mayroon na din sila retirement mansion sa US

kaya lang nakikigulo kuno ang mga yan to get favors from the US Embassy.

[Karding]

Huh??? Really???

The basic reason for law is morality and not the other way around.

Are we arguing about the morality of the VFA or the legality of the VFA?

You should have taken my advice, breathed deeply and thought more carefully before posting. Be careful with braggadocio and bigotry.

Only because our opinions differ, you are tempted to call me or called me a braggart. How shallow is that? And if that's the case, then you better watch out yourself because you are the one who dont seem to welcome my opinions. A clear definition of the bigot who's intolerant of any opinions differing from your own.

I was just being honest. But I guess you weren't ready for my honest answer. As I've said on my very first post, mahirap magsalita dahil hindi ko makag-anak ang alleged victim. But I was just using the VFA outline as a reference to know if the US demand on the custody is legal or not.

People should not need to show off their uniforms and passport to be able to stand tall. Americans are NOT superior to anyone else, let me remind you

I apologize if you seem to have had a "personal" experience with a servicemember who likes to showoff. But please do not generalize the servicemembers.

Americans are not superior, I respect your opinion. But Filipinos like you are the ones who love to label and 'assume' that Americans are superior.

[creepy]

Are we arguing about the morality of the VFA or the legality of the VFA?

We are talking about the VFA. That's not hard to understand, is it?

Only because our opinions differ, you are tempted to call me or called me a braggart. How shallow is that?

I notice that you seem to have a penchant (as evidenced by many of your posts) to act like a superior American. Alam namin na proud ka na Americano ka, pero huwag mo namang ikahihiya na pinanganak kang Pilipino.

I was just being honest. But I guess you weren't ready for my honest answer.

I am ready for any HONEST answer. I just don't appreciate CONDESCENDING answers.

Americans are not superior, I respect your opinion. But Filipinos like you are the ones who love to label and 'assume' that Americans are superior.

I just said that Americans are NOT superior. But the U.S. government certainly tries to act that it is superior by bullying weaker countries.

I have absolutely nothing against fair-minded Americans. I am sure many of them are ashamed of what their government is doing. I just hope you can become one of them.

[valvura]

Update:

VFA on ‘hidden agenda’ of Hillary's RP trip - Miriam
11/08/2009 | 08:25 PM
(Updated 9:57 p.m.) Lobbying to retain the controversial RP-US Visiting Forces Agreement looms as part of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's so-called "hidden agenda" during her visit to the Philippines this week, Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago said on Sunday.

Santiago, who chairs a congressional oversight committee on the VFA, said the former US First Lady may ask President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to disregard the Senate resolution seeking for a review or abolition of the agreement.

“Bakit ka pa pupunta rito at bakit tayo masyadong excited na darating sya rito? Pupunta yan dito dahil sa VFA resolution ng Senado. Gusto nila manatili ang Amerikano sa ating bansa," she said in an interview on dzBB radio.

(Why will she come here and why are we so excited about her visit? She will come here because of that VFA resolution. She wants the Americans to stay in the Philippines.)

"Misconstrued"

The Department of Foreign Affairs meanwhile denied that the DFA is among the agenda of Clinton in her visit to Manila.

DFA spokesperson Ed Malaya told GMANews.TV over the phone that Clinton has no agenda other than what she said, which was to express solidarity to the country’s typhoon victims.

“There is no reason to misconstrue that. There is no rhyme or reason for it to be misconstrued," Malaya said.

Malacañang said Clinton will meet with President Arroyo to discuss the 2010 automated elections, wherein the Philippine leader would assure the US official that the exercise would be honest and orderly.

"Concerned"

Santiago said the US is "concerned" about Senate Resolution 1356, which she drew up.

“Di naman sa natatakot sila kundi (They are not afraid but) they are concerned about it. And I’m afraid they will pressure our president to disregard the resolution of the Philippine Senate. Nakakahiya naman kung ganoon (That would be a shame)," she said.

The resolution seeks a review of the VFA and termination of the accord if the review is denied

Santiago said the US may threaten to bring down trade quotas and impose other sanctions to pressure the government to retain the VFA. “Babalikan tayo ng US, ang trade quotas bababa. Basta magpaparamdam sila na ayaw nila sa ginawa natin."

(The US will likely threaten us with payback. Our trade quotas may go down. The US will make us feel the consequences of junking the VFA.)

Clinton will visit the Philippines November 12 and 13 before going to Singapore for an Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) meeting.

Flawed accord

Senate Resolution 1356 said the VFA’s fatal flaw is its failure to specify the period of stay of visiting forces and the failure to define what are the ‘activities’ that they can engage in while in Philippine national territory.

VFA became controversial anew following reports that not only US soldiers have been overstaying in Mindanao but are also participating in combat operations against local insurgent groups.

Santiago pointed out the VFA had failed to clarify matters in incidents such as a shooting incident involving US troops in Jolo, Sulu last September 14.

According to her, the US troops are virtually “embedded in our armed forces," on pretense that they are training Filipino troops or giving military advice.

Santiago rejected claims that the US troops were merely firing in self-defense, which she said is the first defense of any “idiot" before a criminal court. - with Sophia Dedace and Joseph Holandes Ubalde, GMANews.TV

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/176538/v...rp-trip-miriam

[jonski]

Sureeeeeee scrap VFA pero wag sila mag makaawa sa US kapag meron sila nakita na naka display na Chinese flag sa Kalayaan Island.

[donbuggy]

BREAKING: Philippines officially terminates VFA with US | Inquirer.net
by Darryl John Esguerra
February 11, 2020

MANILA, Philippines — The Philippines has officially sent the notice to terminate the Visiting Forces Agreement to the United States.

Malacañang on Tuesday confirmed that the notice has been signed by Foreign Affairs Secretary Teodoro “Teddy Boy” Locsin, Jr. and sent to the US government on the same day.

“The President directed Executive Secretary Salvador Medialdea to tell Secretary Teddy Boy Locsin of the Foreign Affairs to send the notice of termination to the US government last night. And the Executive Secretary sent the message to Secretary Teddy Boy Locsin, and the latter signed the notice of termination and then sent it to the US government today,” Presidential spokesman Panelo told a press briefing.

According to Panelo, the termination will take effect after 180 days from now.

[Devastator]

All this because of Bato's cancelled visa. Tsk tsk.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Dunno how to feel about this. On the one hand it seems like the VFA was only ever used against us. Rapes and murders carried out by American servicemen and no justice. "Supposedly" they help during disasters, but the last time that happened PNoy's incompetence hobbled relief efforts so much they were hardly effective, all so his allies could pose for the cameras.

If it comes to a hot war with China 100% sure the US will not intervene in our favor. Too much disadvantage for them, and even without the VFA we still have the Mutual Defense Treaty. I guess I'm actually leaning toward seeing this as a "good" thing. Our society's perception is just so skewed na masyadong bilib sa kano. We trust America more than even their closest allies.

[kagalingan]

panis kayo sa post ni dr kamiya,

napansin ko mga doctor sa tsikot eh magaan ang loob ko.

kung gusto ituloy visiting forces agreement eh dapat ayusin yan may baguhin na dapat fair or advantage sa pinas. Asian century na ngayon so dapat pabor na sa pinas.

pero kung matigas si trumpo eh scrap na yan.

[Ottoman]

What will happen to PH military if the VFA is terminated?

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[2lits17]

ano mangyayari kay Pemberton, deretso na siya sa bilibid?

masaya na china niyan sa pilipinas.

bingong bingo tayo sa china:

NCOV casualty is only 3 despite na ang daming chinaman sa pinas
Temporary BAN ang Taiwan since PH is considering Taiwan as part of China.
VFA cancelled
whats next?

[kagalingan]

napanuod ko sa news. Tiklop naman si trumpo gusto daw isave yung vfa pero tigas ni presdu.

Paano ba yan cathey. Kung ayaw ng america bakit nakikipagusap pa. Ang tunay na powerful dapat astang powerful.

[Yatta]

napanuod ko sa news. Tiklop naman si trumpo gusto daw isave yung vfa pero tigas ni presdu.

Paano ba yan cathey. Kung ayaw ng america bakit nakikipagusap pa. Ang tunay na powerful dapat astang powerful.

Dahil kwento ni Digong? Just like his stories of Trillanes' Singaporean bank accounts or his ***ual prowess? Trump has more important things to do than grovel in front of Digong. And he's certainly not the grovelling type either.

#gullible

[kagalingan]

geo yatta,

manuod ka news kasi pati american embassy nagsabi meron daw meeting about sa vfa this march.

[shadow]

geo yatta,

manuod ka news kasi pati american embassy nagsabi meron daw meeting about sa vfa this march.

Scheduled talaga yun.


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[Yatta]

geo yatta,

manuod ka news kasi pati american embassy nagsabi meron daw meeting about sa vfa this march.

Oh sa March! Except its only February. So asan yung sinasabi mo at ni PIDUTS na nag-usap sila ni Trump? So PIDUTS is also a time-traveller now? And what is there to meet about if PIDUTS already terminated it unilaterally?

BTW rearrange PIDUTS and you get STUPID.

[dr. d]

scrapping the vfa is one thing.
learning to stand up on our own, is something else.
my opinion.

[Monseratto]

If a Marawi City type siege happens again... I don't like the AFPs chances. Laki pakinabang yung intelligence gathering ng mga Kano at yung use mga precision weapons.

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[Monseratto]

Then DU30s praising the China provided weapons alledged to have killed Maute brothers while covering the fact that it was a Israeli Ebit RCWS mounted on a US supplied M113 that did the job.

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[EQAddict]

My 2 cents....


During Yolanda....it was the heavy lift capability of the US transport planes and their Osprey helicopters from their amphibious landing ships that were critical in the early stages of helping our poor countrymen. Dont forget that. China sent nothing for the first 2 weeks but the USA was here almost immediately. That action saved countless lives.


Lets not even talk about the first rate intelligence gathering that aided us in Marawi and in other recent counterinsurgency ops during this administration.


Im neither pro usa nor a rabid du30 fan but i can say this:


How many troops has our country sent to the USA for any aid or disaster? How much have we spent to help them? ZERO

How many american dollars and soldiers have actually been here and aided us? A hell of a lot more. And their actions actually save lives. Yet we want to focus on inequities.......

If this agreement is one sided, then you can bet the other side of the world views it as one sided as well. One takes the other one gives.



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