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January 27th, 2006 04:21 PM #11Originally Posted by creepy
sovereignty? meron ba talaga nakakaintindi sa tin kung ano ibig sabihin nito?
we have politicians, executives, businessmen who are working their butts off to achieve the American Dream - live in America with lots and lots of retirement fund so as not to work again for the rest of their lives.
we have movie houses where majority of cinemas have hollywood movies and where select local movies, mosty made by giant networks ABS or GMA are shown.
we have a military who pockets their yearly budget to feed their families than buy what is needed to protect our sovereignty.
even rice is cheaper to get from China than from our local farmers.
nowadays, if we have politicos who claim they are nationalists or they love their country so much, they're just considered grandstanding.
tingin ko ang mga true-blooded nationalists na lang ngayon, eh yun mga tao
na nagtatrabaho sa BSP saka sa National Security. but even they wont go that low na maki-ride on sa scrap VFA coz of rape case controversy.
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January 27th, 2006 04:30 PM #12Originally Posted by Karding
Unless the U.S. government (and the near-sighted people living there who don't give a d**n about offending weaker countries) realizes this, you cannot blame people for becoming angry.
Please take a deep breath and think carefully about what you write -- and ask yourself if what the U.S. is doing is something you (as a human being first and U.S. citizen second) would be proud of.Last edited by creepy; January 27th, 2006 at 04:36 PM.
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January 27th, 2006 07:14 PM #13Originally Posted by CoDer
Originally Posted by Karding
Good luck na lang sa Pilipinas over the custody battle. Even the Italians weren't succesful when they demanded custody of the Marine jet crew who killed 20 skiers, even if they're hosts to a US base at Aviano.Last edited by StraightSix; January 27th, 2006 at 07:27 PM.
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January 27th, 2006 08:28 PM #14
vfa has already been ratified by the Philippine senate BUT has not yet been ratified by the US senate.
so what needs to be scrapped when there is no treaty to speak of? the treaty is only binding if both governments ratify it. since the US has not yet ratified the vfa then they can in fact say "aahhh, what treaty?" so can the philippine government if it wants to.
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January 27th, 2006 08:34 PM #15
Well, akin ok lang tanggalin ang VFA, wag lang hihingi ng tulong sa US pag sinugod/bully ng ibang nations like China
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January 27th, 2006 10:42 PM #16Originally Posted by yebo
Article IX: Duration and Termination
This agreement shall enter into force on the date on which the parties have notified each other in writing through the diplomatic channel that they have completed their constitutional requirements for entry into force. This agreement shall remain in force until the expiration of 180 days from the date on which either party gives the other party notice in writing that it desires to terminate the agreement.
theveed, regarding US response to an attack on the Phil. from an external enemy, isn't that covered by the RP-US Mutual Defense Treaty? Bullying is not covered, I think
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January 28th, 2006 01:52 AM #17Originally Posted by creepy
If the same actions isnt right? then why the heck those Pinoy politicians signed and agreed to it. Dont tell me the US forced them to. [?]
The last time I checked, US practices utilitarianism as opposed to deontologist.
See, those politicians are now opposed to VFA are just looking for a scapegoat for the mistake they made. What else is new!!!
Please take a deep breath and think carefully about what you write -- and ask yourself if what the U.S. is doing is something you (as a human being first and U.S. citizen second) would be proud of.
Its about time we have an interesting discussion again in tsikot as opposed to threads started early this week :evillaugh
StraightSix, Marines yata ang talagang may bad rep kahit anong bansa. I know Phil Marines in Basilan/Mindanao are dubbed as rapist as well. (1980s)
Some servicemembers couldnt stand the military (not because of morals but because they're tired of having asked what to do) and will do anything just to get out. Those Marines could be on the same situation.
I remember in 1997 when the first Anthrax vaccine was admistered to US servicemembers. A part of the flight deck crew that I was working with are just tired of working in the flight deck for long hours (18+hrs shift). (out of HS kids, couldnt stand the military work). Some of them decided not to take the Anthrax vaccine and thus faced a dishonorable discharge. Damn, tuwang tuwa pa ang mga ogagz. Some of my crew even used marijuana just to get out of the military earlier than the inital enlistment of 4 years.
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January 28th, 2006 01:00 PM #18Originally Posted by Karding
The basic reason for law is morality and not the other way around.
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I think that Hitler, Eichmann et al thought of themselves as Aryan and German first before they were human. For Osama, Al-Zawahiri and the Taliban, they're clearly of the view that they're Muslim and Arabs first before they're humans.
God save us from the American version of the Taliban.
People should not need to show off their uniforms and passport to be able to stand tall. Americans are NOT superior to anyone else, let me remind youLast edited by creepy; January 28th, 2006 at 01:08 PM.
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January 28th, 2006 01:41 PM #19
i don't get it. are they talking about scrapping a whole treaty because of one clause that they didn't like and a single incident? isn't that an overreaction?
like Karding said, madaling magsalita dahil hindi ko kamag-anak yung na-rape, but i thought the Philippine government, economy and military all benefited from the VFA? correct me if i'm wrong.
wouldn't it be a better idea to pursue an amendment instead of junking the whole thing?
i have no sympathy for rapists (keeping in mind these marines are all innocent until proven guilty), but on the other hand i kinda appreciate that the US government protects its citizens when they're abroad.
btw US military justice is swift and harsh. i don't think these guys would be getting off easy if they were to be court-martialed.
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January 29th, 2006 12:08 AM #20Originally Posted by M54 Powered
I think the media/politicos/other useless third parties (i.e. communist militants) have been way too one-sided on this whole issue. Madali nga magsalita kung di ko kamag-anak yung na rape.
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