Rise of Grace Poe

[Juan Martinez]

Yes, it is true, as Plato rightly put it, the measure of a man is what he does with power. Is he the same duterte whose daughter manhandled a court employee and when asked about it recited Henley's Invictus? it smacks of megalomania. Is he the same duterte who encouraged extra-judicial killing and vigilantism? It is true davao city is relatively peaceful and clean, the statistics of petty crimes there had gone down but murder has skyrocketed, but does this justify the bill of rights going down the drain? Not too long ago we had one great mayor too who made his city one of the country's premier cities and what he had was only "tsinelas leadership". He was Jessie Robredo.
According to J Brandeis in Olmstead: Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

[Monseratto]

Duterte said in a interview with Ted Failon that the current Cory constitution is a institutional failure. He calls for a new constitution. With that I'll vote for him...

[shadow]

ayan nanaman kayo for duterte tapos pag nanalo and nakaroon ng political will. mangunguna nanaman kayo sa pagsabi ng freedom of speech, violation of human rights, come to think of it yun maiingay ngayon sa social media sila din ang mauunang magmamaktol na nawala na freedom nila

and you're crazy if you will allow yourself to be controlled by anybody. di na uso yan...

[CVT]

Yes, it is true, as Plato rightly put it, the measure of a man is what he does with power. Is he the same duterte whose daughter manhandled a court employee and when asked about it recited Henley's Invictus? it smacks of megalomania. Is he the same duterte who encouraged extra-judicial killing and vigilantism? It is true davao city is relatively peaceful and clean, the statistics of petty crimes there had gone down but murder has skyrocketed, but does this justify the bill of rights going down the drain? Not too long ago we had one great mayor too who made his city one of the country's premier cities and what he had was only "tsinelas leadership". He was Jessie Robredo.
According to J Brandeis in Olmstead: Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.

Bro.,- I respect your point of view. But without a "benevolent-iron-arm" to manage the country, we would still be drifting... I surmise that we all realize that...... Duterte may/would be an "overkill".... We need to put in the necessary checks and balances to any abuse in power.

Bottomline- We need direction and leadership; we've tried everything/everybody to lead us- dictator, housewife, military man, maka-masa, economist, tuwid-na-daan and where are we now?; our people are pushing for the rightful change and they rightfully deserve it; HOWEVER,- most of us are freeriders, and would just like to collect. The mainland Chinese would also use the excuse "We are just too many",- but this should not be our excuse for being. These people should be given the right direction and honest/profitable living.

Question to all of us here - Do we have anybody similar or at least close to our dear brother Robredo, and who has the number to win this on a national level?


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

[shadow]

Bro.,- I respect your point of view. But without a "benevolent-iron-arm" to manage the country, we would still be drifting... I surmise that we all realize that...... Duterte may/would be an "overkill".... We need to put in the necessary checks and balances to any abuse in power.

Bottomline- We need direction and leadership; we've tried everything/everybody to lead us- dictator, housewife, military man, maka-masa, economist, tuwid-na-daan and where are we now?; our people are pushing for the rightful change and they rightfully deserve it; HOWEVER,- most of us are freeriders, and would just like to collect. The mainland Chinese would also use the excuse "We are just too many",- but this should not be our excuse for being. These people should be given the right direction and honest/profitable living.

Question to all of us here - Do we have anybody similar or at least close to our dear brother Robredo, and who has the number to win this on a national level?


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

My take is why need a leader if citizenry don't care... The problem lies with us the Filipino. We just don't care.

There's really problem with the culture. Kahit sI LKY pa maging leader dito walang magyayari.

So I think we should stop blaming the leaders we had. And start blaming ourselves.

[CVT]

My take is why need a leader if citizenry don't care... The problem lies with us the Filipino. We just don't care.

There's really problem with the culture. Kahit sI LKY pa maging leader dito walang magyayari.

So I think we should stop blaming the leaders we had. And start blaming ourselves.

Good point bro.,- but how can change kick-in with approx 90% of our population ??? Worse, they have the numbers in the popular vote?

We need a change agent, in whatever form it takes.... Else, it will always be the "rule of the mob".

Vicious Cycle - break it we must.


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

[boybi]

I doubt if Robredo would have been an effective President.

This country needs a dictator, at least for the next decade, para madisiplina mga tao, the dumb voters and the corrupt officials.

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I doubt if Robredo would have been an effective President.

This country needs a dictator, at least for the next decade, para madisiplina mga tao, the dumb voters and the corrupt officials.

[CVT]

I doubt if Robredo would have been an effective President.

This country needs a dictator, at least for the next decade, para madisiplina mga tao, the dumb voters and the corrupt officials.

Agree with you bro.

"Freedom entails responsibility" and we are because of the choices we made.

Personally,- I am willing to surrender some of my freedom, to ensure that we have a better country for our children ....

I just hope that everyone is willing to put in his/her rightful share of sacrifices for a better country.

Change always comes at a price!

And please, STOP POLITICKING (and its FVCKING CORRUPTION) and BE ONE NATION !



"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

[Flipo]

Is a Filipino Lee Kuan Yew desirable?
DEMAND AND SUPPLY By Boo Chanco (The Philippine Star) | Updated March 25, 2015 - 12:00am
Both FVR and Deng Xiaoping were reported to have minimized the breathtaking accomplishments of Lee Kuan Yew by pointing out Singapore only has five million people. Yes, there are more complicated problems here and in China but they still sound like sour grapes to me.

Lee Kuan Yew is about a leader with a vision, the determination and pragmatism to see the vision become reality against great odds. It is about leading by example, a selfless dedication to the good of one�s country with little or no thought of personal gain. It is about strategic thinking and how to move one�s country amidst stiff competition and changing times.

An article in Foreign Policy calls LKY a political streetfighter more respected than loved. FP also describes Singapore�s economic miracle as perhaps the most miraculous.

�In a small, speck of a country cast off from Malaysia in 1965, without natural resources or a common unifying culture, Lee accomplished more in a generation than anyone thought possible.�

Some of our politicians say LKY was successful because he had dictatorial powers. True but Marcos had dictatorial powers too.

The big difference is that LKY was honest, had integrity. He used his powers to discipline his people into thinking of common good above self interest. Marcos used his powers to enrich himself and his cronies.

There was a time when I suggested, not just in jest, that we should hire LKY after his retirement to help us replicate what he has done for Singapore. Maybe we could offer one of our smaller islands, Masbate, Romblon or Marinduque as a laboratory for LKY to try to replicate what he did in Singapore. I wanted to rule out any inherent cultural malady that prevents us from aspiring for First World status.

Unfortunately, LKY himself thinks culture has a lot to do with Singapore�s success. In his book, �From Third World to First: Singapore and the Asian Economic Boom�, LKY points out how Singapore succeeded while we failed:

�The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged the country for over 20 years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics...

�Some Filipinos write and speak with passion. If they could get their elite to share their sentiments and act, what could they not have achieved?�

Bull�s eye! Lee Kuan Yew saw the problem: our parasitical elite. �The people at the top, the elite mestizos, had the same detached attitude to the native peasants� in their haciendas�

�They were two different societies: Those at the top lived a life of extreme luxury and comfort while the peasants scraped a living, and in the Philippines it was a hard living� They had many children because the church discouraged birth control. The result was increasing poverty.�

What�s worse, LKY noted, �millions of Filipino men and women had to leave their country for jobs abroad beneath their level of education.�

But LKY respected the quality of our OFWs: �Filipino professionals whom we recruited to work in Singapore are as good as our own. Indeed, their architects, artists, and musicians are more artistic and creative than ours.

�There was no reason why the Philippines should not have been one of the more successful of the ASEAN countries. In the 1950s and 1960s, it was the most developed��

So, what�s wrong with us? For LKY, �Something was missing, a gel to hold society together�� And he thinks the transplanted American style democracy is a bad fit given our culture and our level of development.

The transcript of Fareed Zakaria�s interview of LKY way back in 1994 reveals LKY�s way of thinking. In gist, culture is destiny for Mr Lee.

FZ: Would it be fair to say that you admired America more 25 years ago? What, in your view, went wrong?

LKY: �Yes, things have changed. I would hazard a guess that it has a lot to do with the erosion of the moral underpinnings of a society and the diminution of personal responsibility.

�The liberal, intellectual tradition that developed after World War II claimed that human beings had arrived at this perfect state where everybody would be better off if they were allowed to do their own thing and flourish. It has not worked out, and I doubt if it will��

On the other hand, LKY pointed out �Eastern societies believe that the individual exists in the context of his family. He is not pristine and separate. The family is part of the extended family, and then friends and the wider society. The ruler or the government does not try to provide for a person what the family best provides...

�...There is a little Chinese aphorism which encapsulates this idea: Xiushen qijia zhiguo pingtianxia. Xiushen means look after yourself, cultivate yourself, do everything to make yourself useful; Qijia, look after the family; Zhiguo, look after your country; Pingtianxia, all is peaceful under heaven. We have a whole people immersed in these beliefs�

�...We have focused on basics in Singapore. We used the family to push economic growth, factoring the ambitions of a person and his family into our planning. We have tried, for example, to improve the lot of children through education.

�The government can create a setting in which people can live happily and succeed and express themselves, but finally it is what people do with their lives that determines economic success or failure. Again, we were fortunate we had this cultural backdrop, the belief in thrift, hard work, filial piety and loyalty in the extended family, and, most of all, the respect for scholarship and learning��

�...If you have a culture that doesn�t place much value in learning and scholarship and hard work and thrift and deferment of present enjoyment for future gain, the going will be much slower.�

LKY�s pragmatism contributed greatly to Singapore�s success. He told the New York Times in Aug. 29, 2007:

�We knew that if we were just like our neighbors, we would die. Because we�ve got nothing to offer against what they have to offer. So we had to produce something which is different and better than what they have. It�s incorrupt. It�s efficient. It�s meritocratic. It works.

�We are pragmatists... Does it work? Let�s try it and if it does work, fine, let�s continue it. If it doesn�t work, toss it out, try another one. We are not enamored with any ideology.�

What is the cost of an incompetent government? �� asset values will disappear, my apartments will be worth a fraction of what they were, my ministers� jobs will be in peril, their security will be at risk and their women will become maids in other people�s countries, foreign workers. I cannot have that!�

Araykopo!!!

Singapore is close to my heart. My son worked there, until very recently, for six years. In my frequent visits there, I have seen a government that works, provides basic services and security for its people with the efficiency unheard of in our isles.

I know the younger generations of Singaporeans are uneasy over how they are governed. They do not fully appreciate the miracle produced by LKY. They have taken for granted a lot of things we can only dream of. They yearn for first world freedoms, choices and space.

Indeed, maybe it is time for Singapore to loosen up. The young generations demand no less. What�s wrong with chewing gum? In an era of smart phones and social media, their newspapers should be allowed more breathing space.

Even South Korea and Taiwan, both Confucian like Singapore started with authoritarian regimes but became more democratic with no damage to their growth momentum. It is time for Singapore to start trusting its own people.

Will the post LKY Singapore be as free wheeling as western societies are or heaven forbid, as exciting as ours? Or will they evolve into a society that combines the best of the east and the west in a city state less than the size and population of Mega Manila?

A Filipino LKY sounds like a wishful contradiction and more so in today�s social media world. Being a journalist under such a regime would have been frustrating if not dangerous to one�s health, the reasons I stopped being one during the Marcos dictatorship� a real downside to the LKY model. But maybe we can use a little less excitement and get a lot more things done to improve the lives of our people.

For now, I condole with the people of Singapore for the loss of their founding father� the kind of intelligent, selfless leader we not too secretly wish we have.

[shadow]

Good point bro.,- but how can change kick-in with approx 90% of our population ??? Worse, they have the numbers in the popular vote?

We need a change agent, in whatever form it takes.... Else, it will always be the "rule of the mob".

Vicious Cycle - break it we must.


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

Exactly why it's hopeless for us. I don't understand why the majority of the stupid voters comprises of squatters who doesn't pay their taxes and menace to society leeches has the say who should lead the nation and in turn the future of my children.

[TopEngine]

The failure of the Philippines is now a legacy of the Aquinos and no longer of the Marcoses

Almost 54 percent of Filipinos are under the age of 24. They were all born after 1990 and some of them became voters after 1996. By 2016 a big chunk of this group (5-10 million of them) will turn 18 and be eligible to vote as well. This is a new generation calling the political shots now in the Philippines and they are no longer beholden to the Aquino-Cojuangco feudal clan, their Yellow colours, Loser hand gestures, and hollow emo rhetoric. To them, the 1986 EDSA revolution is just another boring chapter in their school books that follows the equally theoretical (perhaps a bit more exciting) chapter on the Martial Law years presided over by former President Ferdinand Marcos.

Buried by all the vitriol lobbed by a bunch of middle-aged balding grey-haired Ateneans at their fellow alumni happening to come from this generation who glibly struck an unfortunate pose beside former First Lady Imelda Marcos is the otherwise sensible view that, hey, these kids are entitled to form their own opinion about the political landscape today. The Jesuits did not train them to think for nothin. I'll defer to Oscar Franklin Tan who wrote in his Inquirer piece Alienating youth from Edsa.

The members of the Edsa generation must accept that the members of the next are perfectly entitled to form their own opinions regarding Edsa, and will do so whether or not they choose to contribute to this. Their perspective will increasingly be not about what happened but how or even if Edsa is relevant to them today, and validly and understandably so. Painful as it might be, they are likewise entitled to reject Edsa as an unfulfilled dream.

Thing is, this elder Edsa generation should recall the way things were back in the heady years between 1983 and 1986. As they donned their yellow shirts and waved the Loser salute, they were a force to reckon with a bunch of kids back then who wouldn't and couldn't be told how and what to think by the old farts. Fast forward to today, and they are now the old farts presuming to tell the young guns what to think that the Martial Law years were eeevvvvilll years.

Old farts may take the perceived truth in that notion for granted. The trouble is, they assume that the youth think the same. Unfortunately they don't. Those who lament how Filipinos have forgotten the purported horrors of the 1970s and say that the new generation of Filipinos need to be reminded of said horrors got it only 5 percent right. There is nothing to remind this new generation because they never lived through the 1970s to begin with. Rather, the concept of the evil of the Martial Law years needs to be sold to them the way a car salesman would by allowing them to kick the tires and take the product for a test drive.

And so, good luck with that sales pitch. How does the typical Aquino fan convince today's skeptical kids to even at least have a taste of the Yellow Kool Aid? That's the challenge faced by the Old Guard who remain loyal to the Aquino-Cojuangco clan today. Thanks to the disaster that was the presidency of Benigno Simeon BS Aquino III (a disaster, that is, specially to all who are deeply-invested in that presidency), stepping up to that challenge has become just short of an impossibility.

It is made specially difficult by the ubiquity of social media today, on which are shared hundreds even thousands of photos of the way the Philippines looked back in the 1970s. Images of a country with cities that were leafy and traffic-free, populated by fresh-faced people frolicking in pristine parks form a stark contrast to the dark sooty Gothamesque Metro Manila of the 21st Century and the disaster-scorched barren hinterlands surrounding it populated by a destitute and broken people. Coming from even further back to the 1950s and 1960s are images of Filipinos standing proud as they behold the impressive arsenal that equipped what was once one of the mightiest armies in southeast Asia.
Escolta in 1956: Will Manila ever be livable again?Photo courtesy Manila Nostalgia

Worst of all, what makes it specially difficult for the Philippines aging nationalists to encourage Filipinos to salute the national colours with the same dignity and respect that harks back to the 50s, 60s, and 70s, is a Philippine President BS Aquino himself who would rather see his people salute his family's yellow colours than stand up for the ol red-white-and-blue.

The tragedy that is the Philippines, indeed. It is a national tragedy that will forever come to be regarded as the legacy of the rule of the Aquino-Cojuangco clan and no longer that of the evil Martial Law years.

[kinyo]

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sina Lacson at Poe ang gusto ng mga generals

[macsd]

Just what i have predicted in the other thread, now with Duterte out of the race, Ping is now coming out via clamor. Choosing between the devil (noggy) & the deep blue sea(mar), Ping would be a better choice.

Palitan na lang title ng thread na ito, Grace Poe for VP. After all she already stated that she ain't interested to the highest post. Huwag pilitin ang ayaw. Look at Abnoy, no where was he in the early race of 2009 but dahil namatay ang ina, pinilit ng putek, nauto si mar, the rest was history.

Maganda kay Ping, he was anti PDAF so to hell na mga sabit sa PDAF & so is DAP. Hindi cya align with Noggy, so bitay na rin ang pamilyang Nognog. He hits Abnoy when it matters, kaya tuloy sa hospital yan sa 2016. Pati na si FGMA, matutuluyan na. :grin2:

[CVT]

Exactly why it's hopeless for us. I don't understand why the majority of the stupid voters comprises of squatters who doesn't pay their taxes and menace to society leeches has the say who should lead the nation and in turn the future of my children.

Well stated bro.,- and it's a definite concern/worry for us....

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sina Lacson at Poe ang gusto ng mga generals

Si Lacson ba ay ka-alyado pa rin ni Erap baby?

Hindi ako pumirma riyan, a!?....

Signed: General Housekeeping... :hysterical:


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

[machine.pistol]

We need someone who will lead us with an iron fist. Almost everyone in this country thinks he is above the law in his own right. For example, just anyone can use a no parking street as parking space.

Singaporeans used to behave that way, I was told. They spit and relieved themselves anywhere. But look at them now.

[Juan Martinez]

Bro.,- I respect your point of view. But without a "benevolent-iron-arm" to manage the country, we would still be drifting... I surmise that we all realize that...... Duterte may/would be an "overkill".... We need to put in the necessary checks and balances to any abuse in power.

Bottomline- We need direction and leadership; we've tried everything/everybody to lead us- dictator, housewife, military man, maka-masa, economist, tuwid-na-daan and where are we now?; our people are pushing for the rightful change and they rightfully deserve it; HOWEVER,- most of us are freeriders, and would just like to collect. The mainland Chinese would also use the excuse "We are just too many",- but this should not be our excuse for being. These people should be given the right direction and honest/profitable living.

Question to all of us here - Do we have anybody similar or at least close to our dear brother Robredo, and who has the number to win this on a national level?


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

26.0K:poop:

thank you, sir. i hold your views in high esteem too. you are a very reasonable man. but i cannot in conscience be governed by a puritan, much less a tyrant. some people suggest that we need to be governed "with an iron fist". that is easy to say. they said that now we are herded by one who is "incorruptible but dumb." let me say this, i would rather be governed by a simpleton but incorruptible than by somebody who is reputed to sponsor murders like it is his cottage industry, because, we, the governed, are presumably not simpletons but we cannot be so sure we are not corruptible if we put ourselves there to govern the multitude of Filipinos. I am almost sure with all humility that, if by some strike of misfortune somebody will govern us with an iron fist no sooner he will end his first one hundred days in office than we all aleeady be calling not his resignation but a revolution against his regime.

[Monseratto]

Miriam endorses Manny Pangilinan for President, tells public not to vote for celebs
By AMITA LEGASPI, GMA NewsMarch 25, 2015 11:23am


Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago on Wednesday endorsed businessman Manuel "Manny" Pangilinan to be the next president of the country as she urged the public not to vote for celebrities.

In her speech during a leadership talk for Maynilad which is headed by Pangilinan, Santiago said the problem with democracy is that there are more poor people than rich ones and it is the poor people who decide who the leader will be.

“We must educate the Filipino public. What is it you want for the Philippines in 2016? Bakit pa maghahalalan kung walang improvement? I want you to think Mr. Manny Pangilinan for president of the Republic of the Philippines,” she said.

Pangilinan, chairman of the board of Maynilad, was in the audience when the senator mentioned his name.

Asked during the press conference following her speech if her statement was an endorsement of Pangilinan, Santiago said, “Yes it is.”

“It is people like him who should be elected to positions of leadership. It should not be people from highly publicized careers because their careers, where they are the leading celebrities, might blind them to the fact that their qualifications are sufficient for the job,” she said.

The senator said she is particularly talking about people from mass media, films, and television.

“My qualifications are: No. 1, the person should be honest but that is the most difficult qualification to determine because there is no guaranteed test for honesty in public service. Second is professional excellence, and the third is academic excellence,” she added.

Santiago also expressed hope that the Constitution will be amended before the 2016 elections to change the qualification for public office and require at least a college degree from candidates.

“Right now a person can run for President without graduating even from high school. But you cannot become a policeman unless you have a college degree, so we have to reconcile this,” she said. —KG, GMA News

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Si Lacson ba ay ka-alyado pa rin ni Erap baby?

afaik, di magkasundo yung dalawa.

Is MVP really running in 2016?

[Flipo]

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Kapag ganyan, what would prevent other groups in endorsing Ramon Ang...

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Kapag ganyan, what would prevent other groups in endorsing Ramon Ang...

[macsd]

afaik, di magkasundo yung dalawa.

Is MVP really running in 2016?

Ito po ang sagot dyan. Si Miriam lang nag endorse that is she will not run.

Manny V. Pangilinan: ‘I only think about running in the marathon’ | Inquirer News

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afaik, di magkasundo yung dalawa.

Is MVP really running in 2016?

Ito po ang sagot dyan. Si Miriam lang nag endorse that is she will not run.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/639013/manny-v-pangilinan-i-only-think-about-running-in-the-marathon