The Middle East Problem

**Monseratto** · November 17th, 2015 03:40 PM

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**badkuk** · November 17th, 2015 03:58 PM

interesting video sir.

Pardon my naivety, but assuming that the Arab Spring wasn't a US/Western plot, it seems that the Syrian mess started way before the US/Russia meddled in it, amongst the ME countries/jihadists/ethnic groups. Assad's heavy-handedness basically gave people a reason to take up arms. When the neighbors saw that Syria was in civil war, they took advantage of that weakness to carve out their own territories.

And some people are blaming the US/West for the refugee crisis? Seems like the ME had no trouble causing this mess on their own.

Given that many "players" in the war, from a purely strategic POV, wouldn't it be best to let them fight it out amongst themselves, then walk in and sweep off the survivors while they're weak/overextended?

**Monseratto** · November 17th, 2015 05:03 PM

Russia won't give up on Assad since his presence gurantee their only warm water naval base. But even if Assad does fall, the mess won't end there since there are many groups fighting among themselves. Libya is a good example what happens when no single group emerged as the victor after a dictator falls.

**machine.pistol** · November 17th, 2015 05:32 PM

Tribal mentality is not compatible with the concept of nation state and democracy.

**ClaNker** · November 17th, 2015 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by badkuk

interesting video sir.

Pardon my naivety, but assuming that the Arab Spring wasn't a US/Western plot, it seems that the Syrian mess started way before the US/Russia meddled in it, amongst the ME countries/jihadists/ethnic groups. Assad's heavy-handedness basically gave people a reason to take up arms. When the neighbors saw that Syria was in civil war, they took advantage of that weakness to carve out their own territories.

And some people are blaming the US/West for the refugee crisis? Seems like the ME had no trouble causing this mess on their own.

Given that many "players" in the war, from a purely strategic POV, wouldn't it be best to let them fight it out amongst themselves, then walk in and sweep off the survivors while they're weak/overextended?

Video=> Putin Lectures Obama on Arab Spring: “Do You Realize What You Have Done?”

Barack Obama supported regime change in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia, Libya and Syria.
Today the Middle East is a bastion of Islamist violence, poverty, and human suffering.

F*cking Obama's Arab Spring.

**safeorigin** · November 17th, 2015 06:42 PM

hah! they still blame Assad for the chemical attack at a time when he's already winning.

Syria Chemical Weapons: Who was behind the East Ghouta Attacks? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Syria civilians still under chemical attack - BBC News

in other news, Putin Confirms Egypt Plane Crash Due To Bomb Explosion, Offers $50 Million Reward For Info On Terrorists | Zero Hedge

**safeorigin** · November 17th, 2015 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by ClaNker

F*cking Obama's Arab Spring.

hehe. Putin ?Names And Shames? Obama Into Bombing Islamic State Oil Smugglers | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

**badkuk** · November 17th, 2015 07:35 PM

Again pardon my ignorance: just how did Obama pull off Arab Spring? afaik it didn't start with military action, coup, etc., people were marching in the streets. imho for somebody to pull that off, they should have had quite a deal of influence, at the grassroots at that.

On one hand he has no clue about the ME; on the other, he masterminded Arab Spring. And if he's in bed with the Saudis, etc., wouldn't those parties have advised against Arab Spring, since their *$$es are on the line if the ME destabilizes?

**unmarked** · November 17th, 2015 08:00 PM

Covert political ops ang ginawa nila jan. Damn ive been watching too many episodes ng Homeland hahaha

**niky** · November 17th, 2015 08:19 PM

To say that the United States did it on purpose assumes too much intelligence on the part of the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY

Not really anything surprising or new in this video for anyone who follows the news (and it's probably been posted elsewhere), but a comprehensive look at how American actions in the Middle East led to ISIS.