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    ^said na naman ang kaban ng pinas nyan

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    Cory Aquino spent her entire term wiping out anything and everything that bore the Marcos mark

    Nonoy carried on his mother's vindictiveness during his term

    He mounted a propaganda campaign to destroy the Marcos name (afraid of Bongbong's popularlity)

    But no matter how he tried to remind everyone of Martial Law a lot of people didn't care

    a lot of people think Bongbong is cool

    Noynoy's 6 years were all about revenge

    people will always remember how he treated Renato Corona, Gloria Arroyo etc

    it would be interesting to see what Bongbong will do when he becomes president (not if. WHEN)

    If Du30 doesnt jail Noynoy

    Bongbong will
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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    i see beyond duterte and yellow supporters

    i see society divided into 2 groups

    1. Those who hate the elites and their supporters

    2. The elites and their supporters


    Those condescending elites think they're the smartest people in the country and therefore most qualified to lead

    They think everybody else is stupid

    But unfortunately for the elites, the stupid-everybody-elses far outnumber them

    and out of spite, the stupid-everybody-elses will vote for whoever the elites hate most

    They'll vote for Marcos, any Marcos, to spite the Aquinos and the rest of the EDSA-revolution alumni

    They'll vote for Mocha to spite the so-called intellectuals who speak condescendingly of Mocha

    get it?

    this goes beyond Du30

    the tidal wave of elite-haters are coming

    no wait, the tidal wave has arrived
    Sakto sa pinaglalaban mong Duterte vs Elites:

    Dutertismo’s elitism problem

    As with any form of populism, Dutertismo divides the world into the elite and the everyday person. During the campaign, this division was relatively easy for a Mindanao mayor, an outsider from politics as usual, to foist on the electorate. Mar Roxas and his yellow ilk were hopelessly out of touch, and what the country needed was someone who swore like a sanggano. But the narrative of Duterte as defender of the downtrodden is belied by the fact that Duterte kills the downtrodden.

    Dutertismo has an elitism problem, and various mental gymnastics will be necessary to maintain the elite vs. masses binary so essential to populist politics. To continue the fiction of being simple folk, the Dutertians must consistently conjure an upper crust for them to demonize. How far can they go?

    If it wasn’t obvious last year, it is now plain that a violent war on drugs disproportionately affects the poor – a likely reason why Duterte’s popularity has dipped in the two lowest classes. As the police brutality continues, the elitism of Duterte’s authoritarian project will become more pronounced. As it stands, the Dutertians cannot be ordinary since, as the recent Pulse Asia survey shows, the majority of them are increasingly clustered in the middle and upper classes. They also cannot be ordinary, since Pulse Asia also shows that “criminality” is primarily the concern of that same upper crust. The rest of the country is thinking about economic issues like jobs.

    Those who once complained about their foes being tone deaf (“Do you dilawans know what it’s like to be a victim of crime? Do you know what it’s like for a family to be shattered by drugs?”) are now the ones detached from everyday reality: Do they know what it’s like to fear for one’s life because of police brutality? Do they know what it’s like to lose a family member from Tokhang? They call the media useless, yet do they know what it’s like to be a beat reporter who has to talk to grieving families in slum areas almost every night?

    Similar questions can also be asked of the original Dutertians. Once upon a time, Duterte’s most hardcore, his Davao constituents, could claim to know more about the effects of Digong’s policies than the imperialist Manilenos. So if they said their mayor’s intentions were pure and not psychotic, the rest of us could believe them; they brought to the table the insights of “ordinary” citizens from an underrepresented region. But, now that the terror of the war on drugs has been clustered among the poor of Metro Manila, can they continue to insist on a privileged insight into the effects of mayor-president’s policies on the average Filipino? Duterte affects everyone now.

    Being an ordinary citizen is, of course, relative: One is only an average Juan in relation to a not-so-average Juan. Many Dutertians will tell you that, the stats notwithstanding, they feel ordinary. Mocha Uson, for example, is educated and did not grow up in utter poverty, but still styles herself as a voice of the masses.

    And, indeed, many other Duertians, though not poor, rightly feel excluded. As a ka-DDS interlocutor of mine on Facebook told me, a young professional, sent to university belt college by OFW money, may not be begging in the streets, but nevertheless experiences struggles that someone like me – a graduate of Ateneo – cannot understand: finding a sustainable job, fending for relatives who are poor, feeling like the ginhawa gained could evaporate anytime soon. He added, further, that he was proud of all the San Beda lawyers in the administration, who showed that virtuous public servants could not be limited to graduates of elite, “yellow” law schools like Ateneo and UP. He then chastised me for making fun of Solicitor General Calida’s English (in my defense, his prose is a testament to vacuity of ‘Panyero-speak).

    Precarious middle class

    There are certainly many kinds of Dutertians, but a significant number of them view themselves as part of a large, emergent, but precarious middle class. As early as the campaign period, Julio Teehankee already pointed out that Dutertismo is the “angry protest of the new middle class: BPO workers, Uber drivers, and OFWs.” He added that this class works hard, yet suffers from poor public services and feels vulnerable amid deteriorating peace and order.

    This same class that Teehankee describes also consists of people like my Facebook commenter, who resent those of us educated in elite universities. Why should graduates of a few schools get to run the country when others are also educated, love their country, and even work harder than students Loyola-Diliman? Relative to these spoiled brats Dutertians may, indeed, view themselves as ordinary.

    So fair enough; I am a member of an educated elite, and should check my privilege. But am I the only one who should reflect on my life’s advantages? Some of us may have less than others and some of us will have problems. Some of us will be angry because of these problems. But none of this means we should give up on imagining what life might be for fellow human beings who suffer. This act of imagining is called empathy. And when you stand idly by as thousands die because of ill-conceived government policies, it’s empathy that you need more of.
    Basically, focusing on the false dichotomy of masa vs elites (or jologs vs konyo if you like) ignores the bigger picture wherein the very person that the poor expected to be their messiah has now launched a full-scale extermination. After all, those jologs in power are really only after their own personal interests, not the interests of the subclass they "represent".

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    from the article:

    As early as the campaign period, Julio Teehankee already pointed out that Dutertismo is the “angry protest of the new middle class: BPO workers, Uber drivers, and OFWs.” He added that this class works hard, yet suffers from poor public services and feels vulnerable amid deteriorating peace and order.
    ^^
    this is the group i was describing as the rising jologs class who are buying cars and condos and bringing their culture with them, invading the previously exclusive world of konyos and irritating the hell out of them (to the delight of the jologs)

    This same class that Teehankee describes also consists of people like my Facebook commenter, who resent those of us educated in elite universities. Why should graduates of a few schools get to run the country when others are also educated, love their country, and even work harder than students Loyola-Diliman? Relative to these spoiled brats Dutertians may, indeed, view themselves as ordinary.
    ^^

    this is the group who hates the condescending elites who look down on those who aren't alumni of elite universities

    these elites think they're the smartest people in the country so they're most qualified to lead while everybody else is stupid

    well, "eff yoo" says the stupid-everybody-elses, "we voted a promdi president into power and now you elites have to kiss promdi ass for the next 6 years"


    So fair enough; I am a member of an educated elite, and should check my privilege.
    yeah the elites should

    the elites have 6 years to check their privilege

    coz it's unlikely that there will be a coup at the rate Du30 is visiting military camps promising higher salaries, housing and other benefits, visiting wounded soldiers, and attending funerals of slain solders
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    but that doesnt mean after 6 years the elites will be back

    this resentment towards the konyo-elites/edsa-revolution-alumni could last longer than 6 years

    if the resentment is sustained, an ilocano will be next president
    Last edited by uls; April 19th, 2017 at 07:48 PM.

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    As it stands, the Dutertians cannot be ordinary since, as the recent Pulse Asia survey shows, the majority of them are increasingly clustered in the middle and upper classes. They also cannot be ordinary, since Pulse Asia also shows that “criminality” is primarily the concern of that same upper crust. The rest of the country is thinking about economic issues like jobs.
    glad the writer pointed this out

    who the hell are more concerned with criminality and not economic issues?

    who are most afraid of kidnapping and being shot dead in their SUVs during daytime armed robbery?

    the rich Chinese right?

    And who are Du30's upper crust supporters?

    got it?
    Last edited by uls; April 19th, 2017 at 07:50 PM.

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    Simple lang yan, the rich will support whoever is in power. Doesn't matter kung jologs or elite, that's overthinking it. Kahit sino pa yang nakaupo diyan, kailangang suportahan para mamaintain ang tax breaks, contractualization, etc.

    Oh, and voting out of resentment is stupid, especially if you're economically vulnerable.

    Let's humor your theory that the masses voted Duterte to spite the elite - eh sino naman mapapahamak in the long run with an idiot at the helm? Those who have capital, connections, and education - kahit sino nakaupo, they will be fine.

    The future of the lower socioeconomic classes on the other hand is hinged on how the government's policies and actions pan out. Since our caricature of a president knows nothing about diplomacy or economics, it's their loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post

    Oh, and voting out of resentment is stupid, especially if you're economically vulnerable.

    Let's humor your theory that the masses voted Duterte to spite the elite - eh sino naman mapapahamak in the long run with an idiot at the helm? Those who have capital, connections, and education - kahit sino nakaupo, they will be fine.

    The future of the lower socioeconomic classes on the other hand is hinged on how the government's policies and actions pan out. Since our caricature of a president knows nothing about diplomacy or economics, it's their loss.

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    Well rational people wouldn't but people aren't always rational and I wouldn't underestimate the jologs trait of preferring to see the privileged fall from their perches than to get themselves out of the hole they're in

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    Cory Aquino spent her entire term wiping out anything and everything that bore the Marcos mark

    Nonoy carried on his mother's vindictiveness during his term

    He mounted a propaganda campaign to destroy the Marcos name (afraid of Bongbong's popularlity)

    But no matter how he tried to remind everyone of Martial Law a lot of people didn't care

    a lot of people think Bongbong is cool

    Noynoy's 6 years were all about revenge

    people will always remember how he treated Renato Corona, Gloria Arroyo etc

    it would be interesting to see what Bongbong will do when he becomes president (not if. WHEN)

    If Du30 doesnt jail Noynoy

    Bongbong will
    Duterte wants to jail noynoy alright, its just that their script keeps on faltering

    Initially they tried to goad de5 to squill noynoy on drugs but it didnt work

    Then they tried a truth commission for the mamasapano incident, it failed again because the supreme court already ruled its unconstitutional

    Bongbong can concuct his own retribution story but he needs to become president first

    We have derailed his attempt to it via VP route, we will derail his presidential bid come 2022

    Youre one cocky fellow

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    What's up with the FB trend of posting their UP degrees before expressing dissent on Duterte's honoris causa degree?

    Kailangan UP grad bago magparticipate? Mukhang nagpapahangin lang eh.

    You don't need a sablay to see that Duterte's disregard for human rights, civility, and sovereignty go against the UP tenets of honor and excellence.



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    My admiration for the university's BOD drastically went south.

    WTF were they thinking.

    Mga ogag lang, like DU30 and his avid supporters.

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    Obviously nag sipsip sila


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    elitist institution of condescending intellectuals wants to give Du30 honorary degree

    haha

    #asskissing

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    tsikoteers let us analyze.....

    Sa mga election from 90s to present tatlo presidential ang landslide winner.

    Erap = squatter votes......

    Noynoy = sympathy maalaala mo kaya votes... inis kay gloria votes....

    Presdu = Middle class votes..... Bwisit ng tao sa airport laglag bala, mrt-abaya.....playstation loving noynoy.

    So kita nyo yan.... Si erap sinuportahan ng mga chinese kaso meron mga dark-side chinese jan.

    Kay noynoy naman eh meron din mga chinese kaso more of chinese na sumozy na......

    Kay presdu naman ito mga genuine middle class filipino-chinese....The binondo super low profile chinese.........

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    so a lot of high achievers are posting their credentials on fb to prove they're more worthy than Duterte

    haha

    maging presidente muna sila

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    tsikoteers let us analyze.....

    Sa mga election from 90s to present tatlo presidential ang landslide winner.

    Erap = squatter votes......

    Noynoy = sympathy maalaala mo kaya votes... inis kay gloria votes....

    Presdu = Middle class votes..... Bwisit ng tao sa airport laglag bala, mrt-abaya.....playstation loving noynoy.

    So kita nyo yan.... Si erap sinuportahan ng mga chinese kaso meron mga dark-side chinese jan.

    Kay noynoy naman eh meron din mga chinese kaso more of chinese na sumozy na......

    Kay presdu naman ito mga genuine middle class filipino-chinese....The binondo super low profile chinese.........


    supporters ni Noynoy mga konyo ng makati business club/ateneo alum

    kaya galit na galit mga konyo noong nanalo si Du30
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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    tsikoteers let us analyze.....

    Sa mga election from 90s to present tatlo presidential ang landslide winner.

    Erap = squatter votes......

    Noynoy = sympathy maalaala mo kaya votes... inis kay gloria votes....

    Presdu = Middle class votes..... Bwisit ng tao sa airport laglag bala, mrt-abaya.....playstation loving noynoy.

    So kita nyo yan.... Si erap sinuportahan ng mga chinese kaso meron mga dark-side chinese jan.

    Kay noynoy naman eh meron din mga chinese kaso more of chinese na sumozy na......

    Kay presdu naman ito mga genuine middle class filipino-chinese....The binondo super low profile chinese.........
    Duterte middle class votes? I don't know anyone in my circle who likes Duterte except for my Uncle who lives in the US and knows nothing about what is going on here in the PH. He stayed in our house during our vacation and he cannot bring up his Duterte sh1t in the dinner table unless he wants to stay in a hotel

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    Why you can get away with plundering the country...


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    Saw that picture and laughed.

    Was common knowledge before the election that Duterte was pro-Gloria pro-Marcos... didn't change a thing.

    Para bang "Doesn't matter if he is in bed with thieves and liars, mukhang honest naman siya."

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    RE: Votes: Duterte and Noy were middle class votes.

    The poor in the last election tended towards Poe and Binay.

    Kaya nga estupido yung LP for fielding rich kid Roxas. He simply couldn't connect to the masa.

    -

    The last "Masa" vote President we had was Erap.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Why you can get away with plundering the country...

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