"Atheists Searching For Their Place in Heavily Catholic Philippines"

[galant E SS]

here's the dark side of the Christian Bible: The God of the Christian Bible is Evil: Evidence from Scripture and Nature

[Monseratto]

Narrow mindedness can be associated to blind faith,,,you know. Denial mode.

[safeorigin]

Can't we have discussions like this?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-KVf444Kyc]Intro To Philosophy 4: Truth #4 - Religions - YouTube[/ame]

[ghosthunter]

Can't we have discussions like this?

Intro To Philosophy 4: Truth #4 - Religions - YouTube

The problem with discussing it like that (in the Philippines), the people who are "affected" by it would be rallying out on the streets before the end of the video, demanding for the blood of the guy and his first born to be sacrificed to their "god" for appeasement.

[shadow]

Kaya ayaw ko sumali halfbreed Kasi ako...

I believed in god since I went to catholic school and brought up that way but at the same time I also question a lot of things in the bible and science explanation make sense to me..

[safeorigin]

Kaya ayaw ko sumali halfbreed Kasi ako...

I believed in god since I went to catholic school and brought up that way but at the same time I also question a lot of things in the bible and science explanation make sense to me..

Hmmm... they say there are no atheists in the foxhole

[Monseratto]

To refresh everyone's memory...

Hands in prayer are idle hands.

Idle hands = people doing nothing.

For hell on earth to happen, all it needs are for good people to do nothing.

You obviously don't have an ounce of clue.

Ignorance at its best.

science seeks perfection? science seeks explanations. science seeks answers that aren't based on faith

it's religion that seeks perfection

Matthew 5:48 -- Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect

Deuteronomy 18:13 -- You must be blameless before the Lord your God

Colossians 1:28 -- We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ

you believers are the ones who have to be perfect

told ya i know more Bible verses than you

Only goes to show how ignorant you are.

Some people bother to enter the kitchen and expect to not feel the heat...

[Monseratto]

What is a troll, honestly?

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People aren't symphathetic to trolls, you know...

[pop3corn]

Kaya ayaw ko sumali halfbreed Kasi ako...

I believed in god since I went to catholic school and brought up that way but at the same time I also question a lot of things in the bible and science explanation make sense to me..

science makes sense to me too. if not for science, I wouldn't be where I am today. If not for science, I wouldn't be able to travel the world. but inspite all of these, it doesn't mean that I have to relinquish my faith.

the bible is just a redundant word of God. it is not meant to be studied from start to finish or what bible study folks do.

if one can read just one gospel and become faithful then yun na yun. wag na basahin ang iba pa. the purpose of the chapters is to address different kinds of readers/people, different strokes for different folks. some are more intelligent that others, some need more convincing / input than others, and some need more guidance than others.

the reason why the religious flock is encouragde to go to Mass every sunday and listen to the same gospel annually, it is to remind us if we become lost in our way/goals. the world is a very complicated thing, sometimes the daily experiences would drive a sane man mad.


whenever I see/read people questioning the bible and its verses, kung minsan gusto ko sabihin, wag mo basahin literally or even find the implied meaning like its poetry. pag binasa mo, feel it. if you felt a thing, then the bible's purpose for you is in effect. if di mo feel, try other chapters/verses.

faith is a feeling not an insatiable quest for knowledge or proof. kaya whenever *uls or *ghost asks/tells me to prove it or do I have proof? i don't answer in a scientific way. why should I answer by means of science eh faith nga ito, call it supernatural wala ako pakilalam, maybe it is bec. faith is not a natural feeling like the senses.

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if I am to have analogy science is like freewill. both are gifts from God. like freewill, science is a double-edged sword that can be used against God.

[pop3corn]

Bakit, di ba pwede magpa-bago-bago ang isip natin about the existence of deity/deities? It does not matter to me. That is actually my stand. Kaya nga agnostic and/or freethinker e because I'm undecided due to the fact that I am skeptic and open-minded. An agnostic is someone who is undecided about the existence of a deity or deities (Agnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Freethought holds that individuals should not accept ideas proposed as truth without recourse to knowledge and reason. Thus, freethinkers strive to build their opinions on the basis of facts, scientific inquiry, and logical principles, independent of any logical fallacies or the intellectually limiting effects of authority, confirmation bias, cognitive bias, conventional wisdom, popular culture, prejudice, sectarianism, tradition, urban legend, and all other dogmas. Regarding religion, freethinkers hold that there is insufficient evidence to support the existence of supernatural phenomena. (Freethought - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Perhaps, just like Uls, I don't believe in everything I read, and reading must be with discernment. I already stated my reasons why I still believe in God and think and act like a Christian sometimes. The existence of a deity/deities up to the present is not yet actually proven or not proven. Never ending Debates and arguments about the existence of God is not yet finally resolved up to present (Existence of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Kaya nga I am confused/undecided because I have so many questions of faith that cannot be answered with intelligent proof. Eto yong ilan sa mga questions ko sa thread na 4 big myths of Book of Revelation (http://tsikot.com/forums/politics-ec.../index5.html):

"For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whoever believes in Him would not perish but will have an evelrlasting life." - Why was it necessary for Jesus Christ to suffer and died on the cross if God can just forgive us all through the snap of his finger. How about those who lived in isolated places or our forefathers who worshiped the sun, moon, and anitos before the Spaniards introduced Christianity to our country, did they all go to hell because they don't know the one true God? Why is it that the Bible verses and other Holy scriptures of the major religions were all written in Jerusalem/Middle East Asia? Christians, Muslims, Jews and other Abrahamic religions claimed that God have direct communications with Abraham, Moses and the like more than 2000 years ago, why God did not do the same to Chinese, Filipinos, Americans, Greeks, Europeans and other people in other parts of the world during those times. Why do God no longer communicate with us in this modern times? If a person claim to have seen God and talk with him in this modern days, people will think that he is insane.

These issues and many others make it really hard to understand God. But I still go to the church and sometimes pray thinking that what if God is real and when I die, what if eternal life/ eternal damnation is true?

Kaya ang bottomline, wala namang mawawala sa akin kung maniwala pa rin ako o hindi na.

wala naman problema kung kaya mo. nowadays, multi-tasking is the in thing yata eh. you think like a computer. you can be Bruce Wayne and Batman at the same time type of thinking.

but think of the long-run, it's toll to your psyche/consciousness. we each have 20 years immature thinking, then 40 years of prime life, then 60 onwards you evaluate your life.

if you are always undecided, then probably you'd realize at 60 that you tackle your life half-a-man that you are. ang hirap noon dre.

[galant E SS]

wala naman problema kung kaya mo. nowadays, multi-tasking is the in thing yata eh. you think like a computer. you can be Bruce Wayne and Batman at the same time type of thinking.

but think of the long-run, it's toll to your psyche/consciousness. we each have 20 years immature thinking, then 40 years of prime life, then 60 onwards you evaluate your life.

if you are always undecided, then probably you'd realize at 60 that you tackle your life half-a-man that you are. ang hirap noon dre.

wala namang problema sa akin yon kasi madali lang namang mag-balik-loob sa Panginoon.

[pop3corn]

wala namang problema sa akin yon kasi madali lang namang mag-balik-loob sa Panginoon.

prang Parable of the Prodigal Son ba, pasarap ng pasarap yun anak tapos sa bandang huli tinanggap din ng tatay.

pero ingat kayo sa Parable na yan, the Prodigal Son lost too much, his money, his pride, practically everything. he went on begging to be accepted bank without the assurance of forgiveness. kung ganyan ang given, tatanggapin ka siguro ng Panginoon

pero kung MO eh cge pasarap, then confession/ask forgiveness, then pasarap then confession/ask forgiveness eh ewan ko na tawag dyan. sympre malalaman din ng Diyos ang totoong nasa loob ng puso mo. kung hindi naman sincere eh.

for you to express that genuine sincerity of begging like the Prodigal Son kse, you must have lost/regret too much, baka nga pati yan baril mo sa avatar mo wala na din. ang tanong eh kaya mo ba i-lose all that you have right now.

[Luap]

prang Parable of the Prodigal Son ba, pasarap ng pasarap yun anak tapos sa bandang huli tinanggap din ng tatay.

pero ingat kayo sa Parable na yan, the Prodigal Son lost too much, his money, his pride, practically everything. he went on begging to be accepted bank without the assurance of forgiveness. kung ganyan ang given, tatanggapin ka siguro ng Panginoon

pero kung MO eh cge pasarap, then confession/ask forgiveness, then pasarap then confession/ask forgiveness eh ewan ko na tawag dyan. sympre malalaman din ng Diyos ang totoong nasa loob ng puso mo. kung hindi naman sincere eh.

for you to express that genuine sincerity of begging like the Prodigal Son kse, you must have lost/regret too much, baka nga pati yan baril mo sa avatar mo wala na din. ang tanong eh kaya mo ba i-lose all that you have right now.

how about you pastor pop3corn? are you so ready to lose everything including your jail broken IPAD? tamang tama ang tugtog sa radyo while im typing this with my virus laden crappy desk top...Kunin mo na ang lahat sakin....wag lang ang aking.....

[ghosthunter]

[galant E SS]

prang Parable of the Prodigal Son ba, pasarap ng pasarap yun anak tapos sa bandang huli tinanggap din ng tatay.

pero ingat kayo sa Parable na yan, the Prodigal Son lost too much, his money, his pride, practically everything. he went on begging to be accepted bank without the assurance of forgiveness. kung ganyan ang given, tatanggapin ka siguro ng Panginoon

pero kung MO eh cge pasarap, then confession/ask forgiveness, then pasarap then confession/ask forgiveness eh ewan ko na tawag dyan. sympre malalaman din ng Diyos ang totoong nasa loob ng puso mo. kung hindi naman sincere eh.

for you to express that genuine sincerity of begging like the Prodigal Son kse, you must have lost/regret too much, baka nga pati yan baril mo sa avatar mo wala na din. ang tanong eh kaya mo ba i-lose all that you have right now.

it is the way you talk/write why many people lose their faith in a particular religion or even God, because many religious people claim to be righteous and Godly but show arrogance. Perhaps, you are familiar with Yano's song "Banal na Aso, Santong Kabayo".

[pop3corn]

it is the way you talk/write why many people lose their faith in a particular religion or even God, because many religious people claim to be righteous and Godly but show arrogance. Perhaps, you are familiar with Yano's song "Banal na Aso, Santong Kabayo".

there is a difference between being self-righteous and righteous. kung tuusin nga dito sa forum, i'm not righteous, i'm wrongtuous sa dami na nagsabi na wrong ako dito lol

kidding aside, I know what I wrote and I sounded like mas mabait ako sayo, kaya mas mahal ako ng diyos. wag mo muna gawin personal, think of what I wrote. if ang pakiramdam mo eh have it your way ka lagi kasi alam mo naman papatawarin ka in the end, do you think that's a bit odd.

first of all, God doesn't have total control in your fate. He can only give you a lending hand or intervene if pumalpak ang mga decisions mo. what if sa free for all na ugali mo, you did things that irreversible. sa prodigal son kasi parang wala lang, uminom, nagparty, nagpasarap, naubos ang kayamanan tapos ayun pinatawad na.

what are irreversible things: puwede sa kapabayaan mo nag-suffer ang loved one mo or friend or whoever, you affected/infected another life. do you think God will just tell you it's okay you're forgiven, syempre tignan mo din ang taong naapektuhan mo, he/she is also important to God like you. who do you think will HE prioritize then kung yung taong yun ang naargabyado tlaga.

in a larger scale, do you think God will forgive Hitler if in the end when the Russians are surrounding his house, tapos bigla sya nanumbalik sa Diyos? I think not . He affected a lot of people.

[ghosthunter]

in a larger scale, do you think God will forgive Hitler if in the end when the Russians are surrounding his house, tapos bigla sya nanumbalik sa Diyos? I think not . He affected a lot of people.

Why are you are claiming that you have the same wisdom of "God"?

In some religions, that is already beyond blasphemy.

[pop3corn]

Why are you are claiming that you have the same wisdom of "God"?

In some religions, that is already beyond blasphemy.

ha? *ghost naman kelan ko sinabi yan

[uls]

in a larger scale, do you think God will forgive Hitler if in the end when the Russians are surrounding his house, tapos bigla sya nanumbalik sa Diyos? I think not . He affected a lot of people.

you know how God thinks huh?

Isaiah 55:8 (NIV)

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

[iceblueyes]

I think what they meant was you don't actually know what God would do in that scenario. If Hitler was being the most sincere ever in his life in asking for forgiveness and etc to God would He actually take him or not because of the timing of his repentance or, etc...

Yung naman talaga problema e, we don't actually know a lot of things. But there seems to be a lot out there preaching that they do, dictating whatever, saying whatever etc..

Not targeting anyone specific btw