"Atheists Searching For Their Place in Heavily Catholic Philippines"

[safeorigin]

Kaya ayaw ko sumali halfbreed Kasi ako...

I believed in god since I went to catholic school and brought up that way but at the same time I also question a lot of things in the bible and science explanation make sense to me..

Hmmm... they say there are no atheists in the foxhole

[pop3corn]

Kaya ayaw ko sumali halfbreed Kasi ako...

I believed in god since I went to catholic school and brought up that way but at the same time I also question a lot of things in the bible and science explanation make sense to me..

science makes sense to me too. if not for science, I wouldn't be where I am today. If not for science, I wouldn't be able to travel the world. but inspite all of these, it doesn't mean that I have to relinquish my faith.

the bible is just a redundant word of God. it is not meant to be studied from start to finish or what bible study folks do.

if one can read just one gospel and become faithful then yun na yun. wag na basahin ang iba pa. the purpose of the chapters is to address different kinds of readers/people, different strokes for different folks. some are more intelligent that others, some need more convincing / input than others, and some need more guidance than others.

the reason why the religious flock is encouragde to go to Mass every sunday and listen to the same gospel annually, it is to remind us if we become lost in our way/goals. the world is a very complicated thing, sometimes the daily experiences would drive a sane man mad.


whenever I see/read people questioning the bible and its verses, kung minsan gusto ko sabihin, wag mo basahin literally or even find the implied meaning like its poetry. pag binasa mo, feel it. if you felt a thing, then the bible's purpose for you is in effect. if di mo feel, try other chapters/verses.

faith is a feeling not an insatiable quest for knowledge or proof. kaya whenever *uls or *ghost asks/tells me to prove it or do I have proof? i don't answer in a scientific way. why should I answer by means of science eh faith nga ito, call it supernatural wala ako pakilalam, maybe it is bec. faith is not a natural feeling like the senses.

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if I am to have analogy science is like freewill. both are gifts from God. like freewill, science is a double-edged sword that can be used against God.

[ghosthunter]

[uls]

in a larger scale, do you think God will forgive Hitler if in the end when the Russians are surrounding his house, tapos bigla sya nanumbalik sa Diyos? I think not . He affected a lot of people.

you know how God thinks huh?

Isaiah 55:8 (NIV)

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

[iceblueyes]

I think what they meant was you don't actually know what God would do in that scenario. If Hitler was being the most sincere ever in his life in asking for forgiveness and etc to God would He actually take him or not because of the timing of his repentance or, etc...

Yung naman talaga problema e, we don't actually know a lot of things. But there seems to be a lot out there preaching that they do, dictating whatever, saying whatever etc..

Not targeting anyone specific btw

[pop3corn]

i really don't know where all these arguments are coming from. pero forgive me for generalizing, but if you all think that Hitler is now in heaven, eh di sige. go!

basta ako I maintain my belief that God did not forgive him, if we are to refer from the Ten commandments context.

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now the narcissist in me tells me, that Hitler may have been a soldier of God. why? bec. His only ally in Europe was Italy. and inside Italy is Rome. and the whole of Italy listens to the Pope. Italy is predominantly Roman Catholic. Hitler allied with the descendants of the greatest empire in ancient history and the greatest empire in the east (Japan). (come to think of it, Hitler maybe right in thinking that these 3 axis powers were the superhuman race - kita mo ngaun, sino ba gumawa ng pinaka-reliable na tsikot diba't Germany, Italy (ferrari/lambhorgini), and Japan hehe)

so is his Hitler's Nazi a modern crusades? pwede, bec. wiki may tell us why. The allies lost officially 50M people (civilians and military) (but historians estimate it's a generous figure, sabi nila it could be in the tune a 100M people perished from the allies), and the axis only lost 8M (that's including atom bombed Japan).

in the Christian fundamentalist context, WWII may be considered an apocalyptic event - a cleansing event, a population purging event or whatever it's called. and what happened after WWII, a restart/reset for the human race, a period of peace and rediscovery and things that were taken for granted became important.

I guess the question right now is, Is God capable of turning the blind eye, wishing us harm's way too by leaving our fate to chance? my answer is yes. why? bec. WWII happened. how come God did not intervene when a madman (hitler) was set loose on earth? bec. Hitler is just a by- product of man's uncontrollable sin and greed. Hitler is an idealist and a nationalist. His countrymen were equally idealistic, talented (which explains why Germans were technically superior) and noble. but they were getting poorer, because they cannot stomach the mass media that time. Motion Film and radio were fast rising that time but not too many people understood its true potential, and the ones who did enriched themselves (mostly the Europeans with Jewish ancestry) at a time of great depression.

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kaya ngaun talaga, the internet is at infancy (like the Radio and Motion Film of the 1930's ), pero we are seeing kaagad a rise in atheism. kakatakot ang mga pangitain. the only way to avoid what is somehow lurking in hearts and fears is to turn him. pray that he intervenes this time asap and wag na tayo sana turuan pa ng leksyon.

[uls]

i really don't know where all these arguments are coming from. pero forgive me for generalizing, but if you all think that Hitler is now in heaven, eh di sige. go!

basta ako I maintain my belief that God did not forgive him, if we are to refer from the Ten commandments context.

you're the one who said Hitler asked for forgiveness at the last minute of his life. not us

sabi mo kahit humingi ng forgiveness si Hitler God won't forgive him. ang sagot namin how the hell do you know how God thinks?

re your reference to the 10 commandments... obviously wala ka masyado alam sa Bible other than Bible stories taught in grade school. di na tayo under the old testament. new testament na po tayo

God sent Jesus to die... wash away the sins of the world...

kailangan ko pa ba i-explain?

Matthew 26:28

NIV

This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

KJV

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

ISV

because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.

who are you to judge who goes to heaven and who doesnt?

[greenlyt]

now the narcissist in me tells me, that Hitler may have been a soldier of God. why? bec. His only ally in Europe was Italy. and inside Italy is Rome. and the whole of Italy listens to the Pope. Italy is predominantly Roman Catholic. Hitler allied with the descendants of the greatest empire in ancient history and the greatest empire in the east (Japan). (come to think of it, Hitler maybe right in thinking that these 3 axis powers were the superhuman race - kita mo ngaun, sino ba gumawa ng pinaka-reliable na tsikot diba't Germany, Italy (ferrari/lambhorgini), and Japan hehe)

so is his Hitler's Nazi a modern crusades? pwede, bec. wiki may tell us why. The allies lost officially 50M people (civilians and military) (but historians estimate it's a generous figure, sabi nila it could be in the tune a 100M people perished from the allies), and the axis only lost 8M (that's including atom bombed Japan).

in the Christian fundamentalist context, WWII may be considered an apocalyptic event - a cleansing event, a population purging event or whatever it's called. and what happened after WWII, a restart/reset for the human race, a period of peace and rediscovery and things that were taken for granted became important.

I guess the question right now is, Is God capable of turning the blind eye, wishing us harm's way too by leaving our fate to chance? my answer is yes. why? bec. WWII happened. how come God did not intervene when a madman (hitler) was set loose on earth? bec. Hitler is just a by- product of man's uncontrollable sin and greed. Hitler is an idealist and a nationalist. His countrymen were equally idealistic, talented (which explains why Germans were technically superior) and noble. but they were getting poorer, because they cannot stomach the mass media that time. Motion Film and radio were fast rising that time but not too many people understood its true potential, and the ones who did enriched themselves (mostly the Europeans with Jewish ancestry) at a time of great depression.

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kaya ngaun talaga, the internet is at infancy (like the Radio and Motion Film of the 1930's ), pero we are seeing kaagad a rise in atheism. kakatakot ang mga pangitain. the only way to avoid what is somehow lurking in hearts and fears is to turn him. pray that he intervenes this time asap and wag na tayo sana turuan pa ng leksyon.

Nice read
The article is somehow related to sir pop3com's post: Paranoid Hitler had ‘messiah complex’–secret UK analysis | Inquirer News

and if i may quote:

"The dictator’s “Messiah complex”, in which Hitler thought he was leading a chosen people on a crusade against evil incarnate in the Jews, the paper said."


“Hitler is caught up in a web of religious delusions,” .

“The Jews are the incarnation of evil, while he is the incarnation of the spirit of good.

“He is a god by whose sacrifice victory over evil may be achieved. He does not say this in so many words, but such a system of ideas would rationalize what he does say that is otherwise obscure.”

[Monseratto]

Yep, and Hitler was a good God-fearing Christian extremist....


http://liberalslikechrist.org/Cathol...rsfaith-1.html

Catholics today can't distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn't the case in the 1930's and 40's when he was one of the most powerful men on earth. Germany's Catholics were proud as peacocks to count their Fuerher as one of their own, so long as he was putting Germans back to work, and making them proud of their powerful country, following the period of great economic depression and the humiliating shame they had suffered after their defeat in World War One. Hitler was not only allowed to "get away with murder", he was allowed to conduct mass-murder by the millions. Because Hitler has since been defeated and his villainy has come to be seen for what it was, Catholics now want to believe that their church must have repudiated Hitler in his day. But try as they may to rewrite history, the fact is that once Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, neither the pope in Rome as leader of the church worldwide, nor the bishops of Germany, ever denied membership or even public access to the sacraments to Hitler himself, nor to the many, many, other Nazi leaders of the Third Reich who claimed membership in the R.C. church.

I don't know of anyone who would argue that Hitler was a good Christian or a good Catholic in God's eyes. What the evidence shows is that Hitler needed and wanted to be viewed as such by human beings, and specifically by as many of the population of Germany as possible at the time, 66% of whom identified themselves as Protestants and 33% of whom - like Hitler - viewed themselves as Roman Catholics.

"The national (Nazi) government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. . . . I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity . . .We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press-in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during recent years."
-- Hitler ( a Radio Broadcast July 22, 1933; from My New Order. ) (The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1. pp. 871-872, Oxford University Press,London, 1942)

[uls]

Nice read
The article is somehow related to sir pop3com's post: Paranoid Hitler had ‘messiah complex’–secret UK analysis | Inquirer News

and if i may quote:

"The dictator’s “Messiah complex”, in which Hitler thought he was leading a chosen people on a crusade against evil incarnate in the Jews, the paper said."


“Hitler is caught up in a web of religious delusions,” .

“The Jews are the incarnation of evil, while he is the incarnation of the spirit of good.

“He is a god by whose sacrifice victory over evil may be achieved. He does not say this in so many words, but such a system of ideas would rationalize what he does say that is otherwise obscure.”

one can look at the rise of Hitler and WW2 with religion-colored glasses

but i think it was economic reasons that led to Hitler's rise

go back to 1929 -- the US stock market crash -- which led to the Great Depression

the Great Depression spread to Europe in the 1930s

European economies collapsed. which led to protectionism. which led to nationalism. which led to international tensions

1933 Adolf Hitler came into power

Hitler restored the German economy

wiki Nazi Germany

In the midst of the Great Depression, the Nazi government restored prosperity and ended mass unemployment using heavy military spending and a mixed economy of free-market and central-planning practices. Extensive public works were undertaken, including the construction of the Autobahns. The return to prosperity gave the regime enormous popularity and made Hitler's rule mostly unchallenged.

1939 Germany invaded Poland

WW2 began

[pop3corn]

one can look at the rise of Hitler and WW2 with religion-colored glasses

but i think it was economic reasons that led to Hitler's rise

go back to 1929 -- the US stock market crash -- which led to the Great Depression

the Great Depression spread to Europe in the 1930s

European economies collapsed. which led to protectionism. which led to nationalism. which led to international tensions

1933 Adolf Hitler came into power

Hitler restored the German economy

wiki Nazi Germany


1939 Germany invaded Poland

WW2 began

*uls, there is a silent helping hand to Hitler's rise in power. and it was Stalin and his Russia. The Russians being communists shunned materialism and were gaining support from Europe particularly sa Eastern bloc. Stalin wanted a scapegoat and an initiator, and he saw this in Hitler.

supposedly, the axis powers are 4: the existing 3 (japan, italy, germany) + russia. the 1929 crash and the great depression only revealed to people that time that Jesus Christ's preaching of anti-materialism is nothing but true. and that's why the communists became popular.

but Stalin miscalculated Hitler, Hitler is a very smart man. after gaining support for his building of his army, He attacked Russia too. maybe he knew what Stalin is up to. Hitler would conquer Western Europe and then Stalin would dethrone Hitler and therefore, the entire European continent will become communists.

the war between capitalism and communism started as early as the 1900's, with the pre-Russian Bolsheviks. Bolsheviks is like Al-Quaeda now, they perpetrated a series of bombing in the US and Europe to further their cause. they're not yet communists but socialist but the ideology that is just starting to evolve. Bec. of this series of attacks, America created J. Edgar Hoover, as Hitler is created in Europe. every wonder why J. Edgar Hoover was never involved in World War II and chose to stay in US mainland and protect it domestically. bec. that time, He knew that the threat is not fascism but communism, the main threat to capitalism. ganun katalino si J. Edgar Hoover, sya ang may biggest picture of them all.

now back to Hitler and Stalin, tignan mo ang nangyari shortly after the defeat of the Hitler's Germany. the world entered automatically sa cold war bec. the Americans finally believed Winston Churchill that the mastermind of the WWII was never really Hitler but Stalin. and so after the war was the Iron Curtain - from East Germany to some Scandinavian countries to Eastern Europe to China. This solidified almost 3 continents of communist rule. if not for Hitler attacking Stalin, baka Stalin could have take as far as the African continent and anything in between like France, Britain, Spain.

you see, I know my history but not the history that was taught to us in school. I analyze history and I believe that these things happen for a reason. i'm not your average common sense person that believes anything the people of the past tell upon us.

[Monseratto]

Hmm,,,but now Communism is history, and Hitler is not really smart cause his Nazi dream went up in flames. Even worst, the jews got their country back. Capitalism and materialism rules the world...

[Monseratto]

So Hitler now is one of God's tools, let loose in bringing death and destruction to his creations because God saw mass media as a threat... can anyone top that in terms of divine conspiracy...?

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kaya ngaun talaga, the internet is at infancy (like the Radio and Motion Film of the 1930's ), pero we are seeing kaagad a rise in atheism. kakatakot ang mga pangitain. the only way to avoid what is somehow lurking in hearts and fears is to turn him. pray that he intervenes this time asap and wag na tayo sana turuan pa ng leksyon.

So better access to information and discerment can make God go against his creations and let loose the apocalypse...nice!

[uls]

i know what i wrote and i sounded like mas mabait ako sayo, kaya mas mahal ako ng diyos.

hahaha

mas mahal ka ni God? yan ang example ng self righteous. masyado ka confident dude

read this

Luke 18:9-14

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

[uls]

hirit ka pa OB

dami butas pananaw mo

[pop3corn]

shucks sobrang dami load ako sa tarbaho dito kaya ko pa kyo masagot. pero bakit ganun? kayo ang mga atheists, pero kayo quote ng quote sa bible

[uls]

shucks sobrang dami load ako sa tarbaho dito kaya ko pa kyo masagot. pero bakit ganun? kayo ang mga atheists, pero kayo quote ng quote sa bible

eh ikaw walang alam sa Bible

you're pathetic

mas madami pa ako alam sa Bible kesa sayo

and you're the only one here representing believers

what a poor representative

[chua_riwap]

shucks sobrang dami load ako sa tarbaho dito kaya ko pa kyo masagot. pero bakit ganun? kayo ang mga atheists, pero kayo quote ng quote sa bible

ah-ha-ha! o nga ano........:hysterical:

[pop3corn]

ah-ha-ha! o nga ano........:hysterical:

d'ba? parang mas holy pa nga sila sa'kin sa sobrang dami nila alam na verses. tapos nun sinabi ko na baka di patawarin ng diyos si ess at si Hitler sila pa nagalit kasi pinangunahan ko pa daw ang diyos. affected ..

sabi ko na nga ba eh, yun atheist status nila ngaun d'pa period eh. okey lang yun, at least alam ko di pa kayo fully nakuha ng other side. kahit papano i can save two people here *uls and *ghost. para pag nakabalik ako sa Europe, napakasarap ng feeling ko

[renzo_d10]

d'ba? parang mas holy pa nga sila sa'kin sa sobrang dami nila alam na verses. tapos nun sinabi ko na baka di patawarin ng diyos si ess at si Hitler sila pa nagalit kasi pinangunahan ko pa daw ang diyos. affected ..

sabi ko na nga ba eh, yun atheist status nila ngaun d'pa period eh. okey lang yun, at least alam ko di pa kayo fully nakuha ng other side. kahit papano i can save two people here *uls and *ghost. para pag nakabalik ako sa Europe, napakasarap ng feeling ko

:hysterical: Papano naman yung 8 cars mo ?! Kanino mo iiwan.