Arroyo lies again

[wakin]

hmmm, so ok lang palang mag lie?

[BlueBimmer]

eh ikaw nga eh ayoko lang sagutin baka mapahiya ka eh.

sabi mo walang karapatan ang empleyado mo to earn proportionately sa mga negosyante amo nila kasi they took the risk, provided the funds, setup the business.

pero ang nakalimutan mo, mga empleyado mo assets kaya ka nag-e-earn. kasama mo sila sa progress mo ng business mo. if for example, kung noon una, lahat kayo walang tsikot, 10 years later, 5 na tsikot mo, pero empleyado mo motor lang pwede mabili sa sweldo nya, hulugan pa.

walang ba lying part dun? kung hindi mo pa din makuha. then hindi nga lying yun, it's taking advantage of their innocence, of them not knowing the truth.



parang original employees ni SM, they worked hard to follow their boss vision: "magsikap kayo para maka-expand tayo ng SM Malls sa bawat probinsya". ano sa tingin mo? yun original employees ba na yun may nakukuha compensation sa ibang branches? syempre dun lang sila kung saan nagtatrabaho. pero si SM tenfold na kita niya.

even if I admit that a lie, mas makatao pa nga ata sa'yo pare, kasi kahit papano I try to put myself in their shoes and understand their grievances.

ako mapahiya? e sino ba napahiya dito with his twisted logic, pati ang 'servant of the people' ginawang literal! hindi lang naman sa thread na to, meron pa sa iba nagmukha kang ewan.

hayup ka talaga sa logic, dapat ikaw nalang head ng DOLE para yumaman ang pilipinas!! pag yaman ng mga empleyado, sabay bankrupt ng mga employers!! hahahahahah hayup ka sa logic!

SPECIAL CHILD nga!! tama si Bai!!

:rofl01:

[boybi]

I've got friends who owns popular RTW Franchises sa malls. they are aware that they are losing some cash say from P50 to P150 a day, they call it kupit cash, pero ok lang sa kanila, kasi acceptable daw yun figures na yun. kaysa naman magpalit ng magpalit, eh nauuwi din sa ganun.

marami din akong kakilala who loses more than that each day. 'kupit cash' din yun. ok lang dahil minimal or negligible lang naman compared sa net profit nila for the day. at ok lang hangga't hindi nahuhuli kung sino yung kumukupit. but once nahuli, talsik agad sa trabaho. why? if you tolerate this, palaki ng palaki ang kukupitin nila hanggang malugi na ang business mo. ano, sasabihin mo ba sa employees mo na ok lang kumupit as long as to keep the kupit amount minimal, like up to P150.00 per day??!?!?

[boybi]

i would assume na hindi ka pa employer so you wouldn't initially understand me. minsan kinukwento ko ito sa mga kaibigan ko nag-work, and pati sila takang-taka sa policy ko.

you assumption is wrong.

almost if not all my employees lie, from skipping work, from absent alibi's, from misdeclaring petty cash to forging their daily attendance. at times nga nahuhuli ko pa sila, taking cash from cashbox kasi madami sobra na yun pala hindi lang na-resibuhan.

i still have the same employees since 3 years ago. I have raised their pay at times na din. at times, I reward them for a job well done.

yan ang ok, that's why at the start of this thread, sinabi ko "lying is healthy" bec. it keeps you alert and on-guard. in my years of business experience, somehow na-develop ko na kahit papano to determine if the person i'm talking with is just bullshitting me or telling the truth. and I just weigh the consequences.

lying is healthy only to the liar and only if he did not get caught.

[wakin]

Originally Posted by oldblue
sabi mo walang karapatan ang empleyado mo to earn proportionately sa mga negosyante amo nila kasi they took the risk, provided the funds, setup the business

afaik, si henry sy hindi naging empleyado. nagsumikap sya on his own by selling shoes. so yung mga employees natin ngayon pwede rin nilang gawin to. me choice sila. either they choose to be an employee or businessman. if they choose the route ng employee then limited lang talaga ang kita. employees cannot demand so much from the employer. the reason why businessman put up their own business is para kumita and not for charity. otherwise mag put up na lang sila ng foundation that they can help the needy.

i myself is an employee. nasabihan na rin ako na our office is not for charity. so its up to me to leave my work and change my carreer path. i too have a choice.

parang ot na?

[BlueBimmer]

nice logic eh? tayo siguro lahat may diperensya sa logic at sya ang tama :bwahaha:

[wakin]

eto ang usually naririnig ko:

the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer

this is true! coz the rich are always busy thinking of ways on how to improve their businesses. kaya nga we call them investors. eh yung mga employees (not all), what do they do? they fence sit on their boss's or employers cars and do nothing kung hindi maghinga ng sama ng loob. oh bakit may bagong car na naman si sir tsk tsk kawawa naman tayo? sa mga employees make that a challenge on your part. kung ang boss mo eh walang bagong kotse then there's no reason why para magsumikap ka para ma promote. that is their privilege and not a right as others claim.

once again, employee rin po ako and right now i chose to be one but soon im going to be in a different path.

parang mas ot?

[mazdamazda]

exactly! very good my special child.

SPECIAL CHILD nga!! tama si Bai!!

Moderator's Note:

This is already name-calling and as a result an infraction will be sent out and will serve as a warning.

[mazdamazda]

The problem is that our leaders are beholden to a higher standard.

I think that is the problem here.

Most people expect our leaders to be Mr. / Mrs. Goody Two Shoes when they can't even meet the considerably lower standard set for them.

Take for example the income tax of self-employed individuals. The BIR estimated that around P100 billion was not collected last year because most self-employed individuals (which include doctors, lawyers, architects, artists, heck - the upper crust of Philippine society) did not declare their proper income.

Wait, there's more! P80 billion in VAT went uncollected due to misdeclared input/output tax by private corporations & individuals. P50 billion in corporate income tax was also lost due to misdeclaration of incomes.

Does the Filipino citizen have the gall to call their President a liar while lying their way to cheat our government of almost P200 billion per year in taxes?

To put it in perspective - P200 billion is equal to the total expenditures of our government (less loan payments) this year. Imagine if we could have doubled the salaries of gov't employees, doubled the budget for infrastructure buildling, etc.

Or do we go on to the usual defense that our leaders should change first before everyone else?

[mikmik316]

cguro naman dito sa point na ito alam na natin kung sino ang pro at anti labandera este GMA

nyahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[oldblue]

ako mapahiya? e sino ba napahiya dito with his twisted logic, pati ang 'servant of the people' ginawang literal! hindi lang naman sa thread na to, meron pa sa iba nagmukha kang ewan.

hayup ka talaga sa logic, dapat ikaw nalang head ng DOLE para yumaman ang pilipinas!! pag yaman ng mga empleyado, sabay bankrupt ng mga employers!! hahahahahah hayup ka sa logic!

SPECIAL CHILD nga!! tama si Bai!!


ang gusto mo ang risk na dinaan ni juan dapat makisawsaw din si diego sa kita ni juan. what the hell kind of concept is that? sawsawan ng kita? at sawsawan ng information?

so lumalabas secrecy sa information is lying na rin. WOW.

parang CRAB MENTALITY at UTAK TALANGKA ito ah, ayaw umasenso ang kapwa dapat makisawsaw para maging FAIR lahat. yan ang communism. WTF?!?


:rofl01:

hits you right in the heart no kaya iwas sagot ka na, tapos resort to name-calling ka na lang.

to those people here who have been blaming the govt. why they are being marginalized by society/govt. sinagot na ni BB, sa previous post niya. even if mag-succeed kayo na ma-convince ang Presidente to rally with your cause, eto at eto ang maging katwiran ng karamihan ng mga negosyante sa'tin kahit si GMA pa bumangga dyan. the govt. is your only ally against business malpractice kasi nga for the people sya.

wow so now you think employees should earn proportionately the same amount as the employers?

it is the right of the empoyer to earn those coz he took the risk in setting up the business while mga employees walang nilabas kahit piso.

e kung malugi ang employer? maglalabas ba ng pera mga employees to save him from bankruptcy? no. they'll all go their own way at sa iba na magtatrabaho.

baluktot naman masyado logic mo. ika nga, you dont reap rewards if you dont take risks.

sobrang one-sided grabe. parang sila nagtake ng risk at dapat intindihin. eh pano naman yun mga empleyado na inubos half of their life sa kumpanya. hindi ba risk yun.

[boybi]

OT na ito pero need ko sagutin.

choice ng employee ang mag stay half of their life sa company. they can always resign and find another job in another company. yung negosyante, binuhus ang pera para sa business nya, dun palang risk na yun. hindi na nya mababawi lahat ng pera nya kung nagbago isip nya at iba pala ang gusto nya. yung employee, anytime pwede umalis ng walang mawawala sa kanya.

[oldblue]

eto ang usually naririnig ko:

the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer

this is true! coz the rich are always busy thinking of ways on how to improve their businesses. kaya nga we call them investors. eh yung mga employees (not all), what do they do? they fence sit on their boss's or employers cars and do nothing kung hindi maghinga ng sama ng loob. oh bakit may bagong car na naman si sir tsk tsk kawawa naman tayo? sa mga employees make that a challenge on your part. kung ang boss mo eh walang bagong kotse then there's no reason why para magsumikap ka para ma promote. that is their privilege and not a right as others claim.

once again, employee rin po ako and right now i chose to be one but soon im going to be in a different path.

parang mas ot?

ngaun lang ako nakakita ng employee who favors/defends the employer. nagsasabi ka ba ng totoo? o nahawa ka na samin mga sinungaling

[boybi]

so ngayon bawal nang magsabi ng totoo?

[BlueBimmer]

hit right in the heart? SINO KA BA AT KILALA MO BA KUNG PAANO NAMIN TINUTURING MGA EMPLEYADO NAMIN, OLDBLUE?

kapal naman ng mukha mo, parang tingin mo sa amin mga walang kwentang amo ah, naka-ilang insulto ka na.

FYI maliban sa sweldo at benefits binibigyan pa namin ng pang-tuition ng anak sa mga empleyado namin.

bago ka magturo ng daliri alamin mo muna ang totoo.

[lolo pepe]

gentlemen, mga puso ninyo...

friendly debate na lang sana at walang personalan...

[mikmik316]

ang kailangan lang natin malaman e kung may negosyo ba yang si Old Blue at mukhang hindi nya naiintindihan ang mechanics at machinations sa isang negosyo....

Sa lahat ng negosyante... papayag ba kayo na mas malaki ang kita ng empleyado mo? no way.... komunista lang nag-iisip ng ganun....

nyahahahahahaha

[lolo pepe]

hmmm, so ok lang palang mag lie?

These are lies:

*a parent to a child - "dapat maging mabait ka. Pasko na mamya at darating na si santa claus at bibigyan ka ng regalo." (hindi ko nilalahat pero noong children pa tayo, napaniwala tayo ng mga parents natin na merong santa at ngayon, tayo naman ang nagsasabi nito sa mga children natin.)

*husband to wife - "honey, wala akong regalo ngayong Pasko sa iyo. Wala akong kinita kanina." (Meron naman palang regalo pero gusto lang sorpresahin ang asawa.)

for me, the bottom line is this: if telling a lie serves a common good and there is no harm intended to the receiver of the lie, then it is OK.

[mikmik316]

These are lies:

*a parent to a child - "dapat maging mabait ka. Pasko na mamya at darating na si santa claus at bibigyan ka ng regalo." (hindi ko nilalahat pero noong children pa tayo, napaniwala tayo ng mga parents natin na merong santa at ngayon, tayo naman ang nagsasabi nito sa mga children natin.)

*husband to wife - "honey, wala akong regalo ngayong Pasko sa iyo. Wala akong kinita kanina." (Meron naman palang regalo pero gusto lang sorpresahin ang asawa.)

for me, the bottom line is this: if telling a lie serves a common good and there is no harm intended to the receiver of the lie, then it is OK.

There are WHITE LIES and they are totally harmless IMO.

But is the President telling WHITE LIES to Filipinos o LIE talaga? Go figure.

[lolo pepe]

na-figure ko na kaya nga nagtanong ako dun sa previous post ko. eto ulitin ko kasi walang nag reply:



hmmmm...by reading again the news article the thread starter has posted...did gma really lie this time or she had just broken a promise?

and going further...is breaking a promise the same thing as telling a lie?