Arroyo lies again

[baiskee]

wow! buhay pa to? lupet din naman.

wag na kasing patulan.... mag SORRY na lang kayo.

:charing: I Lied. :bwahaha:

[oldblue]

masyado naman twisted ang logic mo oldblue. masyado mo naman ginawang literal ang meaning ng 'servant of the people'. pwede mo bang utusan ang presidente para hugasan ang kotse mo?

correct me if I'm wrong sir, hindi ba't the people are the ones who are taking it literally. kaya walang respeto ang tao ngaun sa presidente, is bec. they believe that the president eh paswelduhan lamang.

often times, we'll hear: "Gloria, alis dyan!", "Kami ang naglagay sa'yo dyan, kami din ang magpapaalis sa you", "Sinungaling ka, hindi mapapagkatiwalaan, wala kang karapatan" "Wala akong pakelam sa mga na-accomplish mo, TRABAHO MO YUN EH!" and all that hate stuff. the same stuff that most people do to their servants. kung tuusin kung ganito ang trato, we might as well change the title from "servant of the people" to "slave of the people" -> para si GMA wakanasey parang "anong sorry sorry dyan" lumayas ka"

ang tanong ko lang sayo, ok lang bang madalas mag sinungaling sayo ang anak mo? pupuriin mo ba sya kapag ginawa nya yan?

kahit na anong gawin mo disciplinary style, kahit General ka pa who commands batallions of men, your kid will lie lalong-lalo na to please you kapag hindi nya nasunod ang utos mo.

with that is given what will you do? sigawan sya, hiyain sya, tanggalan siya ng mana? again the same thing that you're doing now to our President.

like the lying kid that you have, you are trapped with him/her forever. kasi anak mo sya eh. ganun din ang presidente, she has a term to finish.
make the best out of it na lang. siguro naman kahit papano nakikita mo naman that she's doing her best to make up with her shortcomings.

ngaun like I said before pa, kung sarado na kaisipan and you only dwell on that particular blooper in GMA's history. you can never move on like the rest of us.

dito na lang sa thread na ito, a lot agreed kagad na nagsinungaling kagad sya without even reading thoroughly the article. kitang-kita ang bias. like I said, back burner - she never said she backed off totally sa cha cha.

[BlueBimmer]

pano naman kasi di sinasagot ang mga tanong.
iniiba ang usapan just like sa idol niya. LOL
lakas magjudge at magbitaw ng mabibigat na salita pero wala naman backup proof...puro salita...reminds me of the president :bwahaha:

change the topic! ibahin ang usapan para madistract :rofl01:

[lolo pepe]

OT: As an aside, having lived both in the Philippines and abroad, one thing I noticed is how we Filipinos debate issues. Why is it that when someone criticizes our position or action or lack of action, we invariably conclude that he or she is criticizing our person?

For instance, if someone tells us, “That is a stupid thing you did,” we tend to hear instead, “You are stupid.” Then we react accordingly and get into a shouting/insulting match that does not resolve any issue at all.

In the same token, when someone defends GMA, he or she is instantaneously labeled as pro-GMA. Conversely, when someone criticizes an action of GMA, he or she is labeled as anti-GMA. Why the hard line in delineating sides?

Personally, I may not like some of the president’s political strategies. But some of her programs are worth supporting. Per our labeling, does it mean just because I criticize her political strategies, I should not support programs such as Botica Para Sa Bayan and other good projects if I am in a position to do so? And if I support her programs, does that make me pro-GMA then?

Labels have their effects of pigeonholing people into inflexible isolated spaces that prevent cooperative co-existence. Instead of emphasizing labels and degenerating discussions into "we against them" matches, shouldn’t the issue be what we can do as a group to help the country move on?

Is it that impossible to agree to disagree on certain issues and then move on to agree to support causes which we deem worthy of support?

you have a nice sentiment that i fully agree with, but unfortunately, it is easier said than done. i'm not saying that it is impossible but at this point in time, we haven't yet found a true leader that could homogenize the filipino people to form into one solid nation that is capable of being morally correct, politically stable, ecomically strong and socially conscious (i'm still dreaming for this moment to happen).

putting this in another perspective, albeit a minor one, even if we strongly disagree and criticize each other's ideas here in the forums, i'm sure we have a common bond between ourselves - that of being tsikoteers. peace.

[oldblue]

pano naman kasi di sinasagot ang mga tanong.
iniiba ang usapan just like sa idol niya. LOL
lakas magjudge at magbitaw ng mabibigat na salita pero wala naman backup proof...puro salita...reminds me of the president :bwahaha:

change the topic! ibahin ang usapan para madistract :rofl01:

eh ikaw nga eh ayoko lang sagutin baka mapahiya ka eh.

sabi mo walang karapatan ang empleyado mo to earn proportionately sa mga negosyante amo nila kasi they took the risk, provided the funds, setup the business.

pero ang nakalimutan mo, mga empleyado mo assets kaya ka nag-e-earn. kasama mo sila sa progress mo ng business mo. if for example, kung noon una, lahat kayo walang tsikot, 10 years later, 5 na tsikot mo, pero empleyado mo motor lang pwede mabili sa sweldo nya, hulugan pa.

walang ba lying part dun? kung hindi mo pa din makuha. then hindi nga lying yun, it's taking advantage of their innocence, of them not knowing the truth.



parang original employees ni SM, they worked hard to follow their boss vision: "magsikap kayo para maka-expand tayo ng SM Malls sa bawat probinsya". ano sa tingin mo? yun original employees ba na yun may nakukuha compensation sa ibang branches? syempre dun lang sila kung saan nagtatrabaho. pero si SM tenfold na kita niya.

even if I admit that a lie, mas makatao pa nga ata sa'yo pare, kasi kahit papano I try to put myself in their shoes and understand their grievances.

[baiskee]

eh ikaw nga eh ayoko lang sagutin baka mapahiya ka eh.

sabi mo walang karapatan ang empleyado mo to earn proportionately sa mga negosyante amo nila kasi they took the risk, provided the funds, setup the business.

pero ang nakalimutan mo, mga empleyado mo assets kaya ka nag-e-earn. kasama mo sila sa progress mo ng business mo. if for example, kung noon una, lahat kayo walang tsikot, 10 years later, 5 na tsikot mo, pero empleyado mo motor lang pwede mabili sa sweldo nya, hulugan pa.

walang ba lying part dun? kung hindi mo pa din makuha. then hindi nga lying yun, it's taking advantage of their innocence, of them not knowing the truth.



parang original employees ni SM, they worked hard to follow their boss vision: "magsikap kayo para maka-expand tayo ng SM Malls sa bawat probinsya". ano sa tingin mo? yun original employees ba na yun may nakukuha compensation sa ibang branches? syempre dun lang sila kung saan nagtatrabaho. pero si SM tenfold na kita niya.

even if I admit that a lie, mas makatao pa nga ata sa'yo pare, kasi kahit papano I try to put myself in their shoes and understand their grievances.

napakalayo naman nito ser. problema ba ng employer yung ganitong situation? in my case...hindi naman ako binigyan ng oto nung employer ko, pinagipunan ko yung perang kinita ko sa sweldo ko kaya ako may oto.

aba, napaka galante nyo naman pala...pwede ba mamasukan sa inyo at kung ano meron kayo eh dapat ibigay nyo rin sa tauhan nyo.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever.

[oldblue]

napakalayo naman nito ser. problema ba ng employer yung ganitong situation? in my case...hindi naman ako binigyan ng oto nung employer ko, pinagipunan ko yung perang kinita ko sa sweldo ko kaya ako may oto.

aba, napaka galante nyo naman pala...pwede ba mamasukan sa inyo at kung ano meron kayo eh dapat ibigay nyo rin sa tauhan nyo.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever.

alam mo hindi ko na alam kung sino na nagsisinungaling sa'tin dito eh.

nagtatrabaho na nga yun employee eh and too bad nga lang at may minimum wage cap as BB pointed out na fina-follow nila, mayroon ka pang teach him how to fish na quote.

and ironically, hindi ba't yan ang main gripe nyo sa gobyerno and GMA, kasi hindi sapat yun serbisyo sa mamayan-pilipino. ngaun naman ok lang kung may kakulangan ....

[baiskee]

huh? labo mo...naintindihan mo ba yung quote? siguro nga hindi kasi hindi nyo ina-apply. :hysterical:

[baiskee]

btw, may helper ba kayo dyan sa bahay nyo? magkasing dami ba kayo ng sasakyan?

[oldblue]

ah naintindihan ko na, "teach him how to fish" meaning teach how to save money, like what you did :fishing2:

[baiskee]

re post ko lang yung dati kong post.

OB, compare yourself to the president.

the president represents the country to the world, not you.

the president leads the country, not you.

etc...etc...

wala kaming pakialam kung magsinungaling ka sa buong pilipinas. pero meron kaming pakialam kung magsinungaling ang presidente ng pilipinas sa atin, na mamamayang pilipino.

wag mo na i-compare yung pagsisinungaling nyo sa pagsisinungaling ng presidente dahil hindi issue yung mga kasinungalingan nyo.

[baiskee]

ah naintindihan ko na, "teach him how to fish" meaning teach how to save money, like what you did :fishing2:

exactly! very good my special child.

[oldblue]

exactly! very good my special child.

:rock: :rave: :bounceD: bwahahahahahaha!



although gusto ko pagtawanan ka, I feel it's my duty to correct you.

livelihood po , ang ibig sabihin nyan. source of income, trabaho, job, work,

[boybi]

correct me if I'm wrong sir, hindi ba't the people are the ones who are taking it literally. kaya walang respeto ang tao ngaun sa presidente, is bec. they believe that the president eh paswelduhan lamang.

often times, we'll hear: "Gloria, alis dyan!", "Kami ang naglagay sa'yo dyan, kami din ang magpapaalis sa you", "Sinungaling ka, hindi mapapagkatiwalaan, wala kang karapatan" "Wala akong pakelam sa mga na-accomplish mo, TRABAHO MO YUN EH!" and all that hate stuff. the same stuff that most people do to their servants. kung tuusin kung ganito ang trato, we might as well change the title from "servant of the people" to "slave of the people" -> para si GMA wakanasey parang "anong sorry sorry dyan" lumayas ka"

oldblue, naka droga ka ba? hindi ko alam kung maiinis ako or matatawa sa mga logic sa mga posts mo.

walang respeto ang mga tao sa presidente dahil nagsisinungalin sya. at paano naging literal ang 'servant of the people' dahil lang sa gusto syang paalisin ng mga mamamayan? kung kagaya mong magisip ang lahat ng Pilipino, ang nakalagay sa mga placards e ganito: "Gloria, maglaba ka!"

balikan natin yung post mo na sinabi kong ginawa mong literal ang meaning ng 'servant of the people':

so since i'm also a taong-bayan like you and others here, pag nag-sisinungaling tayo mas nakakahiya, kaysa sa Presidente na servant lang natin. it reflects on our subordinates (which are the Pres/public officials) so kung nagsinungaling ako like most of us ordinary citzens, dapat lang i-extend natin ang courtesy and leniency sa subordinates natin or else, unfair yun.

hehe, tanuning ulit kita (as if sinasagot mo naman yung mga tanong dito ). isa ka bang employee or employer? kung employer ka, bibigyan mo ba ng pay raise ang isang sinungaling na empleyado? kung employee ka, lagi ka bang nagsisinungaling sa mga accomplishments mo?

[boybi]

kahit na anong gawin mo disciplinary style, kahit General ka pa who commands batallions of men, your kid will lie lalong-lalo na to please you kapag hindi nya nasunod ang utos mo.

with that is given what will you do? sigawan sya, hiyain sya, tanggalan siya ng mana? again the same thing that you're doing now to our President.

like the lying kid that you have, you are trapped with him/her forever. kasi anak mo sya eh. ganun din ang presidente, she has a term to finish.
make the best out of it na lang. siguro naman kahit papano nakikita mo naman that she's doing her best to make up with her shortcomings.

ngaun like I said before pa, kung sarado na kaisipan and you only dwell on that particular blooper in GMA's history. you can never move on like the rest of us.

dito na lang sa thread na ito, a lot agreed kagad na nagsinungaling kagad sya without even reading thoroughly the article. kitang-kita ang bias. like I said, back burner - she never said she backed off totally sa cha cha.

hindi mo sinagot ang tanong ko:

ang tanong ko lang sayo, ok lang bang madalas mag sinungaling sayo ang anak mo? pupuriin mo ba sya kapag ginawa nya yan?

[architect]

you have a nice sentiment that i fully agree with, but unfortunately, it is easier said than done.

I fully agree with you that it is easier said than done, but that shouldn't stop us from trying, should it?

i'm not saying that it is impossible but at this point in time, we haven't yet found a true leader that could homogenize the filipino people to form into one solid nation that is capable of being morally correct, politically stable, ecomically strong and socially conscious (i'm still dreaming for this moment to happen).

Unfortunately, like you, I am still dreaming for that moment to happen. As unlikely as that is bound to happen to in the near future, I believe the next best thing is for us to be more proactive in helping our country on an individual basis or as a group...

putting this in another perspective, albeit a minor one, even if we strongly disagree and criticize each other's ideas here in the forums, i'm sure we have a common bond between ourselves - that of being tsikoteers. peace.

...why can't we use that bond as a starting point to do something useful as a group intead of purely debating? Various threads in this forum have proven that as a collective voice, we are able to resolve certain issues or help others. Why not harness that potential into something more structured?

[boybi]

kahit na anong gawin mo disciplinary style, kahit General ka pa who commands batallions of men, your kid will lie lalong-lalo na to please you kapag hindi nya nasunod ang utos mo.

with that is given what will you do? sigawan sya, hiyain sya, tanggalan siya ng mana? again the same thing that you're doing now to our President.

pangangaralan ko sya sa consequences ng pagsisinunganling. and why would i make the best out of my lying kid?

like the lying kid that you have, you are trapped with him/her forever. kasi anak mo sya eh. ganun din ang presidente, she has a term to finish.

my kid will always be my kid whatever happened to the world. the president have a fixed term and can be removed from the presidency constitutionally. like you said, i will be trapped with my lying kid forever, that is why i should teach from the very beginning not to lie.

teka, ang labo na naman ng logic mo dito. comparing a kid with a president? at sinagot ko pa. nahahawa na yata ako sayo :bwahaha:

[architect]

this is a debate sir. you must take a side.

I wasn't tallking about taking sides. Rather, I was wondering why the demarcation has to be so total and hard.

labels don't mean a **** to me, if I'm being called low IQ or a racist or one who generalizes or one who's a liar or one who's a GMA ass-licker. I dont even take 'em seriously, but it does give me a fair idea of what kind of person I'm debating with. then act accordingly ...

If you honestly don't take them seriously, then you wouldn't even waste your time responding. Also, it is no longer a debate when it degenerates into name-calling. It becomes just plain old arguing.

After all a debate is a healthy exchange of ideas re a predefined subject matter with the objective being to convince the opposite side of one's position.

But when it turns into an argument re personal issues, such as one's lack of grasp of rhetorical concepts, economic fundamentals, and semantics, as this one has, it becomes an exercise in futility.

And in an argument such as this one, especially one devoid of focus, it is often more logical not to take sides but instead try to help end it in an amicable manner.

[oldblue]

oldblue, naka droga ka ba? hindi ko alam kung maiinis ako or matatawa sa mga logic sa mga posts mo.

walang respeto ang mga tao sa presidente dahil nagsisinungalin sya. at paano naging literal ang 'servant of the people' dahil lang sa gusto syang paalisin ng mga mamamayan? kung kagaya mong magisip ang lahat ng Pilipino, ang nakalagay sa mga placards e ganito: "Gloria, maglaba ka!"

balikan natin yung post mo na sinabi kong ginawa mong literal ang meaning ng 'servant of the people':

o sige, pagbigyan kung ngaun naman eh iniiwasan nyo naman na literal ang meaning ng servant of the people, ano talaga meaning nyan para sayo?

hehe, tanuning ulit kita (as if sinasagot mo naman yung mga tanong dito ). isa ka bang employee or employer? kung employer ka, bibigyan mo ba ng pay raise ang isang sinungaling na empleyado? kung employee ka, lagi ka bang nagsisinungaling sa mga accomplishments mo?

hay sa wakas, a relevant question. yes! almost if not all my employees lie, from skipping work, from absent alibi's, from misdeclaring petty cash to forging their daily attendance. at times nga nahuhuli ko pa sila, taking cash from cashbox kasi madami sobra na yun pala hindi lang na-resibuhan.

i would assume na hindi ka pa employer so you wouldn't initially understand me. minsan kinukwento ko ito sa mga kaibigan ko nag-work, and pati sila takang-taka sa policy ko.

i still have the same employees since 3 years ago. I have raised their pay at times na din. at times, I reward them for a job well done.

yan ang ok, that's why at the start of this thread, sinabi ko "lying is healthy" bec. it keeps you alert and on-guard. in my years of business experience, somehow na-develop ko na kahit papano to determine if the person i'm talking with is just bullshitting me or telling the truth. and I just weigh the consequences.

why? you might ask? bakit ko tino-tolerate ito mga lies? sustainability. why would I fire somebody dahil lang sa prinsipyo na masama magsinungaling, kung matitigil naman ang trabaho. if the degree of the lying is very alarming, I'd still keep the employee but he has to make up for what he has done. or I'll give him 3 strikes and he's out.

ganun ang tingin ko sa bansa natin. the lie is not even worthy of removing a leader and start from scratch again or haltr the progress that we have made since 2k1.

I've got friends who owns popular RTW Franchises sa malls. they are aware that they are losing some cash say from P50 to P150 a day, they call it kupit cash, pero ok lang sa kanila, kasi acceptable daw yun figures na yun. kaysa naman magpalit ng magpalit, eh nauuwi din sa ganun.

[oldblue]

pangangaralan ko sya sa consequences ng pagsisinunganling. and why would i make the best out of my lying kid?



my kid will always be my kid whatever happened to the world. the president have a fixed term and can be removed from the presidency constitutionally. like you said, i will be trapped with my lying kid forever, that is why i should teach from the very beginning not to lie.

teka, ang labo na naman ng logic mo dito. comparing a kid with a president? at sinagot ko pa. nahahawa na yata ako sayo :bwahaha:

eh ikaw unang nagtanong nyan lying kid eh. wala pa nga ako anak sa ngaun, pero i'm open to the idea na he will lie one way or another. I just have to prepare myself for it, you know, develop that skill na maging human lie detector test ako

tingin ko kasi sa pagpapangaral ng anak on lying subject, very passive. lie bad, telling the truth good.

you just have to be actively involved with your son/daughter, than just to give him/her a set of rules to follow religiously and forget. in some ways, lying can also save his/her life. don't you agree?