Anthropogenic Climate Change: Skepticism and why science is never settled

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The rest are here Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says

Naka ka tamad na to argue eh. Been doing this in my line of work for years and have personally talked with those in the IPCC.

Unfortunately, it's us in the Philippines who are at the most losing end in this biggest disaster in the history of mankind

You mention IPCC yet the data I linked from the start came directly from the latest IPCC report: http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima...5_TS_FINAL.pdf

turn to page 61. they pretty much state that "global warming" is on hiatus based on the historical trend. the mean increase within the period 1998-2012 is only at 0.04 degrees celcius and 0.11 degrees celcius within the period of 1951-2012. it also falls in line with the NASA data I linked.

let that 0.11 degree celcius figure sink in. as I've mentioned before, there are far more dominant drivers of climate change than CO2. The most powerful driver being water vapor.



water vapor constitute about 4% of the atmosphere compared to current levels of CO2 which is 0.04%. water vapor contributes at least 60% to as much as 95% to global heat retention depending on which source you use(American Chemical Society and US Department of Energy in this case). Meanwhile, CO2 only retains a measly 3.6% of global heat and 3.22% out of all CO2 is man-made.

If you stack all of that percentage, mankind has only contributed 0.117% to global warming. remember that 0.11 degree celcius figure? if you punch in that number, mankind has contributed 0.0001287 degrees celcius only!

do you understand the scale of insanity here?

[Vodka]

contrarians will always be

lemme guess, evolution is a bunch of BS as well, right?

[anonemus]

Pollution is a different issue from climate change.

Toink.

Pollution has everything to do with changes in the climate.

Wrong assumption = wrong conclusion

[anonemus]

You mention IPCC yet the data I linked from the start came directly from the latest IPCC report: http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima...5_TS_FINAL.pdf

turn to page 61. they pretty much state that "global warming" is on hiatus based on the historical trend. the mean increase within the period 1998-2012 is only at 0.04 degrees celcius and 0.11 degrees celcius within the period of 1951-2012. it also falls in line with the NASA data I linked.

let that 0.11 degree celcius figure sink in. as I've mentioned before, there are far more dominant drivers of climate change than CO2. The most powerful driver being water vapor.



water vapor constitute about 4% of the atmosphere compared to current levels of CO2 which is 0.04%. water vapor contributes at least 60% to as much as 95% to global heat retention depending on which source you use(American Chemical Society and US Department of Energy in this case). Meanwhile, CO2 only retains a measly 3.6% of global heat and 3.22% out of all CO2 is man-made.

If you stack all of that percentage, mankind has only contributed 0.117% to global warming. remember that 0.11 degree celcius figure? if you punch in that number, mankind has contributed 0.0001287 degrees celcius only!

do you understand the scale of insanity here?

1951 to 2012? That's where your basis and premise are shaky. Go back hundreds of years since the start of the industrial revolution to map out how human activities have significantly impacted the climate.

But let me ask you. Are you one of those climate skeptics? Or are you still on the fence?

[minicarph]

Pollution is only harmful now because we are using the wrong engines for energy,

But Fossil fuel is never harmful coz it came from Mother Earth itself. Plutonium, a Uranium now that's harmful because that came from meteors from outer space, hence alien to the internal organs of Mother Earth, that's why it nuclear is out of this world

[anonemus]

Bro b_9904, based on your position, should we feel less or no guilt at all in contributing to pollution in using our ICE driven machines? I feel somehow responsible but choose to look the other way around as I enjoy the convenience of it. Not picking an argument here but merely satisfying my interest.[emoji6]

Feel least guilty about driving an ICE vehicle. Philippines' contribution to carbon emissions is barely 0.1%


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To assuage whatever guilt you may feel, just be fuel efficient with the car you're driving.

What we as Filipinos should really feel is anger. Our country is at the top 3 of the most affected by climate change in the world because of our location.

Yolanda was made worse because of sea level rise when the storm surge hit.

We will have more Ondoy like disasters in the future.

Metro Manila is one of the most climate vulnerable cities in one of the most vulnerable countries in the world, according to various reputable studies.



I don't want to sound alarmist but we should be alarmed

[timo07]

Pollution is a different issue from climate change.

Pollution affects the livability of an area, like garbage stinking up your house, or smoke from a factory affecting health.

Climate change affects, well the climate. Like increased average annual temperature for both day time and night time.

Hence, we should control pollution to livable levels. But, can we control the global climate? That is an issue science needs to answer before we start buying expensive and unreliable non fossil fueled powerhouses.

You're right to a greater extent but one component of emission, CO2, is a greenhouse gas. Oh well, if there is no concrete proof that greenhouse gas really contributes to climate change then I guess we can just exert effort to minimize our contribution on pollution..

[timo07]

Feel least guilty about driving an ICE vehicle. Philippines' contribution to carbon emissions is barely 0.1%


Top 10 worldwide


To assuage whatever guilt you may feel, just be fuel efficient with the car you're driving.

What we as Filipinos should really feel is anger. Our country is at the top 3 of the most affected by climate change in the world because of our location.

Yolanda was made worse because of sea level rise when the storm surge hit.

We will have more Ondoy like disasters in the future.

Metro Manila is one of the most climate vulnerable cities in one of the most vulnerable countries in the world, according to various reputable studies.



I don't want to sound alarmist but we should be alarmed

Not sure if the number of additional Coal Fired Power Plants we're about to operate here in Ph will elevate our standing. Probably not much.

I have a first hand experience of Ondoy. I'm worried about climate change.

[b_9904]

Toink.

Pollution has everything to do with changes in the climate.

Wrong assumption = wrong conclusion

Logic101: is pollution always climate change? Is climate change always pollution?

Answer that and you will notice my point.

To help you out: is car always diesel? Is diesel always car?

Notice the similarity?

Now, to really help out: is pollution always greenhouse gas? Is greenhouse gas always pollution?

[b_9904]

contrarians will always be

lemme guess, evolution is a bunch of BS as well, right?

Ah, no. Evolution has solid proof.