Anthropogenic Climate Change: Skepticism and why science is never settled

[Vodka]

contrarians will always be

lemme guess, evolution is a bunch of BS as well, right?

[b_9904]

contrarians will always be

lemme guess, evolution is a bunch of BS as well, right?

Ah, no. Evolution has solid proof.

[anonemus]

You mention IPCC yet the data I linked from the start came directly from the latest IPCC report: http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima...5_TS_FINAL.pdf

turn to page 61. they pretty much state that "global warming" is on hiatus based on the historical trend. the mean increase within the period 1998-2012 is only at 0.04 degrees celcius and 0.11 degrees celcius within the period of 1951-2012. it also falls in line with the NASA data I linked.

let that 0.11 degree celcius figure sink in. as I've mentioned before, there are far more dominant drivers of climate change than CO2. The most powerful driver being water vapor.



water vapor constitute about 4% of the atmosphere compared to current levels of CO2 which is 0.04%. water vapor contributes at least 60% to as much as 95% to global heat retention depending on which source you use(American Chemical Society and US Department of Energy in this case). Meanwhile, CO2 only retains a measly 3.6% of global heat and 3.22% out of all CO2 is man-made.

If you stack all of that percentage, mankind has only contributed 0.117% to global warming. remember that 0.11 degree celcius figure? if you punch in that number, mankind has contributed 0.0001287 degrees celcius only!

do you understand the scale of insanity here?

1951 to 2012? That's where your basis and premise are shaky. Go back hundreds of years since the start of the industrial revolution to map out how human activities have significantly impacted the climate.

But let me ask you. Are you one of those climate skeptics? Or are you still on the fence?

[safeorigin]

1951 to 2012? That's where your basis and premise are shaky. Go back hundreds of years since the start of the industrial revolution to map out how human activities have significantly impacted the climate.

But let me ask you. Are you one of those climate skeptics? Or are you still on the fence?

1951 to 2012 *IS* IPCC's data! the fact that you're skeptical with that alone already means you're questioning official climate scientists' methodology!

and, indeed, I have based the CO2 figure dating back from pre-industrial revolution to present(which is where I got the 3.22% man made CO2).

If you want the exact numbers as follows: 288,000 baseline(Pre-industrial); 68,520(New from natural source); 11,880(New from man made source). These are measured in GWP or global warming potential. These are straight from IPCC's methodology.

[minicarph]

Climate change is a useless concept coz most people aren't fit to begin with, they can't clamor for balance in the world if they can't balance their own body,

For me, it's as condescending as hypocritical, trying to gain recognition from superficial subject matters that we can never really control or even that we have something to do with it

[XploY]

Climate change is a useless concept coz most people aren't fit to begin with, they can't clamor for balance in the world if they can't balance their own body,

For me, it's as condescending as hypocritical, trying to gain recognition from superficial subject matters that we can never really control or even that we have something to do with it

hahahaha [emoji28] KSP ang tawag jan. Yan ang nangyayari pag walang EQ advantage

[timo07]

Bro b_9904, based on your position, should we feel less or no guilt at all in contributing to pollution in using our ICE driven machines? I feel somehow responsible but choose to look the other way around as I enjoy the convenience of it. Not picking an argument here but merely satisfying my interest.[emoji6]

[b_9904]

Bro b_9904, based on your position, should we feel less or no guilt at all in contributing to pollution in using our ICE driven machines? I feel somehow responsible but choose to look the other way around as I enjoy the convenience of it. Not picking an argument here but merely satisfying my interest.[emoji6]

Pollution is a different issue from climate change.

Pollution affects the livability of an area, like garbage stinking up your house, or smoke from a factory affecting health.

Climate change affects, well the climate. Like increased average annual temperature for both day time and night time.

Hence, we should control pollution to livable levels. But, can we control the global climate? That is an issue science needs to answer before we start buying expensive and unreliable non fossil fueled powerhouses.

[anonemus]

Pollution is a different issue from climate change.

Toink.

Pollution has everything to do with changes in the climate.

Wrong assumption = wrong conclusion

[b_9904]

Toink.

Pollution has everything to do with changes in the climate.

Wrong assumption = wrong conclusion

Logic101: is pollution always climate change? Is climate change always pollution?

Answer that and you will notice my point.

To help you out: is car always diesel? Is diesel always car?

Notice the similarity?

Now, to really help out: is pollution always greenhouse gas? Is greenhouse gas always pollution?

[timo07]

Pollution is a different issue from climate change.

Pollution affects the livability of an area, like garbage stinking up your house, or smoke from a factory affecting health.

Climate change affects, well the climate. Like increased average annual temperature for both day time and night time.

Hence, we should control pollution to livable levels. But, can we control the global climate? That is an issue science needs to answer before we start buying expensive and unreliable non fossil fueled powerhouses.

You're right to a greater extent but one component of emission, CO2, is a greenhouse gas. Oh well, if there is no concrete proof that greenhouse gas really contributes to climate change then I guess we can just exert effort to minimize our contribution on pollution..

[b_9904]

You're right to a greater extent but one component of emission, CO2, is a greenhouse gas. Oh well, if there is no concrete proof that greenhouse gas really contributes to climate change then I guess we can just exert effort to minimize our contribution on pollution..

If you are using greenhouse gas to mean only co2, then yeah you are correct.

However, if you mean the totality of heat retaining gases, then you are wrong. Why? There are many greenhouse gases.

[anonemus]

Bro b_9904, based on your position, should we feel less or no guilt at all in contributing to pollution in using our ICE driven machines? I feel somehow responsible but choose to look the other way around as I enjoy the convenience of it. Not picking an argument here but merely satisfying my interest.[emoji6]

Feel least guilty about driving an ICE vehicle. Philippines' contribution to carbon emissions is barely 0.1%


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To assuage whatever guilt you may feel, just be fuel efficient with the car you're driving.

What we as Filipinos should really feel is anger. Our country is at the top 3 of the most affected by climate change in the world because of our location.

Yolanda was made worse because of sea level rise when the storm surge hit.

We will have more Ondoy like disasters in the future.

Metro Manila is one of the most climate vulnerable cities in one of the most vulnerable countries in the world, according to various reputable studies.



I don't want to sound alarmist but we should be alarmed

[timo07]

Feel least guilty about driving an ICE vehicle. Philippines' contribution to carbon emissions is barely 0.1%


Top 10 worldwide


To assuage whatever guilt you may feel, just be fuel efficient with the car you're driving.

What we as Filipinos should really feel is anger. Our country is at the top 3 of the most affected by climate change in the world because of our location.

Yolanda was made worse because of sea level rise when the storm surge hit.

We will have more Ondoy like disasters in the future.

Metro Manila is one of the most climate vulnerable cities in one of the most vulnerable countries in the world, according to various reputable studies.



I don't want to sound alarmist but we should be alarmed

Not sure if the number of additional Coal Fired Power Plants we're about to operate here in Ph will elevate our standing. Probably not much.

I have a first hand experience of Ondoy. I'm worried about climate change.

[b_9904]

Feel least guilty about driving an ICE vehicle. Philippines' contribution to carbon emissions is barely 0.1%


Top 10 worldwide


To assuage whatever guilt you may feel, just be fuel efficient with the car you're driving.

What we as Filipinos should really feel is anger. Our country is at the top 3 of the most affected by climate change in the world because of our location.

Yolanda was made worse because of sea level rise when the storm surge hit.

We will have more Ondoy like disasters in the future.

Metro Manila is one of the most climate vulnerable cities in one of the most vulnerable countries in the world, according to various reputable studies.



I don't want to sound alarmist but we should be alarmed

Climate change, the one we have right now, has nothing to do with increasing a storms power.

Type " historical Accumulated Cyclone Energy" on google. You will notice that we have had high ACE data scattered all over the timeline.

[safeorigin]

Climate change, the one we have right now, has nothing to do with increasing a storms power.

Type " historical Accumulated Cyclone Energy" on google. You will notice that we have had high ACE data scattered all over the timeline.

exactly. notice that the "crazy skeptics" are the ones presenting/advocating metrics even to the point of using IPCC's data!

[b_9904]

exactly. notice that the "crazy skeptics" are the ones presenting/advocating metrics even to the point of using IPCC's data!

Ditto bro.

Sigh...

[minicarph]

Pollution is only harmful now because we are using the wrong engines for energy,

But Fossil fuel is never harmful coz it came from Mother Earth itself. Plutonium, a Uranium now that's harmful because that came from meteors from outer space, hence alien to the internal organs of Mother Earth, that's why it nuclear is out of this world

[XploY]

to make the story short, what then drives the change in climate? if my memory serves me right, it was the meteor that hits earth --obliterate the dino and kickstart the rapid evolution, induced climate change. Before we draw conclusions, lets go back to the formation of our planet. Back then, theres no such thing as water. The whole planet is a molten lava.

[safeorigin]

for people who can't be bothered searching for global ACE and hurricane frequency...