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    Naging responsible parenthood na

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    I don't care, I will continue to give all the comfort in life.

    Them learning household chores would make them successful in life? I don't think so

    Really? If war breakouts now or famine or other unforeseen events them learning those menial chores would be able to save their asses?




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    make them go practice sa shooting range

    make them learn MMA

    mas helpful survival skills pa yan

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    I guess household chores is one of the many ways a child is taught the value of discipline and responsibility.

    I have an officemate before that had a problem with authority. Never kasi nauutusan. May cousin din ako na ganyan, sa sobrang sheltered and spoiled, walang authority figure, kahit parents niya hindi siya ma control, ayaw mag work

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    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    the boy/girl scouts are taught good values in life.
    Boy Scout Oath, Law and Motto
    Yeah, Jojo Binay is a boy scout and he has very good values. Values that were taught to his children that's why they will be like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jick.cejoco View Post
    with all of life's failures and successes, we still need people who failed, these are the people we hire as drivers, maids, gardeners, janitors and yaya. not everybody can be successful. somebody has to do the menial jobs
    Wow, naging driver, maid, janitor lang e failure na?
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    i once read a thread about a new college grad who is starting to work that didnt know basic things in life, kakalipat lang nya ang dorm and created a thread asking people how to use a washing machine. ang ginagawa nya eh inuuwi sa kanila yung mga maruming damit at kumukuha ng bago.

    medyo gulat lang ako nung nabasa ko iyon, i came from a poor family kaya alam ko basic things in life.

    but i admit i might be doing the same to my kids, hatid sundo ng school bus/kotse ang mga anak ko, pupunta sa mall nakakotse. bisita sa kamag-anak kotse. im afraid im not teaching them basic street skills. at their age dati marunong na kong sumakay ng jeep, marunong na kong tumawid. nakakapunta ako sa malayong lugar na akong magisa. now im not sure if my kids can reach home kung maiwan sila sa mall na nagiisa.

    i think the problem here is the lack of opportunity to teach them. both parents busy with their work, tapos laging may machine or katulong na sasalo sa mga gawain.

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    Originally Posted by jick.cejoco
    with all of life's failures and successes, we still need people who failed, these are the people we hire as drivers, maids, gardeners, janitors and yaya. not everybody can be successful. somebody has to do the menial jobs
    talk about values

    here's this guy telling us about values and he calls low income people failures. people who try to make an honest living

    so money is THE gauge

    if low income people are failures then drug lords and wealthy corrupt politicians are successful right?
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    rich countries hire people from poor countries to do work their citizens won't do coz the jobs are too dangerous or menial or degrading

    can we call those who accept those jobs failures?

    we call them OFWs and they've kept the Phil. economy alive for the past decades

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    I agree with others na wala sa chores and scout training would define discipline. Also no one has the right to say how to bring up their children. pampered or strict, kanya kanyang style.

    With survival and other things, people will learn how to do things if they have to. well that's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [archie] View Post
    I agree with others na wala sa chores and scout training would define discipline. Also no one has the right to say how to bring up their children. pampered or strict, kanya kanyang style.

    With survival and other things, people will learn how to do things if they have to. well that's just my opinion.
    I tend to agree to a certain extent here....

    If our kids are on their own,- they will learn those things.... During my time,- I did....

    Keep the faith!

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    Discipline and responsibility. They'll learn that as they mature...actually school and education is exactly where they'll learn those two values...

    I'm not saying hinde mo ituturo rin yan sa bahay but OA naman yun if they learn to do menial chores it will make them better in life...


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Discipline and responsibility. They'll learn that as they mature...actually school and education is exactly where they'll learn those two values...

    I'm not saying hinde mo ituturo rin yan sa bahay but OA naman yun if they learn to do menial chores it will make them better in life...


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    Agree with you bro....

    Somehow, and to some extent,- kids live a double life....

    Responsible sa school; relaxed sa bahay....

    There goes....

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    Brats mga kabataan ngayon, kasalanan ng mga magulang kesyo ayaw daw nila padasan sa mga anak nila ang hirap na pinag daanan nila. Ayun sakit ng ulo ni nanay at tatay ng lumaki na si ineng at totoy.

    Disiplinahin at turoan ng responsibilidad ang mga anak habang maliliit pa.

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    ang bawat tao may kanya kanyang gustong gawin sa buhay.

    meron iba ang libangan ay kumita ng pera, kung mayaman ka ba pwede na sabihin successful ka?

    meron naman gusto lang easy life, little work, little pay, more time with family, nakakaingit ba ung buhay na ganito?

    meron naman iba tambay, asa lang sa magulang, sabi ng iba pabigat daw sa pamilya, ang sabi naman ng pamilya nya ok lang na hindi sha mag work, basta lagi naman sha nakikita.

    ibat iba ang buhay natin, at bawat isa ay meron role na ginagampanan.


    siguro naman hindi na bago sa inyo ang makarinig ng isang pamilya na sinasabing successful daw, ung mga anak tapos sa mga exclusive school at ngayon nagwork sa malalaking company,

    pero malayo ang bahay sa magulang,

    ung mga magulang ang kasama sa haws ay katulong lang.......kung ikaw ang nasa kalagayan ng magulang, happy ka ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manilablock View Post
    siguro naman hindi na bago sa inyo ang makarinig ng isang pamilya na sinasabing successful daw, ung mga anak tapos sa mga exclusive school at ngayon nagwork sa malalaking company,

    pero malayo ang bahay sa magulang,

    ung mga magulang ang kasama sa haws ay katulong lang.......kung ikaw ang nasa kalagayan ng magulang, happy ka ba?
    Kagaya ng nabanggit mo, ang bawat tao may kanya kanyang gustong gawin sa buhay.

    May mga magulang na sila na mismo ang nagpapaalis sa anak sa kanilang bahay once nakapag asawa na, yung iba pinapaalis na kapag matanda na at may sarili ng trabaho o hanapbuhay.

    May mga magulang naman na gusto lagi kasama ang anak kahit may asawa't apo na.

    May mga anak naman na gusto bumukod, meron din naman ayaw malayo sa magulang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Wow, naging driver, maid, janitor lang e failure na?
    As long as it's honest, hard work, we are taught to respect everyone irregardless of their work/status. I have good respect for people who may not be rich but have good sense of values and hard work, whether they be a maid, janitor or driver, over some guys who are richer (why do some politicians come into my mind?).

    In my case, I can say we were brought up in relative comfort but because of the values our family instilled in us, but still we never grew up with a sense of entitlement and that we always treat people with respect. It's not about the money, it's about the values irregardless of stature and wealth.

    In terms of receiving the good things, a child that is well provided for does not always mean na lalaking spoiled. I know of a lot who were brought up in relative comfort but still turned out to be very good and compassionate people. My family provided me with what i needed and some of the things i wanted but always made clear that these were worked for and that we have to work to provide the same to our own children later on and have the responsibility of guiding them as well. It is one thing to provide for the financial needs of a family, but what is more important today is to provide for the emotional needs of the child (values and time).

    Times are changing as well so definitely parents today have to move with what abounds (technology, face pace of learning, etc.) to make sure also that your child keeps up with the challenges of the world.
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    do your kids know the basic skills you have like cooking , cleaning the house, maintaining your house, working for a living, paying the taxes,paying the utility bills, cleaning the yard, defending the country

    the question is if at least they know the basic skills, it was not mentioned that they have to do it everyday or make a career out of it


    even the kings were born naked. everybody has one life.


    almost every body were born with two hands, two feet. have the whole body. everybody in some way or another has failed. every body gets old and dies.


    everybody who call himself a citizen should take ownership and responsibility of our country like we take ownership and responsibility of our own houses



    no man is an island. no country has only one family. everybody has a role, as the saying from desiderata: "listen to others, even the dull and ignorant, they too have their story"

    what if they lost everything? what if the skills they have are no longer needed? what if they lost the job they thought they will have until retirement and to find out one wicked morning they have been fired or the company went belly up? what if they no longer have the authority nor money to pay somebody to do things for them?

    that is why we need to learn the basic stuff and other skills. if we can not adjust to living without our daily "taken for granted" things like a warm bed, airconditioning, cooking in the kitchen using electricity or lpg, having a refrigerator-just like when you have a massive power outage or like other countries ravaged by war



    you need them to be equipped with something that can not be stolen nor taken away from them like skills, education, experience



    no matter where you go no matter what happens if **** hits the fan and you are in a different country outside your comfort zone, you can always find some employment if you had the skills, training, education and experience. marketable skills that is with employable conduct


    it is all up to you to educate your children. by education, we mean, not only the things you learn from school but even the things you learn from the school of hard knocks.


    that is why, the measure of good parenting and success is not how much wealth you have accumulated but by how much your offsprings have attained not only in material things but also of moral, spiritual and civic accomplishments.


    good parenting and success with your kids are not only seen in their inherited and accumulated wealth. the question is if they have contributed to the society



    my example to all my friends is that of a tomato plant. if you know it is growing crooked, straighten it a little at a time while it is still sprouting. do not try to straighten a crookedly grown tomato plant, chances are it will break.



    correction and guidance begin at home. as an educator, i have been told flatly in my face "that's why my kid is here in school". my quick reply "manners and attitude training begins at home. if you were not able to guide and correct your kid who grew up in your house and you expect me to correct his attitude where he is only in my classroom a few hours a week?"



    our society is not perfect just like any other country. but at least if we have the upbringing of our kids just like that of the japanese and the germans where each kid are taught skills in manufacturing, engineering and most of all attitude
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    Quote Originally Posted by [archie] View Post
    I agree with others na wala sa chores and scout training would define discipline. Also no one has the right to say how to bring up their children. pampered or strict, kanya kanyang style.

    With survival and other things, people will learn how to do things if they have to. well that's just my opinion.
    i agree with this, but from experience kids who knows how to do chores or has been through some sort of outdoor training has an advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaNker View Post
    Brats mga kabataan ngayon, kasalanan ng mga magulang kesyo ayaw daw nila padasan sa mga anak nila ang hirap na pinag daanan nila. Ayun sakit ng ulo ni nanay at tatay ng lumaki na si ineng at totoy.

    Disiplinahin at turoan ng responsibilidad ang mga anak habang maliliit pa.
    madalas ko yan na ririnig, ako iniispoil ko din naman mga anak ko at ayaw ko maranasan nila ang hirap pero i make sure na they still do basic house chores. yung iba kasi grabe sa pagka spoil mga anak tapos ang sasama pa sa mga katulong, yung mga magulang naman pinapa bayaan lang.

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