Why do doctors love to have their patients wait?

[_Cathy_]

Extra na lang yan admission. Meron mga doctors 20-30 patients per day. Kung ₱1k isa then that's they're bread and butter


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Pero yung P1k x 20 nila ilang oras yun. Sa admission, 10 mins lang P20k.

I guess depende pa rin sa specialization. Sa Surgeon siempre admission/procedure. Pag pedia sa consultation I assume.

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[Ry_Tower]

Pero yung P1k x 20 nila ilang oras yun. Sa admission, 10 mins lang P20k.

I guess depende pa rin sa specialization. Sa Surgeon siempre admission/procedure. Pag pedia sa consultation I assume.

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Specialization matters specially yung may operations. Yun ang totoong malaki Panis 20K everyday consultation sa nag-ooperate.

[_Cathy_]

Specialization matters specially yung may operations. Yun ang totoong malaki Panis 20K everyday consultation sa nag-ooperate.

Yup more or less 1 hr na operation 6 digits agad. May doctors pala na whole morning nila sunod sunod procedure nila so in one day they can earn at least P500k

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[boybi]

Yup more or less 1 hr na operation 6 digits agad. May doctors pala na whole morning nila sunod sunod procedure nila so in one day they can earn at least P500k

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And how much lang report nila kay BIR?

[Walter]

Professional fees have already been adjusted to include taxes ... so the patient is the one paying BIR ... just like medicine prices have been adjusted to cover cost of senior citizen's discount ... same with restaurants ... ultimately, it's the consumer who pays ...

[Gumusut_Amige]

Yup more or less 1 hr na operation 6 digits agad. May doctors pala na whole morning nila sunod sunod procedure nila so in one day they can earn at least P500k

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tapos yung anaesthesiologist ay nakakabit yung PF niya sa surgeon (50%). pag neuro o cardio-thoracic surgeon medyo mabigat na ang bayad.
kaya laging totoo ang kasabihan na "health is wealth".

And how much lang report nila kay BIR?

imo, pag dumaan sa cashier or with OR, malamang kasama sa declaration nila yon.

[dr. d]

Yup more or less 1 hr na operation 6 digits agad.

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it's common knowledge,
it usually depends on the type of hospital and the type of room the patient occupies.
high-fallutin' horsepitals and high-end private rooms do tend to command higher PF, in comparison to low-fallutin' horsepital and low-end private room or semi-private room or ward.

[boybi]

Professional fees have already been adjusted to include taxes ... so the patient is the one paying BIR ... just like medicine prices have been adjusted to cover cost of senior citizen's discount ... same with restaurants ... ultimately, it's the consumer who pays ...

kaya pala sa clinic nagpapabayad si doc and maliit na fee lang sinasama sa hospital bill. At nagbibigay ng acknowledgement receipt

[shadow]

kaya pala sa clinic nagpapabayad si doc and maliit na fee lang sinasama sa hospital bill. At nagbibigay ng acknowledgement receipt

Correct! Minimum amount sa bill sa hospital PF pero cash diretso bayad sa doctor.


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[_Cathy_]

And how much lang report nila kay BIR?

ang sure na sure sa consultation walang receipt. May ibang doctor nga iba pa fee nila if you ask receipt

Professional fees have already been adjusted to include taxes ... so the patient is the one paying BIR ... just like medicine prices have been adjusted to cover cost of senior citizen's discount ... same with restaurants ... ultimately, it's the consumer who pays ...

Ganun na nga. Tinaas nila yung gross para after discount, yung fee na gusto pa rin nila.

tapos yung anaesthesiologist ay nakakabit yung PF niya sa surgeon (50%). pag neuro o cardio-thoracic surgeon medyo mabigat na ang bayad.
kaya laging totoo ang kasabihan na "health is wealth".

imo, pag dumaan sa cashier or with OR, malamang kasama sa declaration nila yon.

Yun anesthesiologist ang taas nga ng PF. Never met them

Pero balita ko neurosurgeons daw pinaka mataas, yung brain surgeons umaabot P500k???

it's common knowledge,
it usually depends on the type of hospital and the type of room the patient occupies.
high-fallutin' horsepitals and high-end private rooms do tend to command higher PF, in comparison to low-fallutin' horsepital and low-end private room or semi-private room or ward.

No idea talaga doc I guess we got really spoiled by our family friends. There was a time my Dad had to be admitted and there was no room available so he was placed at the ICU (but for a regular room charge) Everyone was shocked why my Dad was at the ICU LOL. We were friends with the Nuns kasi that handled that hospital, but they have all passed on and it was bought by Metro Pacific na rin.

Hirap talaga wala connection sa Pilipinas

[Walter]

Some people get the cheapest room ... then transfer to expensive room after operation ...

[Walter]

Hirap talaga wala connection sa Pilipinas

It's more or less the same all over the world ...

[Gumusut_Amige]

ang sure na sure sa consultation walang receipt. May ibang doctor nga iba pa fee nila if you ask receipt

Yun anesthesiologist ang taas nga ng PF. Never met them

Pero balita ko neurosurgeons daw pinaka mataas, yung brain surgeons umaabot P500k???

pwedeng humingi ng OR kahit consultation fee lang kasi nasa batas yan.

pag 500K yung surgeon, matik na 250K kay anaesthesiologist. dati nga yung endoscopy procedure ay walang anaesthesiologist na kasama... yung gastro dr ko dati ang nagbibigay ng sedation pero ngayon di na pwede hehe.
in fairness naman, pwedeng maka discount sa kanila pag humingi ka (gaya sabi ni dr. d).

sabi siguro ng SLMC staff ay si Rita Atayde ang nakaharap nila kaya inakala na walang pag uusapan pagdating sa bayad

[Ry_Tower]

sabi siguro ng SLMC staff ay si Rita Atayde ang nakaharap nila kaya inakala na walang pag uusapan pagdating sa bayad

Yun talaga yun eh.

[H1Tman]

Saka tied-up talaga sa room yung charges. The more expensive the room, the more expensive the charges. But the doctors fees are really kinda high na pala ngaun. Baka inflation, vat, and senior discount factored in na.

[carxynogen]

Some people get the cheapest room ... then transfer to expensive room after operation ...

Eto ba technique nyan para maka save at least?

[boybi]

Saka tied-up talaga sa room yung charges. The more expensive the room, the more expensive the charges. But the doctors fees are really kinda high na pala ngaun. Baka inflation, vat, and senior discount factored in na.

Mahal na din kasi mga luxury cars, then may tongpats pa mga dealers sa mga sought after models

[dr. d]

as an aside,

can't speak for the other MD schools, but in my alma mater, maraming humble beginnings who still like to hold on to theirs.

but even so,
put yourself in your shoes, "how would you rate a paying patient, if you see him in the presidental room, and espy the Lange on his wrist, the pair of ferragami under his hospital bed, and the kiton hanging in the closet? would you charge sticker-price PF, and would you give a real discount if he asked for one?"
dress down, folks. make our decision-making process easier for us. and we don't know cubic zirconia from natural gem-quality diamond, either.

true story.
i have a colleague, who's a marshmallow at heart,
"dr. d, if the patient asks for a discount, i'll do him for free."
i believe him, because my wife does the same.
and the quality of our work, does not change. "personal pride and all that."

"we were doing dozens (tens of dozens? i lost count...) of these for almost-free, back when we were resident trainees. what's a couple more?"

[_Cathy_]

May himala, nauna kami sa Surgeon. We have a 9 am appointment and the secretary messaged me at 9:04 na the doctor arrived na. We were 15 mins away pa, so embarrassing. Although kami lang ang patient for that day kasi technically he has no clinic pag Monday.

So it seems like ang mga surgeon wala talaga masyado consult kasi with Dr APS and Dr Cutie ganyan din, most of the time sila nauuna pa Although we know them naman at ka message personally, this surgeon, hindi naman "kakilala" but he was on time! Anyway, after our consult he left na rin.

Mas matagal pa kwentuhan namin sa check up. It turns out that he went to the same HS as my Kuya and the same college as my Mom. He is very familiar din with where we live kasi his classmate used to live there so he knows the streets. His family is also from Laguna so we talked about families. Anyway, after that hindi na masama loob ng Mommy ko sa fee niya kasi mabait naman and lots in common daw. He gave his personal number din after Mommy said we'll send him fruits kapag nag ani kami, para we still keep in touch with him.

Dami pala mga doctor na nagnu nurse sa US. He contemplated on moving din daw sa US. Kung ako surgeon dito, NO WAY!

pwedeng humingi ng OR kahit consultation fee lang kasi nasa batas yan.

yes pwede naman mag OR pero ayoko humingi

Saka tied-up talaga sa room yung charges. The more expensive the room, the more expensive the charges. But the doctors fees are really kinda high na pala ngaun. Baka inflation, vat, and senior discount factored in na.

I asked the staff sa St Luke's sabi hindi naman daw, kaya agreed to a pricier room than our first admission. Hindi na kami nag insist lumipat sa smaller.

as an aside,

can't speak for the other MD schools, but in my alma mater, maraming humble beginnings who still like to hold on to theirs.

but even so,
put yourself in your shoes, "how would you rate a paying patient, if you see him in the presidental room, and espy the Lange on his wrist, the pair of ferragami under his hospital bed, and the kiton hanging in the closet? would you charge sticker-price PF, and would you give a real discount if he asked for one?"
dress down, folks. make our decision-making process easier for us. and we don't know cubic zirconia from natural gem-quality diamond, either.

true story.
i have a colleague, who's a marshmallow at heart,
"dr. d, if the patient asks for a discount, i'll do him for free."
i believe him, because my wife does the same.
and the quality of our work, does not change. "personal pride and all that."

"we were doing dozens (tens of dozens? i lost count...) of these for almost-free, back when we were resident trainees. what's a couple more?"

pero doc sa kilala namin na Dr parang bihira yung galing humble beginnings?

Anyway, dapat pala talaga we wore our worst clothes para mukhang kawawa. My Dad tried that before nung naka bangga driver namin (NG BAHAY among others) and we had to talk to the other party. My Dad told my Lola to wear duster so we would look kawawa, then we drove my Lolo's oldest car. Wala naman ata effect because my Dad is 6 ft tall mestizo. He doesn't look kawawa no matter how hard he tries. Dapat siya yung hindi sumama pero sinasakyan na lang namin mga trip niya

[Walter]

I asked the staff sa St Luke's sabi hindi naman daw, kaya agreed to a pricier room than our first admission. Hindi na kami nag insist lumipat sa smaller.

They're programmed to say it makes no difference ...