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    #61
    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Kung hindi makapaghatid ng aid by land, bakit hindi gamitin mga helicopters?


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    yan nga ang dapat.
    pero wala kang makita. walang move from PAF.

    o sira lahat choppers?

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    #62
    The government did the best they could given the circumstances, before and after Yolanda. Nobody however had the prior experience on how to cope and survive a signal number 4 howler!

    We can rant here all night if we want, safely ensconed within the confines of our comfy homes but at the end of the day we would all agree that Yolanda was one hell of a perfect storm!

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    #63
    Wala bang donation yung mga bilyonaryo gaya nina Bill Gates at Mark Zuckerberg? Kahit tig $100M lang, hindi naman siguro masakit sa bulsa nila yun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinyo View Post
    Wala bang donation yung mga bilyonaryo gaya nina Bill Gates at Mark Zuckerberg? Kahit tig $100M lang, hindi naman siguro masakit sa bulsa nila yun.
    baka magkaroon na ng mrt station sa tacloban pag ganyan kalaki ang donation.

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    #65
    FYI major TV and radio networks, at least here in southern Cali, are all driving a campaign to raise more help. Amazon.com is also collecting donations in favor of the Red Cross. I, alone, have received material pledges from most who became aware of the event. I have even assembled a small group willing to donate blood at our local Red Cross chapter. Believe me guys, the US is concerned. What you are seeing now are just preliminary response from the US government and some private relief agencies. More help is on the way.
    Last edited by frenchtower; November 14th, 2013 at 02:09 AM.

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    #66
    Meron na ba napadala relief goods enough for all?

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    #67
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    yan nga ang dapat.
    pero wala kang makita. walang move from PAF.

    o sira lahat choppers?

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    I think I saw an Osprey flying out of NAIA early this week.



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    #68
    Heard yesterday that the Red Cross will lease a ship to evacuate as many people from Tacloban to live with relatives in other parts of the Philippines. With prison convicts and NPAs running loose in the disaster areas, many aid agencies are reluctant to move in...

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    #69
    The hard part now really is logistics. Water and food are very bulky (and heavy) so it is hard to transport in great numbers to the unreachable areas.

    Feedback being given out by some relief organizers is that it's easier to procure and transport relief goods from the Visayas areas that were unaffected (i.e. Cebu, Catbalogan).

    I'm frankly fed up with all the finger pointing and blame game on media and the social networks. Now is not the time. We can learn a lot from this as a nation and be better prepared in the future but for now, first things first.

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    #70
    Maybe sulpicio lines, the largest shipping in the philippines , could help saving lives.

    Just to redeem themselves from all the death they have caused due to shipping tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cast_no_shadow View Post
    Sabi ko nga sa mga masyadong magagaling at matatalino naku lalo na sa social media akala mo ganun na lang kadali ayusin ang lahat, lets give it a week. let the government get their sh*t together.

    Yes people are desperate, hungry and dying. But for sure our government is doing the best they can. Im very hopeful May plano yan, may sistema. Everything will settle on its place din.


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    You just said it yourself, people are desperate, hungry and dying. But you are willing to give the gov't a WEEK for their plan or system to settle. Well after a week the desperate will be more desperate, the hungry hungrier and the dying will be DEAD.

    The criticism of the gov't action (or inactions for that matter) are all valid. Hindi naman sila nagmamagaling pero you watch it every day in the news same grievance from the 1st day till today the 7th day (or a week already). Madali kasi sabihin na maghintay but kung nasa situation ka mismo, you can't afford to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinyo View Post
    Wala bang donation yung mga bilyonaryo gaya nina Bill Gates at Mark Zuckerberg? Kahit tig $100M lang, hindi naman siguro masakit sa bulsa nila yun.
    I think they do donate, like the taipans here. But quietly. Not like them damn politicians who put their names on the relief goods even if it didn't come from their own pockets.

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    #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetlucious View Post
    You just said it yourself, people are desperate, hungry and dying. But you are willing to give the gov't a WEEK for their plan or system to settle. Well after a week the desperate will be more desperate, the hungry hungrier and the dying will be DEAD.

    The criticism of the gov't action (or inactions for that matter) are all valid. Hindi naman sila nagmamagaling pero you watch it every day in the news same grievance from the 1st day till today the 7th day (or a week already). Madali kasi sabihin na maghintay but kung nasa situation ka mismo, you can't afford to wait.
    i agree with this, but with how our government works i wasn't expecting anything good to come from them. wala talaga tayong kalalagyan kung aasa tayo sa government natin. 2 or 3 days is long enough but a week is just too much.

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    #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetlucious View Post
    You just said it yourself, people are desperate, hungry and dying. But you are willing to give the gov't a WEEK for their plan or system to settle. Well after a week the desperate will be more desperate, the hungry hungrier and the dying will be DEAD.

    The criticism of the gov't action (or inactions for that matter) are all valid. Hindi naman sila nagmamagaling pero you watch it every day in the news same grievance from the 1st day till today the 7th day (or a week already). Madali kasi sabihin na maghintay but kung nasa situation ka mismo, you can't afford to wait.
    Unfortunately thats the sad reality, everything is easier said than done. Its not like a snap of a finger then everything is efficient and in order. Hindi lang tayo sa beauty pageant title holder, pati sa bagyo at devastation nito nakuha natin ang title. Afaik Diba nga strongest si yolanda? Hindi biro yun damage na ginawa niya. Kaya for me? Spare the national government and let them initialize their plan and do their job.

    Media has a valid point still hindi ganun kadali maayos lahat ng sabay sabay andaming factors hampering the help to those who need it.

    Yes address the thirst and hunger first.
    Still given the fact na marami rin magkakaibang pangangailangan ang mga tao dun, you just can't lay a universal plan that will fit and benefit everyone.




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    #75
    Kulang din talaga sa infrastructure ang Pina skaya kapag binagyo, lalong mahirap puntahan. Kaya tingin ko hirap na hirap gov't. In short, malaki pa talaga kelangan natin i-improve sa disaster preparedness coming form years and years of neglect sa maayos na infrastructure.

    I just hope now people will actually listen when they are told to leave. Hindi yung magmamatigas pa tapos maninisi sa huli.

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    #76
    something is wrong with some of the media reporting. Yung mga reporters (i heard some sa radio) mag-iikot and magtatanong sa mga residents. Of course those people would say wala pa sila natatanggap hoping those reporters would give something. And tama rin sabi ni DInky SOliman, the affected people would always want more and say kulang until they see normalcy in their everyday living.

    and then yung mga nagmamagaling sa Social media, comments/post now, verify later (and delete if mukha na silang gago)

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    #77
    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    The hard part now really is logistics. Water and food are very bulky (and heavy) so it is hard to transport in great numbers to the unreachable areas.
    i agree, logistics will be the major problem. All those relief goods packed and ready, and no place to go. And it's not just because we don't have enough planes, ships, etc.; you can bring in the world's largest cargo planes, but if it doesn't have any place to land on, you'll be limited to smaller craft that can fit into available runways for the last legs of delivery. Kaya siguro ginawang hub yung Mactan airport, it's the only airport in the area that can support the Antonovs', C17's etc.

    i read somewhere that Red Cross PH is setting up water purification system(s) in one of the affected areas...will take around 3 days to set up(i read this around Tuesday). And either Maynilad or Manila Water has sent engineers to assess/repair the waterworks. Hopefully that can free up more cargo space for other goods.

    i'm a little surprised that we don't have a mobile water purification truck/van in place, given that disasters like this is a regular occurence. Something like the ones the US has deployed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and after Hurricane Katrina.

    Feedback being given out by some relief organizers is that it's easier to procure and transport relief goods from the Visayas areas that were unaffected (i.e. Cebu, Catbalogan).
    Buti na lang Cebu didn't get hit that bad. If it was, what would be the next nearest place to set up relief distribution? i doubt if any other nearby airports could handle that kind of traffic.


    I'm frankly fed up with all the finger pointing and blame game on media and the social networks. Now is not the time. We can learn a lot from this as a nation and be better prepared in the future but for now, first things first.

    We once had to do community work at a halfway house for kids back in college. It was near Christmas then and i asked if they had gotten a lot of donations by now. They said they usually get a lot of donations during Christmas, but in all other times, tagtuyot.

    My point is, i don't think there's any danger of relief goods running out -- at least for now. But the Red Cross estimates that relief efforts are needed for the next 18 months. Hopefully people won't forget about this when Christmas rolls in.
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    #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Kulang din talaga sa infrastructure ang Pina skaya kapag binagyo, lalong mahirap puntahan. Kaya tingin ko hirap na hirap gov't. In short, malaki pa talaga kelangan natin i-improve sa disaster preparedness coming form years and years of neglect sa maayos na infrastructure.

    I just hope now people will actually listen when they are told to leave. Hindi yung magmamatigas pa tapos maninisi sa huli.
    Ang parating dahilan nila babantayan ang bahay at gamit nila. Yung gamit mabibili pa, yung bahay maipatatayo uli. Pero yung buhay, iisa lang.

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    #79
    Speaking of a water purification truck, unless we're dealing with really nasty, sewage-level water sources, it should be simple enough to fit a water purification system on a back of a truck right? Heck, if we can fit a kitchen in a food truck...

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    Question please, donations are tax deductible diba? Ano kailangan sa NGO, acknowledgement receipt?


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