Taal Eruption 2020

[Ry_Tower]

Google search scientific papers on Taal volcano and you will find Filipino and foreign authors. So cooperation has been ongoing for decades.

What I trying to point out is that, if I were Philvocs I would cite certain recommendations and/or advisories from these other experts as well in their pronouncements so as to give better credence to what they are trying to say to the affected residents.

Sort of saying that it is not just them that is saying that people should leave these designated no-go zones because based on their collective analysis and experiences, an eruption is imminent.

Ngayon pa lang lay it on the line. Tell the affected people na sala sa init sala sa lamig naman sila. Kapag hindi sila nagbigay ng lockdown order at may namatay kapag sumabog, sisisihin sila. Kapag naman pinapatupad like now eh sisisihin pa din sila because people can't go on with their lives. Sabihin nila na trabaho nila na intindihin at sabihin kung ano ibinibigay na senyales ng bulkan at magbigay ng reco mula doon.

Nakakaawa lang kasi Philvocs na tinitira na lang ng ganun-ganun eh. Ipaglaban naman nila punto nila. Kulang imho.

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[shadow]

Hay naku talaga Philvocs. Anong klaseng analogy yun sinasabi nila na parang sinuntok mo daw yun pisngi mo kaya siyempre lulubog tapos mamaga then mag crack.

Is that the best explanation they can come up with?

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[shadow]

I'm predicting the next crisis that we'll be dealing is the new strain of SARS virus. Chinese new year is coming up and mag uwian mga chinese dito. Baka pagbalik ng mga yan meron ng mga carrier.


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[Yatta]

What I trying to point out is that, if I were Philvocs I would cite certain recommendations and/or advisories from these other experts as well in their pronouncements so as to give better credence to what they are trying to say to the affected residents.

Sort of saying that it is not just them that is saying that people should leave these designated no-go zones because based on their collective analysis and experiences, an eruption is imminent.

Ngayon pa lang lay it on the line. Tell the affected people na sala sa init sala sa lamig naman sila. Kapag hindi sila nagbigay ng lockdown order at may namatay kapag sumabog, sisisihin sila. Kapag naman pinapatupad like now eh sisisihin pa din sila because people can't go on with their lives. Sabihin nila na trabaho nila na intindihin at sabihin kung ano ibinibigay na senyales ng bulkan at magbigay ng reco mula doon.

Nakakaawa lang kasi Philvocs na tinitira na lang ng ganun-ganun eh. Ipaglaban naman nila punto nila. Kulang imho.

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Mahirap naman yang gusto mo. Trabahong Digong yan/trabahong tamad/trabahong bastos. Yes this is exasperating work. But you still need to show human decency and respect. It worked for Mayon and look how they fared. The Tanauan mayor already drew flak when she made people sign a waiver they will not receive aid if they went back.

You want foreigners to tell us how we deal with the crisis? We have our own experts. Yung simpleng Magnitzky Act at ICC nga lang dami na reklamo. We are in constant contact with foreign counterparts, and yes they say the same thing as us. But like I said its professional courtesy to let the local experts say it. How would you like it if your neighbor tells you how to deal with your family? We don't give tell the Japanese, the Icelanders, the Indonesians, etc. how to deal with their earthquakes and volcanoes, so why should they do that to us.

PHIVOLCS equipment and expertise is at par with other organizations. We're not as poor or as stupid as some people think.

[Yatta]

Hay naku talaga Philvocs. Anong klaseng analogy yun sinasabi nila na parang sinuntok mo daw yun pisngi mo kaya siyempre lulubog tapos mamaga then mag crack.

Is that the best explanation they can come up with?

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Its called "analogies". Its a way of explaining complex stuff by relating it to common occurrences.

[shadow]

Its called "analogies". Its a way of explaining complex stuff by relating it to common occurrences.

Hinde ba pwede icompare sa boiling water in a pot or mantika for that matter? Pinaka simple yun suntok? Mas naiintindihan ng mga displaced residents yun suntok?

"lumubog yun pisngi, namaga sa kabila kaya nag crack sa taas" something to that effect...

Kung ganyan mag explain wala talagang makikinig na mga nakatira doon.


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[dr. d]

just listening to the radio now. philvolcs person explaining.
our philvolcs does not lack for intelligence. the science is there.
but they have to have a very good speaker... someone who speaks and sounds with authority.
and i do not think, quoting furrin findings will help.

the TV host.
he says they did a better job at pinatubo.
resource speaker counters, in essence, "we got lucky with pinatubo. it behaved according to the usual. taal refuses to behave as per scientific literature."

[KingoftheNorth]

just listening to the radio now. philvolcs person explaining.
our philvolcs does not lack for intelligence. the science is there.
but they have to have a very good speaker... someone who speaks and sounds with authority.
and i do not think, quoting furrin findings will help.

the TV host.
he says they did a better job at pinatubo.
resource speaker counters, in essence, "we got lucky with pinatubo. it behaved according to the usual. taal refuses to behave as per scientific literature."

Sounds to me like tradpols using the PHIVOLCS as their whipping boy to the media to play up to their base affected by the eruption of Taal. If anyone bothers to patiently listen to Dr. Solidum's interviews on AM radio, he gives a pretty good account of what' going on with Taal in plain language. Tinagalog pa nga.

[dr. d]

Sounds to me like tradpols using the PHIVOLCS as their whipping boy to the media to play up to their base affected by the eruption of Taal. If anyone bothers to patiently listen to Dr. Solidum's interviews on AM radio, he gives a pretty good account of what' going on with Taal in plain language. Tinagalog pa nga.

i agree.
it's science versus politics.

[uls]

yan na ang sinasabi ko pag iinitan ang philvocs but i didn't expect it this soon

di pala weeks turn into months

days turn into weeks palang galit na ang mga tao sa philvocs

affected residents see philvocs as hadlang

hadlang sa kanilang buhay

they can't start rebuilding their lives if they can't go back to their land

if taal doesn't erupt soon mas lalo mahirapan ang gobyerno i-enforce ang danger zone

people + politicians will be increasingly convinced the massive eruption isn't gonna happen

[uls]

and the longer taal doesn't explode, politicians are gonna pressure philvocs even more

[istan]

Rings true

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[Wh1stl3r]

Di na natapos yung campaign period for some trapos.

[shadow]

PNP regional director Danao: Nakikiusap po ako kay Talisay Vice Mayor Charlie Natanauan na tumulong na lang at huwag nang mag-udyok sa mga residente na bumalik. Kapag bumalik pa 'yang mga 'yan at may nangyaring masama, 'pag inabot kitang buhay, iaalay kita sa Bulkang Taal. [emoji23]




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[uls]

hirap sitwasyon ng mga LGU

mga residente nagrereklamo sa kanila

pero wala sila magawa coz may national govt order

ipit sila

[KingoftheNorth]

yan na ang sinasabi ko pag iinitan ang philvocs but i didn't expect it this soon

di pala weeks turn into months

days turn into weeks palang galit na ang mga tao sa philvocs

affected residents see philvocs as hadlang

hadlang sa kanilang buhay

they can't start rebuilding their lives if they can't go back to their land

if taal doesn't erupt soon mas lalo mahirapan ang gobyerno i-enforce ang danger zone

people + politicians will be increasingly convinced the massive eruption isn't gonna happen

That's usually the precursor to a large-scale tragedy. Tapos hugas kamay bigla pag meron masamang nangyari.

[Ry_Tower]

Mahirap naman yang gusto mo. Trabahong Digong yan/trabahong tamad/trabahong bastos. Yes this is exasperating work. But you still need to show human decency and respect. It worked for Mayon and look how they fared. The Tanauan mayor already drew flak when she made people sign a waiver they will not receive aid if they went back.

You want foreigners to tell us how we deal with the crisis? We have our own experts. Yung simpleng Magnitzky Act at ICC nga lang dami na reklamo. We are in constant contact with foreign counterparts, and yes they say the same thing as us. But like I said its professional courtesy to let the local experts say it. How would you like it if your neighbor tells you how to deal with your family? We don't give tell the Japanese, the Icelanders, the Indonesians, etc. how to deal with their earthquakes and volcanoes, so why should they do that to us.

PHIVOLCS equipment and expertise is at par with other organizations. We're not as poor or as stupid as some people think.

That is not what I meant. My main point is that Philvocs could probably cite the findings and suggestions of foreigners who are also experts to show that their warnings for people not to return is really founded on good science.

Kumbaga hindi lang naman sila nagsasabi lang niyan. Para kasi na yung Philvocs ngayon eh kinakainisan pa ng mga taong affected.

Don't get me wrong, what I want is people to realize the gravity of situation so that they would stop criticizing Philvocs - hopefully. Also I did mot intent for foreigners to dictate to us what to do. Saan naman sa post ko na sila magsasabi ng dapat gawin? What I waould have wanted is cite their own findings and analysis as well but it is still Philvocs that will decide with the cooperation of the admin.

Please naman pati ba naman dito nagbabangayan pa eh we all wnat the same thing. For this end calmly with Tall simmering down.

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[Ry_Tower]

yan na ang sinasabi ko pag iinitan ang philvocs but i didn't expect it this soon

di pala weeks turn into months

days turn into weeks palang galit na ang mga tao sa philvocs

affected residents see philvocs as hadlang

hadlang sa kanilang buhay

they can't start rebuilding their lives if they can't go back to their land

if taal doesn't erupt soon mas lalo mahirapan ang gobyerno i-enforce ang danger zone

people + politicians will be increasingly convinced the massive eruption isn't gonna happen

Exactly, philvocs is getting hammered pero I think there is a way to mitigate this.

As pointed out already, maybe they do need a better spokesperson. Also, maybe more cooperation with DILG para kasam lagi DILG representative to explain the governments decision as recommended by Philvocs. Anything actually to tell people that Philvocs is actually doing their job and as pointed out by Yatta and verbl kint that they are really good at it.

[Yatta]

That is not what I meant. My main point is that Philvocs could probably cite the findings and suggestions of foreigners who are also experts to show that their warnings for people not to return is really founded on good science.

Kumbaga hindi lang naman sila nagsasabi lang niyan. Para kasi na yung Philvocs ngayon eh kinakainisan pa ng mga taong affected.

Don't get me wrong, what I want is people to realize the gravity of situation so that they would stop criticizing Philvocs - hopefully. Also I did mot intent for foreigners to dictate to us what to do. Saan naman sa post ko na sila magsasabi ng dapat gawin? What I waould have wanted is cite their own findings and analysis as well but it is still Philvocs that will decide with the cooperation of the admin.

Please naman pati ba naman dito nagbabangayan pa eh we all wnat the same thing. For this end calmly with Tall simmering down.

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I get your point. But ang dating sa akin, and I'm probably wrong is may racist undertones. Like "little brown brother needs big white brother" to validate and give weight to his finding.

In another place and time, like a few years ago when a Fil-Am doctor got questioned by an American patient where she got her degree and demanded a white doctor.

Here's a published paper on Taal by my colleague:

A synthesis and review of historical eruptions at Taal Volcano, Southern Luzon, Philippines

[dr. d]

I get your point. But ang dating sa akin, and I'm probably wrong is may racist undertones. Like "little brown brother needs big white brother" to validate and give weight to his finding.

In another place and time, like a few years ago when a Fil-Am doctor got questioned by an American patient where she got her degree and demanded a white doctor.

Here's a published paper on Taal by my colleague:

A synthesis and review of historical eruptions at Taal Volcano, Southern Luzon, Philippines

i am reminded of a real story many years ago.
the rich filipino went to the usa, to consult the white specialist there for his allergy.
the white allergy specialist said, "why come all the way here? the best allergologist in the world is right there in your country."

"imported is better."
after all these decades, it's still alive.

OT.