Scandals in the First Family

[Belisarius]

Hello ! Is she that dear to you?

[BoyFerrari]

Hello ! Is she that dear to you?

Actually, i did not vote for her in the last elections, my dear.

[Belisarius]

Then why bother to defend her?

[BoyFerrari]

Then why bother to defend her?

I am not defending her. I am defending the legal process of removing
presidents from office. Your suggestions on how to remove GMA are the
very ones that make the Pinoy-masa "barbarian-minded" who are too
stupid to understand what the law requires.

These are the same "barbarian-minded" masa who cannot seem to elect
a respectable president for the last 30 years, who loves to cheat during
elections, who only understands people power to correct its own mistakes,
and loves to spread rumors thru text messages - and believes in them.

In my exclusive circle of friends, those who often speak recklessly
without an iota of thought about what they are talking about, are either
on drugs, or gays. Again, i am referring this observation specifically to
my circle of friends.

But like the proverb goes, " if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and
quacks like a duck, i say it's a duck ".

[ILuvDetailing]

I am not defending her. I am defending the legal process of removing
presidents from office. Your suggestions on how to remove GMA are the
very ones that make the Pinoy-masa "barbarian-minded" who are too
stupid to understand what the law requires.

ERAP was also unconstitutionally removed from his office. I think the point of posters here are pointing out the GMA's first term in office was unconstitutional to begin with. Now if she's proven beyond reasonable doubt that she cheated in the recent election then she should step down, I don't care if her successor is "qualified", whats the point of an election if there is cheating (Which is yet to be proven)?

[BlueBimmer]

cheater kc c pandak..well not proven pa naman pero her silence is only making her look guilty..nobody likes a cheat

[baiskee]

i am quite certain that it was the GMA camp who had garcillano monitored (by wiretap)... to make sure that he wasnt going to be cheating GMA. apparently, medyo kilala na yang si garci as a veteran "fixer", so perhaps the GMA camp couldn't completely trust him, hence the need to "make sure" that he was kept in line.

totoo to...

sec. raul gonzales... pakinggan mo muna yung cd, bago ka dumakdak dyan.

ang hirap nyan eh..baka napakinggan mo na....pinagtatakpan mo pa ang katotohanan.

for the gov't agencies...pag trabahuan nyo naman ang nagpapasweldo sa inyo... bakit parang nagtratrabaho lang kayo sa iisang tao at pinagtatakpan nyo ang baho? pare-pareho lang kayong binabayaran ng taong bayan para ilabas ang totoo dahil ang sineserbisyuhan nyo ay ang REPUBLIKA NG PILIPINAS at hinde ang isang indibidwal.

[BlueBimmer]

ang sineserbisyuhan nyo ay ang REPUBLIKA NG PILIPINAS at hinde ang isang indibidwal.

kng ganyan lng magicp mga tao sa gobyerno natin e matagal na tayong umunlad..

[IceColdBeer]

ERAP was also unconstitutionally removed from his office. I think the point of posters here are pointing out the GMA's first term in office was unconstitutional to begin with. Now if she's proven beyond reasonable doubt that she cheated in the recent election then she should step down, I don't care if her successor is "qualified", whats the point of an election if there is cheating (Which is yet to be proven)?

Correct! Ang problema kasi kadalasan eh yung double standard.

[oldblue]

what's wrong with double standard? it makes you more of a person if you can adapt to that kind of situation. Most leaders/bosses employ double standard type of leadership/rule to their subordinates. And they dont admit it. usually, the subordinate who can relate/understand/accept/adjust to it gets next in line. But it doesnt necessarily mean to submit to it.

let's take for example ABS-CBN media, they promote the family hence, KAPAMILYA. what does it suggest? your family is important to us, each family/holiday occassion is important to us, you should be with your family & loved ones. Pero tignan mo mga leading newscasters basta may news kahit Holy Week, Pasko, or in Vacation, tinatawagan at required mag-news.

[Bogeyman]

ERAP was also unconstitutionally removed from his office. I think the point of posters here are pointing out the GMA's first term in office was unconstitutional to begin with. Now if she's proven beyond reasonable doubt that she cheated in the recent election then she should step down, I don't care if her successor is "qualified", whats the point of an election if there is cheating (Which is yet to be proven)?

See, that's the problem. The opposition can't even come up with a plausible and coherent story on how exactly GMA cheated in the last elections. They have the audio tape all right, but they can't put together the right "script" to back it up. Plus their witnesses have extremely questionable backgrounds and motives.

In Erap's case, testimony pa lang ni Clarissa Ocampo, taob na siya. And Ocampo had no political agenda to begin with, as well as an untarnished background. That's the difference between Erap then and GMA now.

[ILuvDetailing]

In Erap's case, testimony pa lang ni Clarissa Ocampo, taob na siya. And Ocampo had no political agenda to begin with, as well as an untarnished background.

Was he convicted? Was he given a "fair" trial?. And why is GMA silent about this matter?

[IceColdBeer]

what's wrong with double standard? it makes you more of a person if you can adapt to that kind of situation. Most leaders/bosses employ double standard type of leadership/rule to their subordinates. And they dont admit it. usually, the subordinate who can relate/understand/accept/adjust to it gets next in line. But it doesnt necessarily mean to submit to it.

let's take for example ABS-CBN media, they promote the family hence, KAPAMILYA. what does it suggest? your family is important to us, each family/holiday occassion is important to us, you should be with your family & loved ones. Pero tignan mo mga leading newscasters basta may news kahit Holy Week, Pasko, or in Vacation, tinatawagan at required mag-news.

I think you're completely way out of line here. The newscasters don't enjoy the privilege of having holidays unless they apply for it.

Ang ibig kong sabihing double standard ay eto. Si Erap natanggal at nakulong without due process, tapos ngaun kay GMA ang sasabihin nila idaan sa due process dahil yun ang tama? Bakit hindi nila gawin kay Erap yun para walang double standard?

[IceColdBeer]

Clarissa Ocampo? Oh well, di ba meron ng witness na nagsabi na walang kinalaman at mali ang mga sinabi ni CO? Who else? Chavit Singson? :bwahaha:

Kay GMA sino ang witness? Di ba mga jueteng operators mismo?

[baiskee]

See, that's the problem. The opposition can't even come up with a plausible and coherent story on how exactly GMA cheated in the last elections. They have the audio tape all right, but they can't put together the right "script" to back it up. Plus their witnesses have extremely questionable backgrounds and motives.

natatawa ako dito... hahaha

sabi ko nga... all gov't agencies should work, reveal the truth. kaso...sila pa nangunguna pagtakpan ang baho ng presidente. kaninong pera ba isinwesweldo nila...kay gloria ba? hinde! sa taong bayan!

NBI? DOJ? sino pa... pareparehong humahalik sa pwet ni gloria mga andyan eh.

[Bogeyman]

Was he convicted? Was he given a "fair" trial?. And why is GMA silent about this matter?

In fairness to the previous administration, hindi muna dapat nag-walkout yung members ng prosecution panel. That way, we would have learned about what the second envelope really contained without going through another EDSA. But then, it wasn't the impeachment court which found probable cause to eject Erap from office; it was the people, and that's what matters more.

With regards to a fair trial, isn't that what the Sandiganbayan is trying to do? I say "trying" because if only Erap's lawyers would stop throwing various delaying tactics along the way, the trial would go much more smoothly than it is now.

It's but proper for GMA to be silent about the matter, IMO. First of all and secondly, the supposed 'evidence' was illegally obtained. If the opposition uses that in any court of law, it will only backfire in their faces. Kung talagang matindi yung ebidensiya nila, why don't they go ahead and file a case, instead of merely trumpeting their intentions left and right through the media? The answer is simple: yung paratang lang ang mabigat, hindi ang ebidensiya. Unless the opposition provides plausible evidence of wrongdoing, grave enough to convene another impeachment court, then she would be better off ignoring them altogether and instead go about her duties as President.

The more prudent thing to do would be to wait until she finishes her term, make sure she doesn't go for another one, and then nail her with every crime in the book.

[ILuvDetailing]

But then, it wasn't the impeachment court which found probable cause to eject Erap from office; it was the people, and that's what matters more.

Now I don't get this. What about due process? So GMA should get due process? How about Erap, did he get his due process? This is the issue here. Thats the double standard we are talking about.

Unless the opposition provides plausible evidence of wrongdoing

Was the evidence against Erap plausible? Again the double standard issue.

[Bogeyman]

Now I don't get this. What about due process? So GMA should get due process? How about Erap, did he get his due process? This is the issue here. Thats the double standard we are talking about.

At least Erap had as much as an impeachment court to his name, where both sides were able to present evidence, field witnesses and note every testimony. Eh si GMA, wala pang ebidensiya, pinagbibitiw na, all thanks to the opposition's drumbeating. When the Manila Times was closed down, was Erap held accountable? He should have been, but they let it die down, and he was able to go about his duties as President. If you think about it, Erap had more opportunities for due process during his term than GMA now.

Was the evidence against Erap plausible? Again the double standard issue.

Again also, that's what the Sandiganbayan is doing. He hasn't been convicted of any crime, has he? The process is still ongoing, and it would have been finished if not for his delaying tactics. If the case drags on for 20 years or so, he has no one to blame but himself.

[woulfe27]

hihihi...

baka naman kasi compare kay marcos eh garapal talaga ang pagka corrupt ni PGMA...

No.2 in Asia... most corrupt country.

nung panahon ni marcos kasi...palaban ang pilipinas versus other asian countries.

palaban? palaban saan? nagkataon lang lang na yung ibang Asian countries gained their independence at a much later time than tha Philippines, kaya parang mas maunlad tayo ng konti sa kanila nung time ni Marcos.

[ILuvDetailing]

Again also, that's what the Sandiganbayan is doing. He hasn't been convicted of any crime, has he? The process is still ongoing, and it would have been finished if not for his delaying tactics. If the case drags on for 20 years or so, he has no one to blame but himself.

Erap hasn't been convicted of any crime thus GMA had no right to assume office, if you go by the constitution.