Generator sets

**Retz** · January 3rd, 2014 11:12 AM

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Sir manikis, parang natanong ko na rin sayo ito dati..... but il ask again. advisable ba na may kasama ng ATS sa loob ng genset? or mas maganda na separate ung ATS from the genset? mahal din kasi ung free standing na ATS. kaya i was thinking na mas makakatipid kung kasama na sa genset.

**badkuk** · January 5th, 2014 05:52 PM

i asked around, seems mostly china brand na ang binebenta sa evangelista. The few shops that were carrying honda, robin, etc. , sobrang laki ng price diff: for a 5-6kva diesel generator, ~35k lang; equivalent Japan brand nasa 70k upwards .

Ganun na ba talaga presyuhan ng Japan brands ngayon?

What engines do Powermate units use?

**badkuk** · January 6th, 2014 10:39 AM

guys, i came across some ads on sulit.com, Denyo 6kva diesel nasa 60k pesos. Ok na ba sya?

**glenn manikis** · January 6th, 2014 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by badkuk

guys, i came across some ads on sulit.com, Denyo 6kva diesel nasa 60k pesos. Ok na ba sya?

mag china ka nalang sir.... ang matitibay na denyo yung malalaking unit...

IMO same lang ng quality yan ng ibang china made genset like yanma or yangdong...

saan mo po ba balak gamitin sir? ilang hours ang gamit nyo?

standby or emergency use lang ba?

**glenn manikis** · January 6th, 2014 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Retz

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Sir manikis, parang natanong ko na rin sayo ito dati..... but il ask again. advisable ba na may kasama ng ATS sa loob ng genset? or mas maganda na separate ung ATS from the genset? mahal din kasi ung free standing na ATS. kaya i was thinking na mas makakatipid kung kasama na sa genset.

same lang ang price nyan sir retz... advantage ng build in- space saver at nasa loob na kasi ng ats... (less din sa part ng end user) ang cables na gagamitin...

pati battery charger build in na din... may mga controller na build-in ang battery charger...

pag dating sa price.. same lang yan sir...

if you want we can give you a special price sa ats... ilan kva ba usually ginagamit nyo?

**badkuk** · January 6th, 2014 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by glenn manikis

mag china ka nalang sir.... ang matitibay na denyo yung malalaking unit...

IMO same lang ng quality yan ng ibang china made genset like yanma or yangdong...

saan mo po ba balak gamitin sir? ilang hours ang gamit nyo?

Ang sabi kasi sa akin, most China gensets/engines, aluminum daw ang gamit sa motor windings vs. copper, which is bad..kaya umiiwas ako sa China made

standby or emergency use lang ba?

Emergency use lang sir, planning to run lights, ref, and possibly a 1hp water pump. Definitely going for diesel. Thanks

**Retz** · January 6th, 2014 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by glenn manikis

same lang ang price nyan sir retz... advantage ng build in- space saver at nasa loob na kasi ng ats... (less din sa part ng end user) ang cables na gagamitin...

pati battery charger build in na din... may mga controller na build-in ang battery charger...

pag dating sa price.. same lang yan sir...

if you want we can give you a special price sa ats... ilan kva ba usually ginagamit nyo?

Usually sir manikis nasa 250-750KVA ang ginagamit namin. Kung same lang price edi mas maganda kung built-in na ATS sa genset? para hindi na ako bibili separate na ATS. Pag may requirements ako pa quote ako sayo sir.

**badkuk** · February 10th, 2014 11:35 AM

sir glenn, san po makahanap nung Yanma genset? Can'd find it in Quiapo or Chinatown

**yebo** · February 10th, 2014 12:08 PM

ok ba yung Ryobi digital inverter generator? 1KW and 2 KW models? san mura?

**glenn manikis** · February 10th, 2014 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by badkuk

sir glenn, san po makahanap nung Yanma genset? Can'd find it in Quiapo or Chinatown

yanma...

my daughter have small units gas fed... 1kva, 1.5kva, 2.5kva, 3.8kva, 4kva, 7.5kva... according to my chinese friends Matibay daw same quality....

sobrang dami nilang stock nyan... as-in.....

mag open ang anak ko ng shop sa may Quezon ave. middle of march sila mag start... malapit lapit sa lahat...

**glenn manikis** · February 10th, 2014 01:10 PM

[QUOTE=badkuk;2289796]Ang sabi kasi sa akin, most China gensets/engines, aluminum daw ang gamit sa motor windings vs. copper, which is bad..kaya umiiwas ako sa China made

not true po... like cummins gensets, all units is in accordance with the global quality standard of cummins usa sir...

you can even verify po sa cummins phils. kung original po yun... kung magkaron din ng mechanical problem yung engine... pwede din ang CUMMINS phils ang gumawa po nyan.. provided under warranty pa din yung unit na binile nyo...

Even UK made PERKINS, German brand na duetz, US MADE CUMMINS, CATTERPILAR, pati mga german trucks and vehicles (MANUFACTURED by weichai) lahat po yan galing china din lang...

maliban sa US MADE Cummins--- yung cylinder head and engine block manufactured talaga sa US.

but everything else is made in china na, including the alternator or dynamo (heart of a generator)... the controller (brain)...

According po sa mga technicians dun sa china... the difference between china made cummins and USA made cummins engine block and cylinder head is the metalurgy.. there's a 2% difference daw po... pero pag dating sa price double na agad ang price ng US made cummins...

There was a time may nag order po samin ng noozle FOR 1000kva US MADE CUMMINS.... they gave us THE sample noozle... IT reads MADE IN USA... ang sabi po namin... meron kami nyan.. parehong pareho pati part no. etc... PERO managagaling pa ng CUMMINS china.. WE told them pareho lang ang gamit na noozle ng china made and us made cummins....

ayaw nila maniwala na made in china din yun noozle na nakakabit sa genset nila at galing daw talaga ng U.S. YUN...

sabi nila PAG U.S. made daw... dapat daw may made in usa na naka engrave...

NUNG dumating na yung noozle... they compared the two... parehong pareho pati may markings din na made in USA....

kami kasi sir.. honest seller kami.. kahit naka engrave pa na made in USA PA YAN.. kung sa china namin binile sasabihin talaga namin na made in china din yan... pero ang quality is in accordance with the global quality of cummins..

YUNG mga generator naman na cummins na pumapalya malamang galing po sa mga gumagawa ng fake na cummins yun sa china... or galing INDIA... OR hindi maganda ang pagka recondition na Cummins po yun at ipinapasa as brand new... OR ppwede din Factory defect...

**badkuk** · February 10th, 2014 04:19 PM

sir glenn, sent you PM...

Eto na po ba yun?

Yanma Machinery - Diesel Generators

Grabe pala price diff ng China- and Japan-made...in some cases more than x3 for a 5-6.7kvA diesel unit

btw, i did some reading on the copper vs aluminum winding thing...came across a paper that says aluminum it not necessarily inferior to copper, depende rin daw sa design ng motor to take advantage/adapt to aluminum windings.

**glenn manikis** · February 10th, 2014 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by badkuk

sir glenn, sent you PM...

Eto na po ba yun?

Yanma Machinery - Diesel Generators

Grabe pala price diff ng China- and Japan-made...in some cases more than x3 for a 5-6.7kvA diesel unit

btw, i did some reading on the copper vs aluminum winding thing...came across a paper that says aluminum it not necessarily inferior to copper, depende rin daw sa design ng motor to take advantage/adapt to aluminum windings.

YANMA? nakita ko na din sa china yan... hindi ko lang pinapancin at hindi ganun kaganda ibenta dito at hindi naman REGULAR NA may bumibile nyan... at maliit lang ang kitaan dyan... mabenta lang yan pag may power crisis at BER months...

ang mura lang nyan sa china...

kung alam nyo lang... pag nalaman nyo price baka pati kayo ma enganyo mag invest dyan...

meron pang tapat dyan daughter ko.. " Derek" china made pero ito usually ang rebrand or rebage ng ibang company tapos sasabihin nilang US OR JAPAN Brand... THEN jack up nila ng 2-3X ang price... actually rebrand din namin ito...

to be honest hindi pa namin personally subok itong generator na ito... ang balak ko dito gamitin namin ng continues for 2 weeks on prime power... or hangang tumirik...

**badkuk** · February 11th, 2014 10:20 AM

sorry sir, akala ko nagcacarry kayo ng Yanma :p i think it's a play on the Yanmar brand. Nung niresearch ko, the engine models they use for their generators match those of earlier(80's) Yanmar engines. Dunno if they licensed the technology or "adopted" it <wink wink nudge nudge>.

**skyflakes** · February 15th, 2014 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by glenn manikis

yanma...

my daughter have small units gas fed... 1kva, 1.5kva, 2.5kva, 3.8kva, 4kva, 7.5kva... according to my chinese friends Matibay daw same quality....

sobrang dami nilang stock nyan... as-in.....

mag open ang anak ko ng shop sa may Quezon ave. middle of march sila mag start... malapit lapit sa lahat...

sir glenn..san po sa Q.A. mag open daughter nyo?

**uls** · February 20th, 2014 06:13 PM

new arrival from japan -- 400kva nippon sharyo genset

**Walter** · May 3rd, 2014 09:03 PM

How much are 10 KVA & 20 KVA gas and diesel generators? If used 2-4 hours per day for a month or two, would a diesel generator still be worth it's price over a gasoline one?

**glenn manikis** · May 3rd, 2014 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by skyflakes

sir glenn..san po sa Q.A. mag open daughter nyo?

Quezon ave. near corner araneta... DUNAMIS Power

**glenn manikis** · May 3rd, 2014 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Walter

How much are 10 KVA & 20 KVA gas and diesel generators? If used 2-4 hours per day for a month or two, would a diesel generator still be worth it's price over a gasoline one?

pag ganyan rating sir.. usually puro diesel engines na po yan...

mas matibay po d-hamak ang diesel engines compare mo sa gas fed gensets...

ano po ba ang pag gagamitan ng gensets nyo?

**glenn manikis** · May 3rd, 2014 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Walter

How much are 10 KVA & 20 KVA gas and diesel generators? If used 2-4 hours per day for a month or two, would a diesel generator still be worth it's price over a gasoline one?

pag ganyan rating sir.. usually puro diesel engines na po yan...

mas matibay po d-hamak ang diesel engines compare mo sa gas fed gensets...

ano po ba ang pag gagamitan ng gensets nyo?

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