Does school really matter?

[jut703]

I hire lots of people. Trust me, for management track jobs, product or project associates, we are very very biased towards ateneo, la salle and UP. Am not saying we wont hire outside. Because we do. But 19 out of 20 times we/I hire from those top three schools. My work is hard enough and the competition is tough enough that i only want good soldiers with me. On average ( i know there are exceptions) their communication skills, presentation skills, use of powerpoint and excel, analytical and self starter skills are better than others. You have to be confident, well prepared and extremely good in communication (business English) to present to SVPs and partners. And yes this is for entry permanent positions. Afterwards, for higher positions i look for accomplishments and experience and less at the school.

But its a chicken and egg issue. We only pirate from other big companies who probably have the same standards we do for entry positions.

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Same experience here. Our last 10 hires:

3 UPD
4 Ateneo
2 DLSU
1 USC (Cebu)

EQaddict, pwede ba ko magpapirate sayo? Kahit tagatimpla mo lang ng kape 😁




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[zap.FREEDOM]

Kaya nga..attitude plays a big part, but so does education.

2 applicants, both fresh grads, both with equally good attitudes, yung isa galing good school yung isa hindi. Don't tell me na sa mata ng kumpanya pareho lang yan.


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Agree on this...there are some companies who are biased to those people who came from an exclusive colleges/university (sa qualification list pa lang e nabasa ko nuon sa jobstreet "Must be a graduate from top 3 university in the metro" but on the other hand during my job hunting days, We've encountered some guy who can't even talk straightforward on our group interview though he was a graduate of an exclusive university in the metro while us passed the 1st round of the interview while that guy was eliminated (btw, I'm product of cheap state university...PUP) dun namin nasabi minsan wala rin sa school, nasa tao din...so that, Interview is the greatest equalizer.

on other case naman, yung isa graduate as a cum laude from a provincial state college vs. this average guys who's a product of top university with decent scholastic record. pinaboran yung cum laude.

[admiralpye]

What I can say is that going to school gave me an advantage in the following: 1.) having a network of contacts from friends, classmates, org mates and teachers that benefit me until now; 2.) teaching me how to deal with different kinds of people and situations under pressure without great consequence if I made mistakes (kung sa negosyo ito baka malaking pera ang mawawala if I made a mistake); 3.) teaching me a good work ethic with the proper motivation/ doing good work for the sake of doing good and not merely for reward, and lastly 4.) teaching me how to approach different problems. My mind was trained to think properly, and yes it has to be practiced. It's not enough to be streetwise because the real world is bigger and more diverse than we think. Yan ang value ng school. Kahit masagwa ang teacher matututo ka by virtue of learning to deal with that kind of person. Academic learning should never be underestimated.


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[vvti2.0]

TS, huwag ka na lang magaral. di ka naman pala maha-hire kahit sa mapua ka mag-enroll hahahaha!

Ipunin mo na lang yang ibibigay na tuition at allowance mo start ka na lang ng talyer, tutal mahilig ka naman sa kotse. 1st year tuition bili ka tools. 2nd year bili ka ng car lift. 3rd year bili ka ng dyno. 4th year, tangna huwag ka na humingi baka mas malaki pa kita mo sa tatay mo!

Di ko alam kung joke ito paps, pero I always believe that fortune favors the brave... Kung agresibo ka sa negosyo sigurado aasenso ka basta alam mo ang pinapasok mo.

Meron dito sa amin, nag umpisa sa vulcanizing sa tabi tabi, inabot ng swerte, ngayun ilang branch na ang auto shop and accessories nya. Kasi kapag nakita ng mga tao na mapera na madiskarte ka at may potential na umasenso at mapagkakatiwalaan rin, sila mismo mag offer sayo na pahiramin ka capital.

[ClaNker]

TS, huwag ka na lang magaral. di ka naman pala maha-hire kahit sa mapua ka mag-enroll hahahaha!

Ipunin mo na lang yang ibibigay na tuition at allowance mo start ka na lang ng talyer, tutal mahilig ka naman sa kotse. 1st year tuition bili ka tools. 2nd year bili ka ng car lift. 3rd year bili ka ng dyno. 4th year, tangna huwag ka na humingi baka mas malaki pa kita mo sa tatay mo!

Natumbok mo paps!

Yung mga magulang na di kayang padala ang mga anak sa top 5 universities abay wag na lang mag sayang ng oras at pera.

[EQAddict]

Hard work goes a long way. Diligence and discipline. And of course some good grades. The interview is very important. If we had twenty new grads applying for just one entry level position, we can choose to be picky. And why shouldnt we? Its our duty to bring in the best into our organization to replace us when we ourselves become expendable.

But if you will be an entrepreneur, then maybe school of choice wont be as important. Nevertheless you must still have diligence, discipline and balls of steel to be one.

My 2 cents and if this helps you make a good decision that will affect the rest of your life, then it would have been worth the few minutes typing this.


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[jick.cejoco]

When my dad was still alive he always told me "Nobody gets rich by being an employee". I said to my friend who moved to New York to work: I'd rather be prince of the jungle than be a slave of the city. Success is not only monetary. It is the pursuit of happiness and comfort that matters and the capacity to help those in need.


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[Yatta]

Don't know if im in the right thread tho. but does school really matter? Planning to study in a less prominent university. (Letran intramuros)


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Letran is still a good school, I'd pick that over that school in Taft na dinikitan lang ng pangalan ng isang top university kaya nakilala.

[jut703]

When my dad was still alive he always told me "Nobody gets rich by being an employee". I said to my friend who moved to New York to work: I'd rather be prince of the jungle than be a slave of the city. Success is not only monetary. It is the pursuit of happiness and comfort that matters and the capacity to help those in need.


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I agree completely with this. At the end of the day, it's about happiness and making a positive impact on the lives of others.

Totoo rin na hindi ka yayaman as an employee, at least not here. You can be comfortable (have a house, a few cars, send kids to good schools, etc). But you won't be ostentatiously rich. Look at all the expensive villages in the country. A vast majority of those who reside in these places are businessmen, not corporate executives.

With that said though, going corporate is still a good phase to go through, even just for a while. Which is why it helps to invest in good education - to best equip you for the corporate world. From thereon, you should maximize the experience and life learning, which will benefit you whether you decide to climb the corporate ladder or pave a path of your own as a businessman or whatever calling you may choose.

Unfortunately, this entire discussion digresses from the main point of the thread - if a good school matters.



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[Ciz]

Thanks mga boss. Sabagay it really matters and onga pala bat ang UST eh parang wala nalang? Ateneo,dlsu, up nalang

May school na nadadala lang ng pangalan no offense po from what my friends told me sa benilde, la salle dasma iba daw kesa sa main.


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[Ciz]

Onga pala mga sir, share lang po. Nag oojt po kasi ako ngayon sa company namin. Bale nasa HR ako, pinaka basehan po talaga namin is experience. Siyempre may degree dapat 4 years.

Ang dami ko rin natututunan like makipag meeting sa mga stockholder minsan nga nanliliit ako pag nakakasama ko sila.


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[shelu]

i take this a no-brainer exercise. school matters. we are in a time where merit and fitness does'nt work anymore in the selection process. (for those who decide to become employees). top schools work just like how mafia operates. they simply hire people of their own. UP grads choose UP grads, DLSU grads choose DLSU grads and so on.....

[cast_no_shadow]

Thanks mga boss. Sabagay it really matters and onga pala bat ang UST eh parang wala nalang? Ateneo,dlsu, up nalang

May school na nadadala lang ng pangalan no offense po from what my friends told me sa benilde, la salle dasma iba daw kesa sa main.


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Asian rankings lamang pa UST sa DLSU


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[Ciz]

a diamond cut by an apprentice will maybe shine, a piece of glass cut by a master will sparkle like a gem. it takes both, student and school, for a graduate to stand out above the rest.

if the times were 1986-89, school mattered a lot. pag di ka graduate ng top 3 sa basurahan lang pupunta ang resume mo. ngayon di na masyado.

mapua? quartermester dun. di lang walang social life, baka mag-ipon ka lang ng sinko dun e di masisira lang ang first page ng transcript mo. think hard, kaya mo ba ang quartermester? ang pamangkin ko dun siya ng 1st year, wala naman daw natututunan parang nagfa-fast reading lang yung professor nila sa harap tapos exam na agad. puro sila sinko, may 3 o 4 lang daw na papasa. kaya ayun lumipat sa adamson, masaya siya at naa-appreciate nya yung lessons nila. graduating na ngayon. yun din isang pamangkin ko, yung last year nya na-implement yung quartermester. laking difference daw, yung dati may chance pa sila magtanong sa prof na i-explain ng mabuti pag mahirap yung lesson pero nung quartermester na e para lang daw sila nanunuod ng movie, wala na interaction between students and prof. mahirap e wala din rewind button. so kung wala ka din lang attitude na mag self study ng 18 hours a day e isip ka ng mabuti bago ka mag-enroll.

tignan mo mabuti ang ranking ng mapua. they used to be the #2 or #3 engineering school when it comes to placing and number of passers in the board exams. ngayon ano ranking nila? #17? i am not trying to put down mapua. what i do not like about them is that MAPUA COMMERCIALISED EDUCATION SO MUCH THAT THEY SACRIFIECED THEIR STUDENTS AND REPUTATION FOR THE SAKE OF PROFIT.

Hi, agree nagtataka rin talaga ako parang 80% na yata ng kakilala ko sa mapua nagsilipatan na. Sabi ng iba sa engineering daw konti lang ang pinapasa ng mga prof.

Pero ttry ko narin ang Mapua. I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. Yun nga lang ang daming negative comments about sa mapua. Bukas ko na malalaman if approve kay vice pres.


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[cpsolt]

Does school really matter?

not for me... nasa tao yun. on how one packages oneself (communication skills, appearance, confidence). kung di ka OA or trying hard mag-english saka superficial or canned ang mga sagot mo sa interview, saka hindi shabby ka manamit (proper combination/color ng suot mo), bad posture and that aura na di ka maangas/presko o sobrang takot sa interview... makakalusot ka.

siguro it does nung mga early 90's up to early 2000's. although may mga mangilan-ilang mga narrow minded companies na namimili pa din ng applicants from top colleges/universities.

[tearsday]

Students who can't handle that much pressure surely won't survive, kung first year pa lang kick out ka na eh wag mo naman ibuhos galit mo sa skul na nagpalayas sayo, nagaaral ka pa nga lang nyan eh pano pa kung bilyong dolyar na yang hinakawakan mo sa trabaho o ikaw mismo nagpapatakbo? Simple lang kung di ikaw mismo nakaexperience sa skul na hinuhusgahan nyo better naman siguro na magbigay din naman ng respeto, kung puro pera lang yan bakit may mga magulang na nagtitiwala at may nagaaral pa


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[dr. d]

having graduated from a reputable school, you have shown the world that you have the brains and perseverance to succeed.
the easiest way to gauge a person's intelligence, is to look for his diploma.
if he has none, either he's too poor to study, or he doesn't have the discipline and/or brains to study. and you will allow this undisciplined and/or under-intelligent person to wreak havoc on your workplace? perish the thought!

of course, there are exceptions! but these are... exceptions. maybe one in a thousand..
you think you're that one in the thousand?

go back to school, my good person.

[ano727]

Don't know if im in the right thread tho. but does school really matter? Planning to study in a less prominent university. (Letran intramuros)

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This is turning out to be a "school bashfest", marami yatang may pinaghuhugutan dyan.

To TS, I suggest you think hard what you want to achieve, list ALL the schools that you would like to try out, and take exam in each one of them if you can. Let the results and your further research (by asking reputable people, not bashers) shorten your list.

Good schools (generally but not always) give you better chances of landing a good first job. But success in life boils down to many key factors, among them include perseverance, hardwork and also a bit of luck. In the end, it's more important how you live your life than the choice of school.

[luis_]

Hi, agree nagtataka rin talaga ako parang 80% na yata ng kakilala ko sa mapua nagsilipatan na. Sabi ng iba sa engineering daw konti lang ang pinapasa ng mga prof.

Pero ttry ko narin ang Mapua. I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. Yun nga lang ang daming negative comments about sa mapua. Bukas ko na malalaman if approve kay vice pres.


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Ano ba mga bad comments at anong plano mong course? Ok naman sa mapua. Saktong aral lang makakagrad ka. Nadelay ako ng 2quarters dahil saktong aral nga lang din ako haha.

[e2romo]

Yes, but in this discussion, the student is the SAME.

Hindi naman yan student A na masipag goes to crap school vs student B na tamad goes to good school.

The student is the same. Assume nalang natin na masipag siya and may angking galing naman. Are you telling me that his chances of a good career start is the same whether he goes to a good school or not?


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If I will base the decision purely on paper, then school has an advantage. Pero if I can get 6 months trial on applicants then their character, attitude, and ability to deliver will be my basis and not their school.

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