AMD vs Intel

[FrankDrebin]

Originally posted by chokers
sir boybi nauubos ung system resources niyan kaya bumababagal.. dapat talga nag rerestart ka ng pc occasionally.. tsaka maganda rin un ino off mo kahit 10 mins minsan para nakakapahinga kahit papano...Ü

hmmm..pwede rin. or baka marami ng laman na ****. :D

Yung ginagamit naming proxy dito sa amin clone lang. walang extrang fan. p3 lang. parang 711. bukas 7/24. yun nga lang naka-aircon magdamag at wala gaanong laman. dedicated siya.

[boybi]

akala ko ba ok na magmanage ng system resources ang winxp?

hahaha, Frank, hindi naman naka load mga ****s ko, occasionally lang :bwahaha:

[mbt]

the latest Pentium 4's are even hotter than the Athlon thunderbirds. the online press has made a big deal of the Prescott's heat output.

also, if i remember right, the P4 EE doesn't wipe the Athlon64 in every performance test. but regardless, the P4 EE is a limited-edition processor and supplies are extremely limited. no use racing processors that practically exist only on paper.

i'd still go with AMDs; really good value, and as we all know, technology evolves so fast and computer parts depreciate in value so quickly that it just makes more sense to spend less on Athlons that, for the vast majority of users and applications, run virtually identically to pricier Intel procs.

[jkyamog]

Mag linux kayo, wala ng restart restart. Some of the servers I used to manage has uptime of more than 1 year. Right now 4 years na ako primary desktop OS ko ay Linux. Oks naman.

Also Intel top end chips is hotter than AMD chips, you can look at the spec sheets on heat dissipation.

[ghosthunter]

My home PC is an Athlon XP 2100+ and I've used the stock cpu fan and casing fan and left the computer running 24/7 for a few months and no problems. (I am running SETI*HOME kasi).

But I did encounter a few hangs when I tried playing Generals (or other high resource game) around noon time. My room gets pretty hot kasi. So I upgraded the cpu and casing fan with GlobalWin and Delta unit. The GlobalWin has its own thermal sensor which acts as a throttle, the hotter the sensor reading, the faster the fan. The Delta casing fan moves 4 times more air but its very very noisy. I have a speed control on it so I can slow it down when the system isn't running games and similar stuff.

I even have two digital thermometers... to measure the cpu and video temperatures...

BTW, my shop's newest PCs are Athlon XP 2000+ with GF FX5200 video cards & 256DDR. Although not cutting edge speed, they still rock! And each system only costs around P17200 (no monitor). Hopefully these systems will run the next generation of games...

[ILuvDetailing]

Microsoft's 64bit OS (Longhorn) doesn't come out until 2006 so there's no need to upgrade to a 64bit proc just yet.

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by ILuvDetailing
Microsoft's 64bit OS (Longhorn) doesn't come out until 2006 so there's no need to upgrade to a 64bit proc just yet.

but as PK said, the AMD64 claims that it can increase / optimize the performance of 32-bit apps & OS.

if longhorn is already 64-bit, can we run it on 32-bit CPUs? or is this an OS designed specifically for 64-bit CPUs?

[mbt]

that's true, but it appears that the Athlon 64's and the opterons are also incidentally the fastest 32-bit processors currently available hehe

[wildthing]

ghosthunter or pk or other computer gurus,

medyo OT pero....

ano ang maisusugest nyo sa PC na pang home use (me and my kids). Can you specify the specs and brands (of mother board and other peripherals).

My primary use -
Educational games for kids and not much of high-graphics games and internet surfing.

My secondary use -
other special criteria, could manipulate (capture) video for video editing - copying from cam to cd or dvd. Tama ba na ito ay graphics card related?

My budget sana ay below P20k if possible (CPU, HD, ram and videocard only). Out na sa gastos and Cd/DVD burner and Monitor.

Your inputs are greatly appreciated.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by wildthing
ghosthunter or pk or other computer gurus,

medyo OT pero....

ano ang maisusugest nyo sa PC na pang home use (me and my kids). Can you specify the specs and brands (of mother board and other peripherals).

My primary use -
Educational games for kids and not much of high-graphics games and internet surfing.

My secondary use -
other special criteria, could manipulate (capture) video for video editing - copying from cam to cd or dvd. Tama ba na ito ay graphics card related?

My budget sana ay below P20k if possible (CPU, HD, ram and videocard only). Out na sa gastos and Cd/DVD burner and Monitor.

Your inputs are greatly appreciated.

Like what I mentioned, my shop's newest PCs are:
AMD Athlon 2000+ XP
ECS mboard with built-in sound, 10/100 lan card and USB 2.0 ports
256DDR
Palit GeForce FX5200 128bit 128meg
Seagate 80gig HDD 7200rpm
casing 706 black (with clear side panel & fan)
no FDD, no CDROM
Price PHP17,200.00

I would suggest to increase the memory to 512meg and get the fastest processor your P20,000 budget will allow.

BTW, do you plan to get a firewire card for faster digital transfers from video camera? ... anyway, USB 2.0 isn't fast enough kasi for digital video transfers.

[ghosthunter]

BTW, what do you plan to use for video capture or transfer?

[jkyamog]

I think USB 2.0 is 480 MBits/s which is faster than Firewire/IEEE1394 400 MBits/s. USB 1.0 was the slow serial bus. Although despite this I personally use Firewire for my camcorder because of 2 things:

- Linux Firewire supports my Sony camcorder, My USB 2.0 can just detect but can't control it.
- Fireware has a standard when it comes to controlling a camcorder. So you are not limited if the manufacturer does not create a driver for your OS. I think USB will or may already have this, but 2 years ago I did not see one.

We don't have to wait for MS to release an OS. Actually Linux was one of the first if not the first OS to support x86 64-bit computing. Both AMD's x86-64 and Intel's IA-64 are already supported by Linux.

[wildthing]

thanks, nothing specific yet about the video...but I have had suggestions on a pixel view brand that allows video in and video out on the card.

I haven't considered firewire, kasi my thoughts where on analog video cam and vhs players pa.

san shop mo binili?

I have good feedback on ASUS motherboards...care for a comment on that brand?

[ssaloon]

alive and kicking pa yung athlon tbird 900 ko sa bahay. pero minsan lumalabas na yung edad ng system ko. time for an upgrade :evillaugh

[jkyamog]

Asus is the best motherboard manufacturer in terms of features, performance, etc. The prices is also on the higher end of the scale. Its a safe and worth it choice. Its like Toyota in terms of car brands. Asus also manufactures for tier 1 PC companies like HP, etc. Only ECS rivals Asus it terms of motherboards produced. But ECS manufactures different brands of boards, also ECS standards are not yet up to par with Asus. Good alternatives to Asus in the local market is MSI and Epox.

[ssaloon]

bihira nako makahanap ng purely MOBO lang... kadalasan, may kasama ng sound card, video card, etc. i plan to reuse my existing sound card (sb live value) when i upgrade as well as use a GF FX5900 video card. sayang lang kasi for me yung naka-built in sa MOBO pag ganon eh... any suggestions for MOBO? i'm looking at MSI na may DDR400 support and nforce2 as well.

[jeff]

BTTT, realistically a barton 2.5GHz (3200+) is more than enough to get all these games going. Para sakin hindi pa rin worth ang premium sa Intel processors. If i were to get a server, i'd go Intel, but for Gaming/Home use... solid AMD ako.

correction an axp 3200+ = 2.2ghz only. but why buy a 3200+ when you can get a cheaper mobile axp 2400+ and overclock it to 2.5ghz or higher. AMD is simply the best bang for the buck processor!

[boybi]

pwede mo naman i-disable sa bios setup yung built-in audio/video ng MOBO.

[ssaloon]

boybi, parang sayang lang kasi sa pera kung ganon eh... pwede ba dual video card?

[jkyamog]

Hi ssaloon,

MSI nforce2, MSI K7N2 Delta series in one of the best or the best nforce2 platform. Medyo hindi na ako ganoon ka updated sa PC hardware unlike dati. I think because getting interested in cars again, so the computer stuff ay medyo work na lang. Pero MSI nforce2 Delta series is very good, even better than the Asus counterpart.

nforce2 MCP2-T will already rival SB Live performance and even has more features. If you get a motherboard that has true MCP2-T then you can already think of selling your SB Live, for the extra money. That is what my bro in law did with the SB Live I sold him when he upgraded to a nforce2 MCP2-T board. I think it was the top end MSI delta series.