Algebra, Trigonometry, Chemistry

[claRkEnt]

foundation.... nothing else. papano magiging well rounded, eh nangangapa pa, college na!

The subjects cited as examples are Algebra, Trigo and Chemistry. If a high school graduate is interested to go to an engineering school, these subjects are offered during the first semester of the first year. The point is giving more emphasis on those "practical" subjects * high school.

Foundation. I get what you mean on this. But let's say, those taking up Midwifery or Nursing and a lot more other courses, do they really need to undergo 1-year foundation on Trigonometry?

There was a thread about that call center applicant wherein his "proficiency" in english had been laughed at. What if instead of trigo or algebra or chemistry, additional units are given to English subject during high school? More would benefit. And maybe with this, English subjects at college can already be dropped from the curriculum.

Just a personal view on the matter.

peace

[mrpink]

science subjects develop critical and analytical thinking because of the problem solving properties of these subjects ... that is why students who have a good foundation in math and science usually get into better schools and get better jobs .. not because they know algebra or the table of elements .. but through studying these .. na develop yung problem solving skills nila ..

[OTEP]

Agree with mrpink on that one. Sometimes it's not the subject per se but the skills that it helps develop in a person.

[oldblue]

kaya madami students parang galit sa mundo o kaya rebel without a cause. subconsciously, part ito mga subjects nito na pinupwersa sa kanila. eh ayaw nga nila pag-aralan pero pinagpipilitan ng matatanda.

[the_wildthing]

In another article on inq7 the reasons for the proposals were: 1) it is useless; 2) it can free up classrooms by cutting class time in half, then you could have two sessions.

As I've said before, it's not useless because it teaches us to think, and the answer to the second problem is actually to build more classrooms and to hire more teachers. As usual, pera nanaman. But that's another thread.

[Flagg]

Actually, basic lang naman mga Maths & Sciences sa HS e. Kahit Trig pa man yung pag-aralan.

It's bringing one's thinking to a higher level, more than anything else.

For example: Kung magiging artist ka, you'd be much better off knowing about The Golden Mean... Kung OJT nurse ka, you better not stand around shocked when the ER doc asks for an x%+y% solution, stat...

[city]

I agree with one of the posters...there are a lot of subjects that are far less important than math....hmmmm...religion?

[the_wildthing]

I agree with one of the posters...there are a lot of subjects that are far less important than math....hmmmm...religion?

Religion is not taught in public schools.

[swordsman]

science subjects develop critical and analytical thinking because of the problem solving properties of these subjects ... that is why students who have a good foundation in math and science usually get into better schools and get better jobs .. not because they know algebra or the table of elements .. but through studying these .. na develop yung problem solving skills nila ..

+1 on this

[swordsman]

kaya madami students parang galit sa mundo o kaya rebel without a cause. subconsciously, part ito mga subjects nito na pinupwersa sa kanila. eh ayaw nga nila pag-aralan pero pinagpipilitan ng matatanda.

so, palitan na lang natin ng *** education yong algebra, trigo at chem, para masaya sila? ok kaya *** education at PE the whole day, para garantisadong gusto ito ng mga anak natin. e di wala nang students na galit sa mundo. ayos! :hippie:

Come to think of it, ano ba papasukang trabaho ng mga high school graduates? Do they really need those subjects if they decided to stop studying and work instead? Sa mapapasukan nilang trabaho (if ever matanggap sila) for sure, di hahanapin proficiency or knowledge nila on the said matters. Now, pag college, ibang usapan na yan. Dapat ang estudyante well-rounded na.

I see the point of chiz escudero here. It's more towards practicality...

It's better to have it(the foundation) when you need it, than to need it and not have it.

In addition to the reasonable posts against this bill...sino ba naman mangangarap na makapagtapos ng hanggang elementary o high school lang. Madalang ang taong magsasabi na "Dapat hanggang high school lang ako." Ang hindi pagkakatuntong sa kolehiyo ay dala ng pagkakataon at kagipitan. Kung di mo sinasadya ay nakapag-college ka, pano ka na lang kung wala kang Algebra/Trigo/Chem foundation?

[Horsepower]

As earlier pointed out, were talking about foundation here. Old dogs can't learn new tricks. These are the things you use subconsciously everyday. It's like riding a bike, eventually you do it without figuring out how to do it, you just sit and pedal to cruise.

Example, Chemistry, at least, you know you cannot drink Liquid Nitrogen coz it will freeze you in seconds. hehe.

Mathematics, is the language of the universe. Numbers drive this world and the galaxy it's in.

IMHO, what should be done with Elementary and HS education here is to implement Montessori system in them. Montessori is the most efficient learning system I've had when i was young. Similar to UP Diliman except that when i got there, i got shocked with the culture which was very different with Montessori's conservative teaching.

from experience, you can easily ace these subjects even Physics and Calculus given more effort coupled with the right instructor. There are so many teachers who are intelligent but poorly hands down knowledge or have little idea on how to do so. This is where parents come in. You need to teach your child and continously monitor his/her progress if you want to raise a winner in life. One cannot be "madiskarte" without knowing the basics.

[mikmik316]

mga pre obvious na yang si Chiz e gumagawa lang ng propaganda para maging appealing sa mga masses... kung titingnan mo ang bira... tanggalin kasi nde naman nakakatulong sa paghanap ng trabaho, ang appeal ng bira nya e para sa mga mahihirap na hindi naman naghahanap ng kumplikadong trabaho.

Syempre ngaun pa lang pumapapel na yan para maging senador next year... tsk tsk..

[A121]

kaya madami students parang galit sa mundo o kaya rebel without a cause. subconsciously, part ito mga subjects nito na pinupwersa sa kanila. eh ayaw nga nila pag-aralan pero pinagpipilitan ng matatanda.

madami ba talaga? ang pag-aaral po para sa akin ay "it is not doing what you like but liking what you do"

paano sila matuto kung di nila yun kailangan pag-aralan. hindi lang naman algebra, trigo, and chemistry ang malalaman mo dun. ang matutunan nila ay yung analytical skills at syempre diskarte...

[oldblue]

so, palitan na lang natin ng *** education yong algebra, trigo at chem, para masaya sila? ok kaya *** education at PE the whole day, para garantisadong gusto ito ng mga anak natin. e di wala nang students na galit sa mundo. ayos! :hippie:

either way, nagaral man o hindi ganyan pa din binagsakan ng P'nas. dumami tayo at puro lakwatsa and recreation pinaka-importante sa lahat. nasa DNA o nasa dugo ng bata kung scientific mind sya. even if ma-delay lalabas at lalabas pa din yun.

take for example, mga HS dropouts na galit sa magulang at nag-car racing. ganun pa din direction nila scientific. car specific measurements, dynamics, technical specs, etc ... if we are to analyze that, mas ok pa foundation ng mga 'to kaysa sa mga schools. in the future, most of these boys will take a mechanical to technical course to enhance their skills. and neither DECS nor parents will force them na. voluntary na yan.

[oldblue]

madami ba talaga? ang pag-aaral po para sa akin ay "it is not doing what you like but liking what you do"

paano sila matuto kung di nila yun kailangan pag-aralan. hindi lang naman algebra, trigo, and chemistry ang malalaman mo dun. ang matutunan nila ay yung analytical skills at syempre diskarte...

hindi po lahat ng nagpapatakbo sa mundo ay analytical o scientific to get a job done. that's one thing we should all learn.

let's take for example, a boy student who wants to get access to an important online resource sa isang private company. the problem is the private company does not handout the resource that easily. one must work for it or search for it on his/her own. there are numerous analytical things a boy student can do. if he is good with computers, he will surf the massive company website from general to specific until he gets his info. imo, that's being analytical in a sense, coz he went thru the system; link after link, word for word, eliminating relevant or irrelevant resources, save related/semi-related documents to his harddrive, then analyze all data later if it's useful.

but take for a example what a girl student will do, she goes to the company address. she talks/interviews personally to guards and rank and file employees. if she is gifted with the arts (charms), she might even get to talk to a supervisor. at the end of a day, she gets a printout, a disc and a key to the company. puwede sya ulit bumalik kasi first name basis na sila hehehe

same analogy, with analytical hackers who hack passwords to get it in and steal another person's property. compare this to a girl who is armed with nothing but praises and admirations for another person. to the girl, that is the password and our world is filled with these girls/boys who drive fast cars, sleep in luxurious hotels, eat in expensive restos but they are not footing the bill.

[MXFX]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrpink
science subjects develop critical and analytical thinking because of the problem solving properties of these subjects ... that is why students who have a good foundation in math and science usually get into better schools and get better jobs .. not because they know algebra or the table of elements .. but through studying these .. na develop yung problem solving skills nila ..

+1 on this

make it +2

i teach math and have to explain this to students/individuals who brings up the "what for?" questions raised in this thread.

[Flagg]

...i teach math and have to explain this to students/individuals who brings up the "what for?" questions raised in this thread.

Sir fx, sagutin mo sila "You see that Infiniti? You drive one of those?"

If some rich punk gets smart, "With your own money?"

[cyrusblutrooper]

naghahanap lang si Congressman ng issue na mapapagusapan para sa media exposure di na siya masyadong napapansin ngayon. at isa pa, cool lang kayo mga peeps di naman yan papasa sa congress kasi OPOSISYON si chiz ala silang numbers. kaya Chiz dream on...

[nigo]

Gusto lang nyan dumami ang mangmang para bumoto sa politikong tulad nya.