Mazda CX-5

**c_cube** · July 17th, 2013 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by xperiarc

Ouch! Same kaya din sila ng battery ng Mazda 6? We're planning to get one kasi in a month or so.

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most likely it's the same.

wala pa kasing locally made na battery with start and stop function.

**JohnM** · July 17th, 2013 10:28 AM

Baka naman pwede gamitin ang local battery with the same size and capacity pero kung madetect ng ECU na di sya compatible di lang gagana ang iStop.

**c_cube** · July 17th, 2013 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by JohnM

Baka naman pwede gamitin ang local battery with the same size and capacity pero kung madetect ng ECU na di sya compatible di lang gagana ang iStop.

as per technical of berjaya, it cant be use. pero hindi ko natanong kung pag ordinary ang battery, mawawala lang ba ang istop feature ng sasakyan. kasi pwede naman i-off ang istop with a simple push of a button

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 11:32 AM

Para sa mga battery concerns nyo mga sir.

Pwede naman gumamit ng conventional battery, pero hindi na gagana ang iStop.

1) Is the construction of Q85/T110 battery for i-stop system the same as for
conventional battery?
 Compared with the conventional battery, required amount of charging and discharging for i-stop system battery is significantly higher because the engine is cranked frequently and electric power is supplied to the vehicle electrical systems only from the battery during the engine is stopped by i-stop system. In addition, after the engine is re-started, the battery must be re-charged quickly.
 For these reasons, compared with the conventional battery, i-stop system battery requires higher durability against frequent charging/discharging and charging acceptability. To achieve these performances, the number of battery plates is increased and the material is changed.
 On the other hand, dendrite short is more likely to occur due to smaller gap between
battery plates and occurrence of sulfation generated during battery.

 When a vehicle equipped with i-stop system stops at a red light, engine is stopped for fuel economy improvement. When the vehicle starts to drive again, the engine restarts. So, battery discharging and charging are repeated in a short period of time.
 Also, during i-stop operation, as electric power for air conditioning and audio systems etc. is supplied from the battery only, discharging occurs more than on vehicles without i-stop system.
 If a battery other than the specifically designed for i-stop is used instead, its lifecycle may be reduced or it may disable i-stop function.

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 11:34 AM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 11:40 AM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 11:51 AM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**rms55** · July 17th, 2013 12:14 PM

Hmmm.... that seems to be a hassle...
I wouldn't mind not being able to use Istop...
If I do get the CX5, I intent to turn of Istop all the time...
As good as this technologly is... I still don't think its as reliable as they say.... for now that is ....

*c_cube - how did you contact berjaya technical? is it their local mazda fb account?
if a local battery will just make istop deactivate... okay na yun....

**c_cube** · July 17th, 2013 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by rms55

Hmmm.... that seems to be a hassle...
I wouldn't mind not being able to use Istop...
If I do get the CX5, I intent to turn of Istop all the time...
As good as this technologly is... I still don't think its as reliable as they say.... for now that is ....

*c_cube - how did you contact berjaya technical? is it their local mazda fb account?
if a local battery will just make istop deactivate... okay na yun....

yesterday im talking thru phone with an agent. then i asked regarding the battery, she said that technical from berjaya is there conducting training (i think) then she asked them personally and that was the feedback given.

i think this agent is reliable because she dont answer randomly if she's not sure. she also informed me that the AWD is on demand only not the other agent i talked with saying it's all the time.

**jcf** · July 17th, 2013 12:49 PM

Hi,

I'm contemplating to trade my City to either CX-5 2.0 AT or Montero GLX 2.5 AT. My primary reason for converting are
1. City is too lowered for our community. Humps in our place are to high.
2. I need a bigger compartment space to accommodate delivery boxes for my business

The new headturner looks and size of CX-5 is exactly what I wanted for an SUV. I'm also thinking since it's more subcompact I won't have so much adjustments driving and parking it. I'm not an expert driver. However for a cheaper value, I can already get a Montero which becomes cheaper because of its diesel engine. It will also fit more delivery boxes which I will be having more often when stocks for my shops arrive. How many balikbayan boxes do you think CX-5 can accommodate? Hope you guys can help me.

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 01:15 PM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 01:16 PM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 05:06 PM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 05:13 PM

http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/g...top-system-pdf

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 05:23 PM

Is the construction of Q85/T110 battery for i-stop system the same as for
conventional battery?
Compared with the conventional battery, required amount of charging and discharging for i-stop system battery is significantly higher because the engine is cranked frequently and electric power is supplied to the vehicle electrical systems only from the battery during the engine is stopped by i-stop system. In addition, after the engine is re-started, the battery must be re-charged quickly.
For these reasons, compared with the conventional battery, i-stop system battery requires higher durability against frequent charging/discharging and charging acceptability. To achieve these performances, the number of battery plates is increased and the material is changed.
On the other hand, dendrite short is more likely to occur due to smaller gap between
battery plates and occurrence of sulfation generated during battery discharging.

**Densker** · July 17th, 2013 05:26 PM

CHARACTERISTICS AND FUNCTIONS OF I-STOP SYSTEM BATTERY 1) Difference between conventional battery and i-stop system battery
Compared to the conventional battery or the charge control battery, i-stop system battery has improved durability/charging acceptability. In order to achieve these performances, it has the following features.
1 More durability
(1) With the use of narrow grid, holding capacity of active material is raised to prevent active material from becoming softened and dropping.
Conventional type battery
i-stop system battery
Narrow grid
(2) Charging ability is improved by reducing
sulfation due to discharging.
※Sulfation :At this condition, battery cannot be reduced to lead and sulfuric acid
even after charging because lead sulfate, which is generated during battery discharging, causes coarsening in the recrystallization process.
Recrystallization progresses gradually. So, by keeping the discharging condition (with more lead sulfate included) for a long time, sulfation occurs, which lowers battery capacity or charging ability.

**JohnM** · July 17th, 2013 05:37 PM

If a battery other than the specifically designed for i-stop is used instead, its lifecycle may be reduced or it may disable i-stop function.

- quoted from what I assume is the same pdf you have

Big question na lang is if the 17k i-stop battery will last at least 3x longer than the 5k Motolites to justify their price.

**Balikpinoy** · July 17th, 2013 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by c_cube

confirmed it already, motolite or likes CANT be use for AWD. the battery for AWD cost 17k (casa price) which is gud for 1-1/2 yrs to 2 yrs.

all the money saved from PMS will break even for the battery cost.

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Confirmed with who? The casa? Of course they'll say it's incompatible. No car manufacturer would put out a worldwide product and insist that their customers must need to buy parts only at the casa. There will always be an aftermarket alternative to common car parts.

**c_cube** · July 17th, 2013 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Balikpinoy

Confirmed with who? The casa? Of course they'll say it's incompatible. No car manufacturer would put out a worldwide product and insist that their customers must need to buy parts only at the casa. There will always be an aftermarket alternative to common car parts.

2 casas confirmed that it is using a different battery, one quoted it for 15k and 17k for the other. also looking closely at the battery of awd you will notice the "for start stop" but for the 2.0, none of these were written

you can check from the net that there are types of battery with start stop function. for europe they are plenty but as of this posting, i believe no one is selling it locally

question is, if using ordinary battery can still be use and resulting to non use of istop?

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**victorevolution** · July 17th, 2013 07:12 PM

istop- like the system they put in those mini but it is a little bit buggy(sa mini)

query- if the engine is in paused mode instead of stop.. will the aircon also shut off, since normally this is connected to the engine save if it is an electric compressor?

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