All New Isuzu MU-X // Alterra Next Generation

[macsd]

Yes for the time being. Next year the new 2.4 fortuner will beat this 2.5vgs.

What's the claimed FC of this new fortuner?

[wonderloo]

Guys ano ba talaga real deal sa release ng new plates...sino may at fault...LTO DEALER or yun SALES AGENT niyo?

Any experience if mas mabilis ba release sa region 4a or Ncr plates? Para I know which dealer to buy from.

Yeah the FC review ng mux is really attractive.

[CarBurn]

Im sure Sir that your whole family will be comfortable. We just got our MU-X last Thursday and the whole family are loving it. They love the ride comfort and how spacious it is. Deal breaker po kasi sa akin yung masikip na 3rd row seat that's why i meticulously checked every SUV that i was interested in during our SUV search. Kelan po yung labas ng MU-X nyo Sir?

Baka next week na sir. Kahapon lang dumating sa bank branch yun pipirmahan namin ni misis .

[weisshorn]

di ko concern ang dpf problem kapag na phase out ang euro 2 palitan ng euro4 ang diesel sa pinas. ang major worry ko sa euro2 diesel engine ay ang bilis ng "wear & leakages" sa fuel system pag euro4 na ang diesel supply. ang mahal ng fuel injectors & fuel pump, magasto kapag naging problematic mga ito.

[Djerms]

di ko concern ang dpf problem kapag na phase out ang euro 2 palitan ng euro4 ang diesel sa pinas. ang major worry ko sa euro2 diesel engine ay ang bilis ng "wear & leakages" sa fuel system pag euro4 na ang diesel supply. ang mahal ng fuel injectors & fuel pump, magasto kapag naging problematic mga ito.

So bakit magkakaleak? Do you know this for a fact?

All our euro 2 diesels have been getting exclusive euro 4 fuels since purchased. Ive seen euro 2 diesels running hundreds of k's in their engine using euro4 fuels without any problems. In fact one of my euro 2 vehicles had stalling problems using euro 2 fuels and was solved using euro 4 fuels. I dont get what you are worried about.

Also i dont get your dpf statement. Wala naman dpf ang euro2 vehicles for you to worry over when euro 4 diesels come in. Do you know the problem with dpf relative to euro 2 fuels in the first place?

[LancerA174A]

Tska all oil companies assured naman na their Euro IV products are backwards compatible with Euro II engines, as long as bago ang mga seal ng mga lumang sasakya.

[macsd]

Guys ano ba talaga real deal sa release ng new plates...sino may at fault...LTO DEALER or yun SALES AGENT niyo?

Any experience if mas mabilis ba release sa region 4a or Ncr plates? Para I know which dealer to buy from.

Yeah the FC review ng mux is really attractive.

The plate issue is all about the stupidity and ineptness of LTO. I guess their just relatively the same whether NCR or R4a thus it just boils down to your preference.

Only because of the FC bring's me to have interest of MUX. i'm holding my purchase after getting pissed off from IPC sales mentality in August only to provide what i was implying to them this month.

Now i'll wait for for January as there might be a bigger price drop and how it will fare against new fort & monty.

[StockEngine]

What's the claimed FC of this new fortuner?

Ot

13-15km/liter thats for the 2.4 6AT Fort in Thailand.

[wonderloo]

The plate issue is all about the stupidity and ineptness of LTO. I guess their just relatively the same whether NCR or R4a thus it just boils down to your preference.

Only because of the FC bring's me to have interest of MUX. i'm holding my purchase after getting pissed off from IPC sales mentality in August only to provide what i was implying to them this month.

Now i'll wait for for January as there might be a bigger price drop and how it will fare against new fort & monty.

Hi there. Same the FC is a big reason why I'm considering the MUX. anyway I sent you a message

[weisshorn]

yung euro4 diesel kasi ay ulsd, sobra baba ng sulphur content. manipis at mdyo magaspang, very low ang lubricity. malakas ang tagas ng diesel oil in between ng plunger & barrel ng fuel pump lalo na pag mdyo mahaba na ang working hrs. malakas din ang tagas sa seal ng barrel. yan po experience ko sa big diesel engines. this is my personal experience po.
di ko sinabi na problema ang dpf sa euro 2 engine. yung sinabi ko ay walang pinapatamaan na comment yun, sa sarili ko yun. intended yun sa mga nagsasabi na mahal ang dpf filter pag masira.
gumagamit din ako ng euro 4 unioil diesel sa first gen tucson ko pero mix lagi ng euro2 para ma preserve ko ang lubricity ng diesel oil sa tanke.
yes po alam ko po na magka problema ng dpf filter pag ginamitan ng high sulphur diesel. alam ko rin po ang operation and maintenance ng diesel engine yan po trabaho ko for the past 38 years.

[Djerms]

yung euro4 diesel kasi ay ulsd, sobra baba ng sulphur content. manipis at mdyo magaspang, very low ang lubricity. malakas ang tagas ng diesel oil in between ng plunger & barrel ng fuel pump lalo na pag mdyo mahaba na ang working hrs. malakas din ang tagas sa seal ng barrel. yan po experience ko sa big diesel engines. this is my personal experience po.
di ko sinabi na problema ang dpf sa euro 2 engine. yung sinabi ko ay walang pinapatamaan na comment yun, sa sarili ko yun. intended yun sa mga nagsasabi na mahal ang dpf filter pag masira.
gumagamit din ako ng euro 4 unioil diesel sa first gen tucson ko pero mix lagi ng euro2 para ma preserve ko ang lubricity ng diesel oil sa tanke.
yes po alam ko po na magka problema ng dpf filter pag ginamitan ng high sulphur diesel. alam ko rin po ang operation and maintenance ng diesel engine yan po trabaho ko for the past 38 years.

Old news na yung low lubricity ng ulsd sa euro4. It was rectified a long time ago. Besides, may biodiesel blend pa yung local fuels to add to lubricity. Even jeepneys now use euro 4 fuels. Dont worry.

Sorry no offense meant. I really just dont see any point of concern in using the fuel. I know of a 200kms plus on odo on the euro4 fuel and engine keeps running fine. This is on a pre crdi 2005 engine.

Peace brother.

[Luap]

Old news na yung low lubricity ng ulsd sa euro4. It was rectified a long time ago. Besides, may biodiesel blend pa yung local fuels to add to lubricity. Even jeepneys now use euro 4 fuels. Dont worry.

Sorry no offense meant. I really just dont see any point of concern in using the fuel. I know of a 200kms plus on odo on the euro4 fuel and engine keeps running fine. This is on a pre crdi 2005 engine.

Peace brother.

This is what i was thinking about, if there's a truth to the claim of some about the lubricity of ulsds, then pano na yung mga jeepneys at majority of the diesel fed engines plying our road? Masisira lahat? If that is the case then we may have found the solution to our traffic problem [emoji3]

[Djerms]

This is what i was thinking about, if there's a truth to the claim of some about the lubricity of ulsds, then pano na yung mga jeepneys at majority of the diesel fed engines plying our road? Masisira lahat? If that is the case then we may have found the solution to our traffic problem [emoji3]

Hehehe....oo nga on the other hand, good for us. :p

[Djerms]

Old news na yung low lubricity ng ulsd sa euro4. It was rectified a long time ago. Besides, may biodiesel blend pa yung local fuels to add to lubricity. Even jeepneys now use euro 4 fuels. Dont worry.

Sorry no offense meant. I really just dont see any point of concern in using the fuel. I know of a 200kms plus on odo on the euro4 fuel and engine keeps running fine. This is on a pre crdi 2005 engine.

Peace brother.

Typo...should be 200,000 kms plus

[weisshorn]

di po yan old news sir sa kin opinion dahil january this year lang ko na experience yan.yun mismo sa european company where i work they require additives to enhance the lubricity. mix ratio ay 1 ltr to 4 metric ton of ultra low sulphur diesel. ang use of ulsd ay mandatory sa emission controlled area last jan 1st 2015. supplied diesel ay may lab analysis pa yan bago gagamitin.
kung hindi magkaroon ng problem ang euro 4 diesel sa hindi euro4 compliant engine eh di very good, everybody happy. peace.

[StockEngine]

yung euro4 diesel kasi ay ulsd, sobra baba ng sulphur content. manipis at mdyo magaspang, very low ang lubricity. malakas ang tagas ng diesel oil in between ng plunger & barrel ng fuel pump lalo na pag mdyo mahaba na ang working hrs. malakas din ang tagas sa seal ng barrel. yan po experience ko sa big diesel engines. this is my personal experience po.
di ko sinabi na problema ang dpf sa euro 2 engine. yung sinabi ko ay walang pinapatamaan na comment yun, sa sarili ko yun. intended yun sa mga nagsasabi na mahal ang dpf filter pag masira.
gumagamit din ako ng euro 4 unioil diesel sa first gen tucson ko pero mix lagi ng euro2 para ma preserve ko ang lubricity ng diesel oil sa tanke.
yes po alam ko po na magka problema ng dpf filter pag ginamitan ng high sulphur diesel. alam ko rin po ang operation and maintenance ng diesel engine yan po trabaho ko for the past 38 years.

ano displacement ng "big diesel engines'' nabangit mo?

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yung euro4 diesel kasi ay ulsd, sobra baba ng sulphur content. manipis at mdyo magaspang, very low ang lubricity. malakas ang tagas ng diesel oil in between ng plunger & barrel ng fuel pump lalo na pag mdyo mahaba na ang working hrs. malakas din ang tagas sa seal ng barrel. yan po experience ko sa big diesel engines. this is my personal experience po.
di ko sinabi na problema ang dpf sa euro 2 engine. yung sinabi ko ay walang pinapatamaan na comment yun, sa sarili ko yun. intended yun sa mga nagsasabi na mahal ang dpf filter pag masira.
gumagamit din ako ng euro 4 unioil diesel sa first gen tucson ko pero mix lagi ng euro2 para ma preserve ko ang lubricity ng diesel oil sa tanke.
yes po alam ko po na magka problema ng dpf filter pag ginamitan ng high sulphur diesel. alam ko rin po ang operation and maintenance ng diesel engine yan po trabaho ko for the past 38 years.

ano displacement ng "big diesel engines'' nabangit mo?

[dct]

I dont know bakit pinoproblema dito ang euro 4 implementation. No problem yan mga parekoy. Sa ibang mga car owners sinasadya pa ang unioil para sa euro 4. Iba na lang problemahin nyo

[Djerms]

I dont know bakit pinoproblema dito ang euro 4 implementation. No problem yan mga parekoy. Sa ibang mga car owners sinasadya pa ang unioil para sa euro 4. Iba na lang problemahin nyo

Tumpak! Or sa mga napapraning sa euro 4, wag nalang muna kayo magsibili ng sasakyan hehehe.

[Djerms]

di po yan old news sir sa kin opinion dahil january this year lang ko na experience yan.yun mismo sa european company where i work they require additives to enhance the lubricity. mix ratio ay 1 ltr to 4 metric ton of ultra low sulphur diesel. ang use of ulsd ay mandatory sa emission controlled area last jan 1st 2015. supplied diesel ay may lab analysis pa yan bago gagamitin.
kung hindi magkaroon ng problem ang euro 4 diesel sa hindi euro4 compliant engine eh di very good, everybody happy. peace.

Well Im also saying based on personal and other people's experience, walang problema sa long time exclusive use ng euro4 on euro 2 engines. I've yet to see local users na nagkaroon ng problema...well bukod tanging ikaw lang pala sir as you said.

Hala paano na yan next year wala ka na makukunan ng euro 2 fuels?

[airborn65]

Tumpak! Or sa mga napapraning sa euro 4, wag nalang muna kayo magsibili ng sasakyan hehehe.

Based on current DENR Administrative Order No. 2015-04 (DAO-2015-04)EMB-AQMS > NEWS3

It seems that the issue now is not whether the old Euro II engines can take in Euro IV standard fuels but its the compliance to DAO 2015-04 that is worrying car manufacturers, existing car owners and prospective car buyers.

New DENR Euro 4 rule worries vehicle makers | Inquirer Business

Vehicle assemblers want to postpone Euro 4 compliance | Business, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

I guess you are right with your advice that prospective car buyers should postpone their purchase until next year or just stick to Euro IV compliant models to avoid future problems.