engine side mounting

[luloym]

my more than 3-year-old civic makes thudding sound during cold starts in the morning and according to honda, it's caused by the engine side mounting touching already the engine frame. estimated cost is 9,500.00 for a new engine side mounting and labor. do i have other options? thanks for your help, honda gurus, though i'm really disappointed that there's already need for a replacement considering the car is only 3 years old and the mileage is only 30,000.

[renzo_d10]

What ? I have a 3 year old civic yet it doesn't have such sound. Tahimik pa rin, despite it's 39,2xx mileage.

You might want to bring it to Honda SPA to have a second opinion.

[bong06]

my more than 3-year-old civic makes thudding sound during cold starts in the morning and according to honda, it's caused by the engine side mounting touching already the engine frame. estimated cost is 9,500.00 for a new engine side mounting and labor. do i have other options? thanks for your help, honda gurus, though i'm really disappointed that there's already need for a replacement considering the car is only 3 years old and the mileage is only 30,000.

same problem here, did you get it second hand?? if yes, tampered ang mileage niyan. baka hindi talaga sya low mileage, had mine fixed sa cavite, kay mel casaba, 6,500 iyung engine support original, iyung labor, 500php, very low...

[luloym]

bought it brand new kya disappointing nga at bumigay na. had it diagnosed at honda alabang. wers honda spa and mel casaba sa cavite? thanks again.

[ben_david19]

medyo disappointing nga for a car with a high resale value hehe. parang ang bilis naman nasira ang engine mount but anyway..

malamang yung rubber sa engine mount ang worn out or maluwag na. since isang set ang pagbili nito kaya ang mahal.

[ghosthunter]

bought it brand new kya disappointing nga at bumigay na. had it diagnosed at honda alabang. wers honda spa and mel casaba sa cavite? thanks again.

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[Emong3]

my more than 3-year-old civic makes thudding sound during cold starts in the morning and according to honda, it's caused by the engine side mounting touching already the engine frame. estimated cost is 9,500.00 for a new engine side mounting and labor. do i have other options? thanks for your help, honda gurus, though i'm really disappointed that there's already need for a replacement considering the car is only 3 years old and the mileage is only 30,000.

it is a known flaw ng FD ang defective design ng right side engine mount. It usually gets broken at around 25T -35T kms of normal city driving. So yung mga low milage na civic lugi kasi by the time na masira yan tapos na ang 3 yr warranty.

2007 pa lang naglabas na ng service bulletin ang honda to replace the defective side engine mount. A lot of FD's were affected but all of them were covered by warranty. Honda released a new engine mount with a different part number. However this new design still failed. The cost of the mount kung babayaran mo was 5.5k. So in April 2010 naglabas sila ng isa pang service bulletin to use another part number. The cost of this engine mount is 8.5k kung hindi ka na under warranty. Honda claims na mas matibay na ito keysa sa dalawang naunang design.

I have a 2006 1.8 and my milage is only 30T kms. Unfortunately for me hindi kaagad nasira ang orig mount ko during my warranty period at kahapon napansin ko nga ang vibrating sound na malakas kapag naka reverse tapos naka tapak sa brake (a/t). I checked the mount at basag na ang rubber part at tumapon na ang fluid sa loob.

As of now hindi pa sigurado kung ang new design released last april ay magiging matibay na. So nakakatakot gumastos ng 9k para palitan ang support na yan kung masisira din after 3 years. So I sourced this part and found out that HRC banawe has a replacement side engine mount para sa FD, both 2.0 and 1.8 and it only costs 1500 pesos. Other shops also has this JAC brand which sells for 1700 pesos.

The difference is that replacement mounts are solid. it does not have fluid inside kaya baka magkaroon ng engine vibration. Though ang claims ng mga nakapag kabit na ng replacement support eh minimal naman daw ang vibration. Check out sa www.teamfd.com.ph may discussion about engine support since 3 years ago.

Ako susubukan ko muna yung replacement. I think for the price difference it is worth trying.

BTW hindi basta basta ang pag palit ng engine mount ng FD. As per shop manual bago mo i-torque ang bolts sa side engine mount, luluwagan muna yung tranny mounts sa left side. May 3 bolts sa ibabaw and one bolt sa ilalim. You need to remove the air filter assy to access the tranny mount. Once naluwagan na ang tranny mount, tsaka mo pa lang pwede higpitan ang side engine mount. Then pag mahigpit na ang side engine mount bolts tsaka hihigpitan ang tranny mount.

[Emong3]

sorry double post...

[bong06]

bought it brand new kya disappointing nga at bumigay na. had it diagnosed at honda alabang. wers honda spa and mel casaba sa cavite? thanks again.

iyung pinalitan sa akin, upper right, ganyan din, ang ingay nya pag start and rev, basag talaga iyung loob ng support, para siyang may ballast sa loob eh, tapos may tubig.. e2 link ni mel casaba http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/vi...r+/+Specialist , along E.Aguinaldo sya, before Honda Cavite, hehehehehe, dun yata talaga sya nagshop para sagipin iyung mga tao from hi price repairs sa casa, sana maayos car mo bro, God Bless

[luloym]

thanks for the inputs! based on the replies, if i get the part in banawe and avail of the labor in cavite, the total cost will only be 2k instead of 9.5k in casa. so everything's okay now with your ride, bong06? you can vouch for mel casaba's workmanship?

[bong06]

yes boss, 300%!!!! pero with mine, original ang pinalit ko..its back to original

[Emong3]

This procedure was taken from the OEM shop manual. Being a DIY junkie and with an empty wallet, I decided to replace the side engine mount of my FD all by myself and I would like to share it with everyone...

TOOLS ANDMATERIALS NEEDED:
- Crocodile Jack
- block of wood
- 10, 14, 17, 19 mm socket wrench
- 10, 14, 17, 19 mm combination wrenches
- socket wrench extension 6" or longer (the longer the extension, the easier for the mechanic)
- Anti Sieze grease or any grease
- Torque wrench upto 76 ft-lbs

PARTS NEEDED:
Side engine mount part number 50820-SNB-J02 (replacement part, not OEM)


PROCEDURE:

1. Support the engine with a crocodile jack and wood block under the oil pan.

2. Remove the bolt (A) securing the A/C line, then remove the upper torque rod (B).


3. Remove the ground cable (A), then remove the side engine mount bracket (B).


The bracket (B) maybe hard to remove because the weight of the engine pushing it against the broken engine mount. You may need to jack up the engine by a few millimeters in order for the bracket to become loose. Once the bracket is removed you will see the engine mount torn!

Imagine that.. the engine is no longer attached to then mount! :o If you see a crack on the side engine mount replace it immediately!

4. Remove the side engine mount stiffener (A), then remove the side engine mount (B).

[Emong3]

Side engine mount removed




new replacement mount side by side with the OEM broken mount...


removed parts for reinstallation


5. Install the side engine mount, then install the side engine mount stiffener.

6. Install the side engine mount bracket (A), then loosely tighten the new bolt and nut (B), and loosely tighten the bolt (C).

[Emong3]

7. Install the ground cable (D).

8. Remove the air cleaner housing assembly.

9. Loosen the transmission mounting bolt and nuts (A).


10. Raise the hoist to full height if you have a lifter available. Kung wala higaan mo nalang sa ilalim para ma access ang tranny mount bolt.

11. Remove the engine undercover.

12. Loosen the lower torque rod mounting bolt (A).


13. Lower the vehicle on the hoist kung naka lifter

14. Tighten the side engine mount mounting bolts and nut.

15. Tighten the transmission mounting bolt and nuts.


16. Raise the hoist to full height kung may lifter, kung wala higaan ulit sa ilalim

17. Tighten the lower torque rod mounting bolt.


18. Install the engine undercover.

19. Lower the vehicle on the hoist.

20. Install the air cleaner housing assembly.

21. Install the upper torque rod (A), then tighten the new upper torque rod mounting bolts in the numbered sequence shown.

[Emong3]

22. Install the bolt (B) securing the A/C line.

Here's my new engine mount installed!






total cost = 1500 pesos. Part available at HRC banawe. ;)

[bong06]

22. Install the bolt (B) securing the A/C line.

Here's my new engine mount installed!






total cost = 1500 pesos. Part available at HRC banawe. ;)

DIY at your own risk, pwede rin naman...

[luloym]

Saludo ako sa DIY but I don't think I have the skills to risk it. How long does mel casaba finish installing the engine side mounting? Gusto ko sana same day makuha as it's for the daily use of my wife to and from her office. Kaya daw ng one day sa casa. Thanks!

[bong06]

Saludo ako sa DIY but I don't think I have the skills to risk it. How long does mel casaba finish installing the engine side mounting? Gusto ko sana same day makuha as it's for the daily use of my wife to and from her office. Kaya daw ng one day sa casa. Thanks!

ONE DAY???? sa casa??? ang tagal naman po , wala pa 1 hr iyung sa akin, hinintay lang dumating iyung parts kaya matagal ko konti sir. Kitang kita ko pa paano bila remove and install iyung engine support.

[Emong3]

kung ako first time ko ginawa yan, following the printed installation procedure sa manual step by step it took me 2 hours to complete the job.

Sa Honda SPA in 1 hour kaya tapusin.

[luloym]

Maraming, maraming salamat po, sirs emong and bong! Huling kulit na lang po... directions going to HRC Banawe (coming from welcome rotunda) and directions going to mel casaba (coming from de la salle dasmarinas). You both have really been a big, big help! Maraming, maraming salamat po ulit.