Who has never bribed a cop? Is that a necessary evil?

[slamtaz]

If we expect cops to be clean...can we say the same about ourselves? truly...I write this thinking of the guy beeping from behind me as i wait for the light to turn green in the middle of the night.

medyo ot but pretty much the same as when you're travelling at max speed limit and there's this car behind you honking or flashing his lights...

I've only had two violations in my decades of driving. that's equal to 2 tickets also..

[nugundam93]

not me. i'd rather get a ticket (kung mali ako) or fight it (kung tama ako).

[midinite]

Interesting. What do you think makes the people there more disciplined than in Philippines?

Having lived in Yangon for 5 years ( amore primitive country compared to here but they seem more obedient to the rules. Even stick to their lanes and follow lights) has led me to believe that somehow we have started to violate the laws more and more and that has led to a spiralling down of discipline.

Read a book called the Tipping Point. The broken window/glass theory has it that (and paraphrase the loosely) in neighborhoods na may building na may broken glass there seemed to be a upsurge in crime rates. This was in NYC ata. Even unrinating in public was seen to have a corelate to rise in crime. Simple theory. If we see one person get away with something (even a petty crime) bigger crimes start to happen. Maybe people thinking kung nakaisa yung isa ba t di ako. Even things like jaywalking, littering etc contribute to it. Kahit graffiti.

So when one cop gets bribed this affects the entire system so to speak.

In Yangon, there was an innate respect for the other individual. Part of their Buddhist thing of no real repentance. But you pay if you do something bad...regardless. So don't do bad period. Wala ng confess confess like other beliefs. Something like that

[mbeige]

I'm based in the US pero nandito ako sa Manila for a few months. Back there people follow the rules because they will get caught and the fine is much more expensive. Plus, may record na sa lisensiya mo, your insurance will increase for 3 years, and you still have to attend traffic school para mabura sa record mo kung papayag sila.

I will never bribe a cop, here in Manila in my opinion, it's not worth it. Ikaw na nga yung aabusuhin, ikaw pa yung mag aabot ng lagay para lang makalusot.

I was stopped sa Cubao going to Aurora, sa taas ng underpass (where lots of jeeps and busses pass). Reason was I beat the red light daw, pero yellow pa lang naman. I said if he cannot give me proof that I beat the red light, I will not surrender my license. He did not hint of any bribe, which was good, at least. He insisted that I beat the light, it's a chicken and egg story. I decided to just leave him pero his assistant stopped me, starting the argument again but he could not get anything out of me. So he took the license plate down, and I left. I doubt he'll do anything about it.

Truth was, other vehicles were right beside me when we went past when it was still a yellow light. Tapos magulo pa kung saan mag stop dapat. He was wearing the yellow uniform, whatever that means.

Is it a necessary evil? No.
Does it feed fuel to the fire of corruption? Yes.

No solution to this, I've realized it's anybody's call when it comes to the law here in Manila. Be on the lookout, maraming nagtatagong MMDA kung san san.

Make sure you know what your violation is first. Assert yourself if you know you're right, then ask for proof that you violated something. When I asked for proof to that MMDA officer, he could not say anything but just repeated, "Sir akin na lisensiya niyo". May work for you too.

[midinite]

Make sure you know what your violation is first. Assert yourself if you know you're right, then ask for proof that you violated something. When I asked for proof to that MMDA officer, he could not say anything but just repeated, "Sir akin na lisensiya niyo". May work for you too.

Got a question. I have only lived in the U.S. as a kid and been there on holidays. Would you, out of curiousity also question an American Law Enforcement Officer? Just wondering.

Or are you more vehement with Filipino Law Enforcement Officers?

No double standard? I have seen it on occassion with returnees who lambast the people in the country of origin. Not just here, but in other countries of underdeveloped stature with locals who have emigrated to the developed world. Be it Asian, African or even Latin America ( I grew up there)

Just an honest question. Not meant to attack anyone in particular.

Anyone?

[jasprit]

ask ko lng po magkano ang fee pag swerving. I can only say one thing madaming bobong mga pulis(trafic enforcers) hinuli tatay ko swerving daw 3 lane road nasagitna sya at sa 3rd line may kumat at kumaliwa pa imagine tatay ko pa ang swerving hindi yng cumat ay ayun pinag mumura ng tatay ko yng pulis kng hindi lng kasama tito ko ewan ko kng ano ng yari walang masabi yng pulis eh.
MAGKANO PO ULIT FEE PAG SWERVING?

[Driv3er]

I actually decided to stop bribign them dahil nga na realiaze ko na lalolong lumalala sila pag ganun. One time sa may Nagtahan, hinuli ako mga 6 am for running a red light. 2 cops dressed in grey (anong klaseng cop yun! di pnp, di mapsa, di mmda!) aboard a motorbike pulled me over (baleh hinabol pa nila ako) so I pulled over.

Sabi nung isa "Pano yan, reckless driving ginawa mo eh..red light yun"

I reply with "Oo nga, pano na yan?"

he goes "Mahirap yan, magseseminar ka pa, sa sta. mesa mo pa kukunin lisensya mo"

I reply "Hindi ba dapat bayaran ko na lang sa bangko yugn fine? Kaka anounce lang ni Bayani Fernando ha"

Sabi ba naman niya "Hindi, kelangan kasi muna namin UBUSIN NG MGA LUMANG TICKETA bago gamitin yung mga pwedeng bayaran sa bangko"

Medyo napa tameme ako dyan, bullsheot na kasi hirit niya eh. Sabi ko na lang "O sige ticketan mo na lang ako"

To which he replies "O sige, wag na lang" Sabay sinensyas ako na umalis na.

WTF diba! HEhe anyway napa tigil ako sa stop light uli and katabi ko yung 2 mokong na naka motor na iyo. You know what they do? THey run through the red light and both of them have NO HELMET on.

Cops here are mostly just a bunch of morons. Kaya wala respeto sa kanila ang mga tao.

Sa US naman talagang rerespetuhin mo mga pulis..why? Because they treat you properly kahit ikaw ang may ginawang mali. 5 Years ago, my tito was arrested for domestic violence...the cops spoke to him like he was customer and they were waiters! Bilib talaga ako sa pulis ng USA. Oh, and bihira ka makakakita ng pulis sa Tate na kumpolkumpol sa ilalim ng puno/flyover/waiting shed na naghihintay na huhuliin na motorist. Most of the cops I see are on patrol providing assistance to the citizens.

[FrankDrebin]

For me, depende pa rin. Usually tinatakbuhan ko na most especially yung huli-dap/bantay sa redlight lalo na sa A. Bonifacio, Taft cor Quirino, ect., dahil kotong lang habol nyan. Madalas naman sa may Quiapo area kapag tinopak yung Manila's Finest(Croc) na illegal parking, it would be beneficial in my part to give in to their demands simple because istorbo lang at pahihirapan ka lang ng mga kolokoy na pulis kapag tinubos mo na yung license mo at baka walain pa.


OT: Hi sir midinite! Musta na? Available pa?

[swordsman]

I did bribe an enforcer a couple of times when i was new to driving. I was ignorant then and easily intimidated with threats of what i have to go through in claiming back my license. What with the hassles and lost time at work, something which i couldn't afford to go through at that time.
Never knew tsikot.com existed that time, and no Metrobank payment available.

Today, would i bribe a cop? My default answer would be NO. But i won't say i will NEVER EVER again. For me, case to case basis decision. Is the officer from MMDA, MAPSA or other local traffic enforcer? Am i truly at fault or was it just a huli-dap? Am i in Metro Manila, far away provinces, or abroad? Can i afford to go thru all the hoops in claiming my license?

In the last few years, i have not bribed a cop. Last time i was flagged down, i reasoned it out that i was right, and no violation was commited. He let me go without a bribe/ticket.

Is that a necessary evil? Sometimes.

[Mamar]

ask ko lng po magkano ang fee pag swerving. I can only say one thing madaming bobong mga pulis(trafic enforcers) hinuli tatay ko swerving daw 3 lane road nasagitna sya at sa 3rd line may kumat at kumaliwa pa imagine tatay ko pa ang swerving hindi yng cumat ay ayun pinag mumura ng tatay ko yng pulis kng hindi lng kasama tito ko ewan ko kng ano ng yari walang masabi yng pulis eh.
MAGKANO PO ULIT FEE PAG SWERVING?

p500 multa sa swerving

[midinite]

OT: Hi sir midinite! Musta na? Available pa?

Available pa. Hinihintay ka daw. Ano call?

[baludoy]

i did it only once. that was way back when i was still new to driving

[oldblue]

I bribe traffic enforcers most of the time. I weigh the cost. is it cheaper for me to claim the license legally or just give the enforcer a fraction of that cost? plus, before you part with your money, you make sure to befriend the enforcer and get his name.

pag may time ka e-mail mo pangalan nya sa mga authorities involved. kung wala time, then charge to experience.

on my part, lesson learned. I broke a traffic law. I lost money and I must learn my lesson para hindi na maulit.

yun lang. make our lives simple. mahirap pasanin ang mundo

[Bogeyman]

I lost money and I must learn my lesson para hindi na maulit.

I bribe traffic enforcers most of the time.

Sorry ha, can't help this, pero I'm just a little confused: if there was a lesson to be learned for every instance you were apprehended, bakit nauulit pa rin yung lagay?

[Driv3er]

short term memory loss ala 50 first dates? :D

[OTEP]

Kung hulidap (like wat FD) has said, tinatakbuhan ko na lang.

Nakotongan na ko once, ayoko na maulit.

[oldblue]

Sorry ha, can't help this, pero I'm just a little confused: if there was a lesson to be learned for every instance you were apprehended, bakit nauulit pa rin yung lagay?

simple lang tinatanggap ko mali ginawa ko kaya ako nahuhuli. hindi naman ibig sabihin mali nagawa ko eh guaranteed na hindi na mauulit.

parang confession lang yan. nag-confess ka ngaun sa pari for imagining impure thoughts. will this means 5 years after your next confession, eh hindi na kasama impure thoughts sa confession mo

[redorange]

Sa US naman talagang rerespetuhin mo mga pulis..why? Because they treat you properly kahit ikaw ang may ginawang mali. 5 Years ago, my tito was arrested for domestic violence...the cops spoke to him like he was customer and they were waiters! Bilib talaga ako sa pulis ng USA. Oh, and bihira ka makakakita ng pulis sa Tate na kumpolkumpol sa ilalim ng puno/flyover/waiting shed na naghihintay na huhuliin na motorist. Most of the cops I see are on patrol providing assistance to the citizens.

That's what happens when you have a lack of training for police officers in the Philippines. Here in the US from the academy we are thought the importance of Integrity and Service in our job as officers, and every year we take review course in professionalism and how to deal with the public. Of course there are still bad apples but they usually get fired not promoted.

[Fast Eddie]

guilty ako dito. dalawang taon na nakaraan sa sn fernando pampanga.
nasa intersection ako noon nakahinto. tapos meron pulis na nag tatraffic sa gitna ng intersection noon. hinihintay go cyang bigyan ako ng go signal para
lumiko. medyo naiinip na ako noon dahil sa tagal ng traffic. medyo umabante ako ng konti siguro isang metro lang kung saan ako naka stop. pinaka unahan ako sa linya ng traffic noon. maya-maya sinignalan nya ako sa kamay nya, na
square sign. so alam ko na ano ibig sabihin noon; lisensya. maya maya lumapit
sa akin: 'sabi nya bakit pinapahinto kita tapos umaabante ka?' ticket ka dyan
sabi nya'. tapos sabi ko:'sir, baka naman pwedeng pagusapan na lang to medyo nagmamadali lang po. so, si kolokoy gustong, gusto naman siguro.
pumapalakpak ang tenga, dahil medyo naka ngiti. tapos sabi ko na lang:'sir medyo dikit na lang kayo dito sa side ko para di halata. okay, dikit si kolokoy
sabay pasok ko ung pera sa bulsa nya. tapos, sabi ko: 'salamat sir magandang
umaga na lang sa inyo'. babay! so binilisan ko lang medyo lumayo. maya,maya
pinapansin ko cya sa side mirror ko. kita ko, sinipat nya bulsa nya, medyo,
bumubulong-bulong. sabi siguro: 'put*ng ina mo'!, hindi nya alam binigyan ko
lang sya ng sampung piso. sabi siguro: 'sana binigyan man ako, kahit siento beite lang, bwisit na yon'!. sabi siguro: 'buwisit ka, kahit pang almusa wala pa'!. sabi ko na lang: 'abuloy ko na lang yan sa burol mo'. sorry!, naglagay ako.

[papao]

ako never pa nagbribe..bahala sila manigas gatasan ako ng pera..di ako magbibigay..

ng nakabunggo ako kasi bglang nagfullstop un kotse sa harap ko sa slex, nung andun na sa offce nila, ayaw ako paalisin dahil titicketan daw nya ako ng reckless driving, tapos nagpaparinig na mag seseminar pa ako and malaki daw babayaran ko saka mahahassle pa ako.. sabi ko ticketan nya na lang ako ako na bahala dun, mga 4x-6x kami paulit ulit ng ganun..siguro nahalata niya na di talaga ako magbibigay sakanya, di na lang ako tinicketan kasi sya pa daw mahihirapan.. un rin un first time na triny ako ticketan ng pulis..nakakaasar nga, kesa tulungan ka lalo ka pa gigipitin