Who has never bribed a cop? Is that a necessary evil?

[midinite]

Pretty self explanatory guys. What is the state of the nation in as much as this is concerned.

Should one contribute to corruption or not? The answer may seem simple but is it really that simple? Can anyone come up cleanly and conversely say they have never ran a red light? Isn't violation of traffic rules kind of like corruption in reverse?

If we expect cops to be clean...can we say the same about ourselves? truly...I write this thinking of the guy beeping from behind me as i wait for the light to turn green in the middle of the night.

What say you?

[mazdamazda]

I have NEVER bribed a traffic officer or cop who apprehended me for a traffic violation.

Following basic traffic rules and not bribing traffic officers are an indication of how "corrupt" Filipinos are.

[midinite]

forgot to add...if you knowingly committed a violation and ran from a whistling cop doing his job...is that a crime as well? is it a cycle?

[midinite]

I have NEVER bribed a traffic officer or cop who apprehended me for a traffic violation.

Following basic traffic rules and not bribing traffic officers are an indication of how "corrupt" Filipinos are.

Commendable. Do we not see violations flagrantly happening on a day to day basis? what can ordinary citizens do aside from stepping down and telling their violating countrymen off? So as "corrupt" as drivers claim cops to be aren't violating drivers "corrupt" as well.

[paulp]

I have never bribed a cop so I make sure I follow the rules. Yaan na natin mga PUVs. Pag pinansin mo sila, sasakit lang loob mo.

forgot to add...if you knowingly committed a violation and ran from a whistling cop doing his job...is that a crime as well? is it a cycle?

Although unrelated, I made a swerving mistake (entering balintawak cloverleaf from nlex from outer lane). You know, I admitted to my fault :sorry: at "pinatawad" ako ng MMDA traffic dude. Pinaalis na lang niya ako.

[midinite]

Although unrelated, I made a swerving mistake (entering balintawak cloverleaf from nlex from outer lane). You know, I admitted to my fault :sorry: at "pinatawad" ako ng MMDA traffic dude. Pinaalis na lang niya ako.

Did you not volunteer to be ticketed and pay the fine to show you were sincere you made a mistake? Just a question. no offense meant.

[Driv3er]

the last time I bribed a cop was 3 years ago. MMDA pa hehe. Eh sa Malabon yun, hassle naman kung dun ko pa pick up lisensya ko, so I said "baka sir pwede ikaw na lang magdala ng bayad ko sa LTO"..payag naman siya hehe...he didnt, in any way, force or try to make me give him a bribe...parang takot pa nga tanggapin yung "bayad" ko eh.

After that I changed my ways and my last 2 infractions have been dealt with legally. YUng isa nag 1 way ako hihihi the cops did their usual "paano yan may seminar ka, hassle pa yan, blahlbalh" when I said that he just give me a ticket "ticketan niyo na lang po ako"..he called for backup! 3 more MAPSA guys on motorbikes arrived then tried to hassle me into settling under the table. tsktsk. I ended up getting a ticket after around 10 mins.

Yung isa naman, nag red yung ilaw nung nasa gitna akong intersection, pero hinuli pa rin ako ng MAPSA...hinabol actually. I didnt know any better so I gave the f***er my license, when I contested his claim, he insisted na red na yung ilaw nung tumawid ako. Haay. MAPSA nga naman oooo.

[midinite]

the last time I bribed a cop was 3 years ago. MMDA pa hehe. Eh sa Malabon yun, hassle naman kung dun ko pa pick up lisensya ko, so I said "baka sir pwede ikaw na lang magdala ng bayad ko sa LTO"..payag naman siya hehe...he didnt, in any way, force or try to make me give him a bribe...parang takot pa nga tanggapin yung "bayad" ko eh.

After that I changed my ways and my last 2 infractions have been dealt with legally. YUng isa nag 1 way ako hihihi the cops did their usual "paano yan may seminar ka, hassle pa yan, blahlbalh" when I said that he just give me a ticket "ticketan niyo na lang po ako"..he called for backup! 3 more MAPSA guys on motorbikes arrived then tried to hassle me into settling under the table. tsktsk. I ended up getting a ticket after around 10 mins.

Yung isa naman, nag red yung ilaw nung nasa gitna akong intersection, pero hinuli pa rin ako ng MAPSA...hinabol actually. I didnt know any better so I gave the f***er my license, when I contested his claim, he insisted na red na yung ilaw nung tumawid ako. Haay. MAPSA nga naman oooo.

Regarding MAPSA...yes, they are inconsistent and sneaky in my experience. I was ticketed once for a "no turn on red" sign at Sedeno in Salcedo Village when I arrived here and requested for a ticket since it was my error for not seeing the sign. Later i found out when I read the sign that I was not in violation since there are times and days when the sign is in effect. It was a Sunday I committed said "violation". but that was the day allowed pala. Another was similar with not a red light but getting caught mid intersection on a yellow. MAPSA appear to be on a quota and hang out in certain areas where they can "milk" car drivers. They seem to profile to as I have seen them let certain type of cars violate. IMHO, does this go to the Binay fund?
The Boys in Yellow are a bane and a pain.

Does MMDA accept fine payment through banks now? That is what I heard.

[midinite]

am just learning the new power bases here in the traffic pecking order as I have just arrived after 10 years out. Getting used to rules here. Even Indochina was way, way more disciplined than here.

[paulp]

Did you not volunteer to be ticketed and pay the fine to show you were sincere you made a mistake? Just a question. no offense meant.

On contrary, I told him it was my mistake and asked NOT to be issued a ticket. Suprisingly, he didn't and he sent me off.
Now Im very concious when going through the same road.
I think the first thing that comes to mind when being issued by a ticket is the hassle of paying the fine and claiming your license. Sayang yung plano to pay over the counter sa Metrobank last year. That is a good deterrent against giving out bribes to cops.

[cutedoc]

saludo ako sa inyo who havent bribe a police officer=)

its is "we" who makes the enforcer think bad and accept bribe, we somehow are the reason why they do such thing, kung walang magoofer alng tatanggapin...

sorry

[e2fee]

am just learning the new power bases here in the traffic pecking order as I have just arrived after 10 years out. Getting used to rules here. Even Indochina was way, way more disciplined than here.

Interesting. What do you think makes the people there more disciplined than in Philippines?

[B2Bomber]

...bribed a cop: never
...necessary evil: no

[e2fee]

Sayang yung plano to pay over the counter sa Metrobank last year. That is a good deterrent against giving out bribes to cops.

What do you mean? I just paid a P150 ticket at a Metrobank branch a few weeks ago:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29130

Do you mean that Metrobank took my payment even though they were no longer authorized to collect on behalf of MMDA, and that now, as far as MMDA is concerned, I have an outstanding, unpaid ticket?

[Horsepower]

I have never. I've never been flagged down for violation.

[Bogeyman]

On the few occasions that I have been apprehended, I have always decided against bribery. You never know when you'll come across an honest cookie who'll only make things worse for you by slapping a bribery charge. And no, it will never be a necessary evil, IMO.

I've found that reason works better; either that, or I let my wife talk to the poor fellow so convincingly, he'll think twice about flagging me down again. :D

[Sarsi]

whenever traffic enforcers flagged me dow for a violation, i politely asked what violation i have committed, and if i know that it is valid, i told them to issue receipt so i can go, then enforcers told me that it's complicated and there is always a long line when you get your license in LTO, what the heck, sabi ko sa kanila, PROBLEMA KO NA YON, then maglabas ng tiket kunwari susulat, tapos tanungin ka kung sigurado ka na magpapatiket na lang, hehehe, STYLE NILA BULOK. Sarap nila sagasaan

[totoybato]

ako never pa nag bribe sa police. Madalang akong masita, siguro wala pang mga ten times mula nang ako ay matutong magmaneho . Sa Baclaran, madalas akong abutin ng coding diyan, pero nangangatwiran ako, na kaya ako inaabot ng 7 am ay dahil na din sa trapik diyan sa may harap ng baclaran church na hindi nila maayos (that was before Chairman BF's time), nakakalusot naman yung katwiran kasi malapit lang naman talaga office ko sa baclaran. Nung minsan, nung mahuli kami dahil sa counterflow dito sa may southmall, nagpahiwatig yung mmda ng lagay, pero di ko binigyan, nagpa tiket na lang ako, ang sama ng mukha ni kolokoy kasi wala nang nagbigay dun sa mga kasama kong nahul, mga 6 yata kami. Talagang ogags yung mga traffic enforcer kasi ilang ballpen ang nakalagay sa shirt pocket nila kaya di mo mabasa ang mga nameplate.

[Satio]

Sorry to say, but I did it once.(City cop)
Kapag city cops kse sa city hall kukunin at matagal ang proceso dun. Hindi katulad sa MMDA sa banko babayaran.

[redorange]

I have NEVER bribed a traffic officer or cop who apprehended me for a traffic violation.

Following basic traffic rules and not bribing traffic officers are an indication of how "corrupt" Filipinos are.

Being a law enforcement officer and coming from a family of cops both in the US and the Philippines, I applaud you and the other members that have never bribed a cop in the Philippines. My uncle was killed in Zamboanga trying to arrest one of his subordinate officer for being a corrupt cop. It's unfortunate that the rest of the PNP hasn't quite caught up to the concept of doing the job that tax payers pay them to do.

Giving bribes just encourages the corrupt cops to be more brazen in their actions. If we want the Philippines to be a better country the change must begin with it's citizens. To the people that STILL give bribes, don't complain about the corruption in the country because you are part of the cycle that encourages corruption.