Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[sparton]

wow galing neto. eye-opener din. mali talaga na sadyang harangin ng daan. ako naman napapa iling ako tuwing masikip sa side then may dadaan na motor. sabay 'whew' pag lumagpas na ang motor. then after 5 seconds may dadaan na naman!

Ahem .... ang daming mga car owners dito na MATAPOBRE at ano tingin niyo sa sarili niyo, you have more rights on the road just because you think you are financially above another person because you are driving a car/cage and the other is driving a two wheel? Don't be too sure, since I am anonymous here, I'll give myself as an example, do you really think you are financially better than those motorbikers? Take me for example, there are a lot of bikers doing better than me, I already earn almost a 100K in salary alone, my wife also earns somewhere near that, plus we have a business in the province, we own two house and lots, and lots of real property in the province, but on the road you will more likely see me riding my 220cc tour bike or even on a Motorstar 110cc UB (underbone) or even a SYM or RUSI tricycle than riding our car and van. So, you think motorbikers have less rights on the road because you think you are richer than them? Baka mamaya, yung biker na inaapi mo, masmarami pa taxes contributed sa construction ng road na pinagmamadamot mo sa kanila.

1) The roads are made from the tax payers money. Question: Are you a tax payer? Are they tax payers?
2) The roads are made for vehicles. Question: Are you driving a vehicle? Are they driving a vehicle?

Excuse me, some of us car/cage owners (like me, we have more than one) still prefer riding motorbikes (again we have more than one from an underbone to workhorse standard bikes to tour bike type, even tricycles believe it or not). Why?

1) Traffic Jams. Motorbikes can filter through traffic way better than any vehicle, that is not a bad thing, and should not be hated by us car drivers, it's an innate capability of all vehicles, yes ALL VEHICLES. We car drivers are also doing 'filtering' unknowingly, just by switching lanes, overtaking, getting in between two vehicles to squeeze through. It's just that the motorbikes can do this a lot more efficiently, a lot more effectively, and a lot more frequently. Though its a lot more risky for the rider than a car/cage driver.

2) Mileage. Motorbikes consume less. Less petrol, less tire rubber, less engine oil, less brake fluids, has less mechanical maintenance cost.

3) Love. Some of us are motorbike enthusiasts. Riding on two wheels can be exhilirating, and a breath of fresh air.



Andyan pa yung nabasa ko nampipina ng rider ... alam mo na palang may intention to overtake ang isang motor at kasya naman siya sabay sasaraduhan mo ng sadya ang daan? Ang tawag dun ay BASTOS sir. Ginagawa din yun ng kotse ah, yung sisingit at o-overtake, nasa timing lang yan at nasa tamang acceleration plus tamang space computation. Pagmali, sasabit, mabibitin kahit kotse ka pa o motor. Pero kung yung motor e kaya naman bakit mo sasadyaing harangan? Maling attitude yun, gawin kaya sa iyo yan ng kapwa mo kotse o bus o truck? This kind of attitude is dangerous, that antic could have caused the rider to panic and crash, what an idiotic thing to do. Just let them pass, you don't lose anything when you do that, because in the end, you are still stuck behind another cage/car.

And let me explain another thing I read here, someone wondering about the habit of riders to come together in an accident. This is not a plain 'kampihan' thing. This is rider to rider helping hand attitude, one thing in motorbiking culture that car drivers do not usually have. Motorbikers usually will help each other and even car drivers, it is a mindset in the biker culture. Let me explain further, other motorbikers will stop to block the vehicles involved in the accident because one thing we learned is, cagers/car drivers will run away from an accident leaving the poor rider on the ground. That is why one of you experienced the box-out event and then the rider let other cars pass once the vehicles involved are stopped. It is not about who was wrong or right on an accident, it's about getting the parties resolve a problem. Do not quickly assume that the car/cage was in the right when an accident happens between a motorbike and a car/cage even if the motorbike hit the back of the cage/car. For all we know the cage/car could have cut through and suddenly stopped without warning. That is another thing we learned, car/cage drivers care less about motorcycles, they do not bother looking at the side mirrors, rear mirrors to check if they are going to hit a motorbike, they care less because they are sitting-pretty inside their caged vehicles.

Let me also explain another phenomenon with motorbikes trying to be at the front on a stop light:

1) If motorbikers are behind a cage/car, they are inhaling your fumes. Question: are your cages/cars not puffing black smoke?

2) If motorbikers are pinned surrounded by cages/cars, the heat from your car/cage engines and even exhaust pipes radiates around your vehicle, hence, the biker absorbs all these. Remember bikers do not have air conditioning.

3) In intersections, some vehicles at the back fail to stop and hit motorbikes infront, so we usually use another car/cage as a shield against those vehicles from further back that may fail to stop and turn us into sandwich spreads. Having no vehicle up front also enables as to have more reaction choices for any problems that may arise from behind.

4) Motorbikes usually accelerate faster than cage/cars, and being in between them will only add us as traffic obstacles for all of you. We will only be hit by unruly jeeps and buses that suddenly turn left or right on a go signal. If motorbikes are upfront, they clear the traffic faster, leaving less number of vehicles battling during a 'go' signal.

I do see alot of riders are also stupid and reckless, but that does not give you the right to:
1) Generalize
2) Ridicule the group
3) Maltreat the group while on the road

ADIOS.

[sirkosero]

2 newbies. 1st post mainit agad. this is gonna be interesting.

[leodawesome]

Ahem .... ang daming mga car owners dito na MATAPOBRE at ano tingin niyo sa sarili niyo, you have more rights on the road just because you think you are financially above another person because you are driving a car/cage and the other is driving a two wheel? Don't be too sure, since I am anonymous here, I'll give myself as an example, do you really think you are financially better than those motorbikers? Take me for example, there are a lot of bikers doing better than me, I already earn almost a 100K in salary alone, my wife also earns somewhere near that, plus we have a business in the province, we own two house and lots, and lots of real property in the province, but on the road you will more likely see me riding my 220cc tour bike or even on a Motorstar 110cc UB (underbone) or even a SYM or RUSI tricycle than riding our car and van. So, you think motorbikers have less rights on the road because you think you are richer than them? Baka mamaya, yung biker na inaapi mo, masmarami pa taxes contributed sa construction ng road na pinagmamadamot mo sa kanila.

1) The roads are made from the tax payers money. Question: Are you a tax payer? Are they tax payers?
2) The roads are made for vehicles. Question: Are you driving a vehicle? Are they driving a vehicle?

Excuse me, some of us car/cage owners (like me, we have more than one) still prefer riding motorbikes (again we have more than one from an underbone to workhorse standard bikes to tour bike type, even tricycles believe it or not). Why?

1) Traffic Jams. Motorbikes can filter through traffic way better than any vehicle, that is not a bad thing, and should not be hated by us car drivers, it's an innate capability of all vehicles, yes ALL VEHICLES. We car drivers are also doing 'filtering' unknowingly, just by switching lanes, overtaking, getting in between two vehicles to squeeze through. It's just that the motorbikes can do this a lot more efficiently, a lot more effectively, and a lot more frequently. Though its a lot more risky for the rider than a car/cage driver.

2) Mileage. Motorbikes consume less. Less petrol, less tire rubber, less engine oil, less brake fluids, has less mechanical maintenance cost.

3) Love. Some of us are motorbike enthusiasts. Riding on two wheels can be exhilirating, and a breath of fresh air.



Andyan pa yung nabasa ko nampipina ng rider ... alam mo na palang may intention to overtake ang isang motor at kasya naman siya sabay sasaraduhan mo ng sadya ang daan? Ang tawag dun ay BASTOS sir. Ginagawa din yun ng kotse ah, yung sisingit at o-overtake, nasa timing lang yan at nasa tamang acceleration plus tamang space computation. Pagmali, sasabit, mabibitin kahit kotse ka pa o motor. Pero kung yung motor e kaya naman bakit mo sasadyaing harangan? Maling attitude yun, gawin kaya sa iyo yan ng kapwa mo kotse o bus o truck? This kind of attitude is dangerous, that antic could have caused the rider to panic and crash, what an idiotic thing to do. Just let them pass, you don't lose anything when you do that, because in the end, you are still stuck behind another cage/car.

And let me explain another thing I read here, someone wondering about the habit of riders to come together in an accident. This is not a plain 'kampihan' thing. This is rider to rider helping hand attitude, one thing in motorbiking culture that car drivers do not usually have. Motorbikers usually will help each other and even car drivers, it is a mindset in the biker culture. Let me explain further, other motorbikers will stop to block the vehicles involved in the accident because one thing we learned is, cagers/car drivers will run away from an accident leaving the poor rider on the ground. That is why one of you experienced the box-out event and then the rider let other cars pass once the vehicles involved are stopped. It is not about who was wrong or right on an accident, it's about getting the parties resolve a problem. Do not quickly assume that the car/cage was in the right when an accident happens between a motorbike and a car/cage even if the motorbike hit the back of the cage/car. For all we know the cage/car could have cut through and suddenly stopped without warning. That is another thing we learned, car/cage drivers care less about motorcycles, they do not bother looking at the side mirrors, rear mirrors to check if they are going to hit a motorbike, they care less because they are sitting-pretty inside their caged vehicles.

Let me also explain another phenomenon with motorbikes trying to be at the front on a stop light:

1) If motorbikers are behind a cage/car, they are inhaling your fumes. Question: are your cages/cars not puffing black smoke?

2) If motorbikers are pinned surrounded by cages/cars, the heat from your car/cage engines and even exhaust pipes radiates around your vehicle, hence, the biker absorbs all these. Remember bikers do not have air conditioning.

3) In intersections, some vehicles at the back fail to stop and hit motorbikes infront, so we usually use another car/cage as a shield against those vehicles from further back that may fail to stop and turn us into sandwich spreads. Having no vehicle up front also enables as to have more reaction choices for any problems that may arise from behind.

4) Motorbikes usually accelerate faster than cage/cars, and being in between them will only add us as traffic obstacles for all of you. We will only be hit by unruly jeeps and buses that suddenly turn left or right on a go signal. If motorbikes are upfront, they clear the traffic faster, leaving less number of vehicles battling during a 'go' signal.

I do see alot of riders are also stupid and reckless, but that does not give you the right to:
1) Generalize
2) Ridicule the group
3) Maltreat the group while on the road

ADIOS.

Wow, this is long.....and irrelevant. :p

There are two kinds of two wheel rider sir, the good and the bad. Of your'e a good rider, KUDOS to you! But kindly understand that in this thread, we are talking about those bad ones, which majority of them are.

Peace and God bless. :D

[SerialMaus]

Wow, this is long.....and irrelevant. :p

There are two kinds of two wheel rider sir, the good and the bad. Of your'e a good rider, KUDOS to you! But kindly understand that in this thread, we are talking about those bad ones, which majority of them are.

Peace and God bless. :D

Oh really? Read how others have posted here. And you are right, there are bad ones and good ones both on cage/cars and even motorbikes. So why the unintelligent generalizing and bashing, and even ridiculing, and even belittling? Read other posts by other peeps here on this thread. Tsk tsk, sometimes I wonder if this so called car dirvers socialite types really had an education.

[SerialMaus]

wow galing neto. eye-opener din. mali talaga na sadyang harangin ng daan. ako naman napapa iling ako tuwing masikip sa side then may dadaan na motor. sabay 'whew' pag lumagpas na ang motor. then after 5 seconds may dadaan na naman!

I know your concern, kasi nasabitan na rin car ko before. Pero bottom line is, nasa skill ng rider yan if magaling tumantya ng space, kung t*ng*, sasabit nga. And minsan it's about POV (Point of View), minsan kasi akala ko halos dikit na yung singit, pero nung sinukat ko, maluwag nga pala, remember, we are seated in our cars, usually low profile and on left side, our POV of the right,rear,and front of our car is skewed, mukhang kulang sa space pero maluwag pala yung nilusutan dun if you are actually there on that spot. Pero on our left side, ibang usapan yan, kitang kita natin yan eh :D

[automot0]

kotse, SUV, van, jeep o motor kahit bisikleta ay may pasaway talaga, wala po iyan sa uri ng sasakyan na ginagamit nasa pag uugali po ng tao yan.

kung nakita niyo na may pasaway na rider wag niyo na gipitin sa kalsada kasi lalabas na parehas lang kayo na naging pasaway. mahirap niyan nagipit si rider at sumabit sa sasakyan niyo tapos namatay si rider kahit wala kayo kasalanan mapipilitan pa kayo sagutin yung gastos nun alam niyo naman ang batas natin kahit na sila mali basta natepok may pananagutan ka pa din. ingat na lang sa pag drive mga tsikoteers sa halip na maghanap ng mga pasaway na rider sa kalsada itutok na lang ang atensyon sa pagmamaneho para iwas disgrasya.

[Snake1]

I know your concern, kasi nasabitan na rin car ko before. Pero bottom line is, nasa skill ng rider yan if magaling tumantya ng space, kung t*ng*, sasabit nga. And minsan it's about POV (Point of View), minsan kasi akala ko halos dikit na yung singit, pero nung sinukat ko, maluwag nga pala, remember, we are seated in our cars, usually low profile and on left side, our POV of the right,rear,and front of our car is skewed, mukhang kulang sa space pero maluwag pala yung nilusutan dun if you are actually there on that spot. Pero on our left side, ibang usapan yan, kitang kita natin yan eh :D

I'm not exactly anonymous so allow to allow me to establish where I'm coming from....

I've been riding bikes for over 15 years from 50cc to 1000cc. I enjoy riding and the "brotherhood" that comes with it. I have been involved in the motorcycle industry where my goal has been to promote the safe use of motorcycle for business or pleasure. And I also am a car owner ....

But,,,!

Your post seems to take the cudgels for what uyou believe is unfair treatment of motorcycle riders. As a rider, if you demand equal treatment on the road.... you should also give equal treatment to your ride.

Not because a bike is capable of things a car is not.. e.g. filtering, making singit on the right etc does not make it the right thing to do. Yes.. the rider may be good in estimating the space as passable.. but you already affirmed that for car drivers this may not be evident and may not be able to react properly. Why put yourself in a position of a possible accident?

Case in point.. just an hour ago as I was turning right from Samat to Shaw in Mandaluyong..(for those who know this corner..it is a point where cars are merging.. so one looks at the left to slowly merge).. a couple on a motorcycle squeezed thru on my left.... and nakalusot naman.. on my part..I kinda expect that being a rider myself.. but waht about car drivers who are not bikers?

In regards to your post about being boxed in and absorbing the heat from cars around you... well thats part of the pachage when you adopt a biker lifestyle.. you cant have your cake and eat it too.... and a ventilated riding jacket works too.....

Haba na ng post ko....

In summary respect on the road is earned not demanded... you would be blind not to realize that 90% (and I'm being generous..) of riders on the road do not display the right road courtesy or driving style. So statments on this thread are for them.....

I monitor this thread everyday... I'm a rider... I dont get offended..because I know im not one of them.. if you are not.. you shouldnt be offended too....

[leodawesome]

I'm not exactly anonymous so allow to allow me to establish where I'm coming from....

I've been riding bikes for over 15 years from 50cc to 1000cc. I enjoy riding and the "brotherhood" that comes with it. I have been involved in the motorcycle industry where my goal has been to promote the safe use of motorcycle for business or pleasure. And I also am a car owner ....

But,,,!

Your post seems to take the cudgels for what uyou believe is unfair treatment of motorcycle riders. As a rider, if you demand equal treatment on the road.... you should also give equal treatment to your ride.

Not because a bike is capable of things a car is not.. e.g. filtering, making singit on the right etc does not make it the right thing to do. Yes.. the rider may be good in estimating the space as passable.. but you already affirmed that for car drivers this may not be evident and may not be able to react properly. Why put yourself in a position of a possible accident?

Case in point.. just an hour ago as I was turning right from Samat to Shaw in Mandaluyong..(for those who know this corner..it is a point where cars are merging.. so one looks at the left to slowly merge).. a couple on a motorcycle squeezed thru on my left.... and nakalusot naman.. on my part..I kinda expect that being a rider myself.. but waht about car drivers who are not bikers?

In regards to your post about being boxed in and absorbing the heat from cars around you... well thats part of the pachage when you adopt a biker lifestyle.. you cant have your cake and eat it too.... and a ventilated riding jacket works too.....

Haba na ng post ko....

In summary respect on the road is earned not demanded... you would be blind not to realize that 90% (and I'm being generous..) of riders on the road do not display the right road courtesy or driving style. So statments on this thread are for them.....

I monitor this thread everyday... I'm a rider... I dont get offended..because I know im not one of them.. if you are not.. you shouldnt be offended too....

Agree on this. Most motorcycle riders demand that they should be treated fairly in the roads like 4 wheels. But 80-90% of them don't act like what they want other motorists to treat them. 2 most evident actions are:

1. Squeezing in between and on the sides of cars, AFAIK, this SHOULD be a violation. (please correct me if im wrong)
2. Acting like they are just pedestrians. (crossing in the pedestrian lanes while stoplight is at red, or occupying sidewalks, etc)

Other than those 2, all other annoying things that 2 wheel drivers do like cutting your lane, counterflowing, etc., are norms of all types of vehicles including 4 wheel drivers too, so i learned to accept them.

Im also a rider myself, and I practice what I preach. The bitter part of it was that it makes me more mad seeing reckless 2 wheel riders doing what Im trying not to do, as if its just normal and OK....Well, in our culture now, sadly, it is normal and OK.

[falken]

Agree on this. Most motorcycle riders demand that they should be treated fairly in the roads like 4 wheels. But 80-90% of them don't act like what they want other motorists to treat them. 2 most evident actions are:

1. Squeezing in between and on the sides of cars, AFAIK, this SHOULD be a violation. (please correct me if im wrong)
2. Acting like they are just pedestrians. (crossing in the pedestrian lanes while stoplight is at red, or occupying sidewalks, etc)

Other than those 2, all other annoying things that 2 wheel drivers do like cutting your lane, counterflowing, etc., are norms of all types of vehicles including 4 wheel drivers too, so i learned to accept them.

Im also a rider myself, and I practice what I preach. The bitter part of it was that it makes me more mad seeing reckless 2 wheel riders doing what Im trying not to do, as if its just normal and OK....Well, in our culture now, sadly, it is normal and OK.

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No. 1 on your list is called lane splitting, it is a violation which sadly is not enforced nowadays because traffic enforcers themselves don't know a lot about the traffic laws they were tasked to enforce.

[Vstargazer]

What you dont know wont hurt you.

Bakit di ito subukan ng mga motorcycle haters.

1. Ilista niyo mga reklamo niyo sa mga Riders
2. Mag maneho kayo ng motor
3. Huwag niyong gagawin lahat ng nasa list niyo
4. Goodluck

btw isa sa mga natutunan ko sa buhay "huwag mang huhusga lalo na kung hindi ko naman talaga naiintindihan at alam ang buong pangyayari"