SKYWAY Accident

[BratPAQ]

Besides, using your reasoning. Let's also put railings Sa mga sidewalk, since these reckless drivers would plow through pedestrian pag dun sila bumangga.

[Juan Martinez]

Ramones283, i commend your passion in depending your position. That's admirable. But, do not mistake the trees for the forest. look at the big picture. the root cause of the problem here is not because the railings are too short, but because traffic laws do not have enough pangs to be an effective deterrent aggravated by poor or lackadaisical implementation. you mentioned the city of davao in one of your ramblings. things like that seldom, if not impossible, to happen in davao because motorists there cannot drive their vehicles more than 40kph. in other words, you said it yourself the obvious-- that stricter implementation of laws is the panacea for these ills. what about in subic? you failed to mentioned it. motorists in subic, I am sure you already know this, conscientiously follow traffic rules. and what all these things tell you? people can be disciplined; we can be disciplined. never turn a blind eye to the inherent goodness of every human being.
of course, i am not discounting the soundness of your argument to raise the height of these barriers. yes, as what one tsikoteer said here it can mitigate the risks but it can never altogether wipe out the risks if the real cause is still there. it is not one size that fits all. but raising the barriers only provide a "band aid" solution to the problem. it is like taking a cough syrup when you already need an antibiotic. the antibiotic here is the crafting of a law that effectively deters a reckless driver from harming motorists and pedestrians and its dogged implementation. now, you will retort, but how can we be so sure that, with stricter traffic laws and stricter implementation, we can prevent a reckless driver from killing innocent pedestrians? let me tell you Ramones, we have freedom. and freedom, according to Mabini, is to do right and never wrong. despite of laws, despite of its strict enforcement, a driver still drives recklessly that results mangled bodies, then, he is not free, he is a slave of his own passion or stupidity, when we throw him to prison we send him there for his unwillingness to use freedom. and please do not label this freak incident an "accident" because under our law, "accident" is an exempting circumstance. if a car falls from a skyway and landed on a pedestrian down below, what is applicable is the principle that "he who is the cause of the cause is the cause of the evil caused," and not because the railings or barriers are too damn short. *Without meaning to demean, but only to remind that it pays to keep an open mind, Elbert Hubbard said it best--
The recipe for perpetual ignorance is:
Be satisfied with your opinions
and content with your knowledge.

[kimot]

May hangganan ang safety, same as the budget. Di pwedeng lahat na lang ilagay mo sa safety you have to find the balance between safety and budget. Walang iniwan yan kung bakit walang parachute ang mga commercial airliners for each passenger, budget.

sorry OT pero gusto ko lang sagutin.

kelangan mo ng training sir bago mo magamit yung parachute ng maayos, kung wala kang proper training parang tumalon ka lang rin sa eroplano LOL. goodluck rin sa pagtalon sa 30,000 feet, baka paglabas mo ng eroplano mawalan ka kagad ng malay bukod sa sobrang nipis ng oxygen level sa ganyang altitude sobrang lamig rin. isama mo pa yung bilis ng plane, kawawa naman yung mga tatama sa turbine at wings.

kung mababa naman yung lipad ng plane, baka di naman magdeploy yung parachute, useless rin.

so parang bibili lang yung mga airline companies ng dagdag gastos na wala naman silbi.

re: topic

yung railings ba ng skyway kaya pigilan yung 100kph na sasakyan? (sedan, suv van, etc)

[jick.cejoco]

sorry OT pero gusto ko lang sagutin.

kelangan mo ng training sir bago mo magamit yung parachute ng maayos, kung wala kang proper training parang tumalon ka lang rin sa eroplano LOL. goodluck rin sa pagtalon sa 30,000 feet, baka paglabas mo ng eroplano mawalan ka kagad ng malay bukod sa sobrang nipis ng oxygen level sa ganyang altitude sobrang lamig rin. isama mo pa yung bilis ng plane, kawawa naman yung mga tatama sa turbine at wings.

kung mababa naman yung lipad ng plane, baka di naman magdeploy yung parachute, useless rin.

so parang bibili lang yung mga airline companies ng dagdag gastos na wala naman silbi.

re: topic

yung railings ba ng skyway kaya pigilan yung 100kph na sasakyan? (sedan, suv van, etc)

Dat is rayt

It is easier to train people to read and comprehend English and to follow the laws and rules. Some people are just defiant and think they are privileged or exempt

[BratPAQ]

sorry OT pero gusto ko lang sagutin.

kelangan mo ng training sir bago mo magamit yung parachute ng maayos, kung wala kang proper training parang tumalon ka lang rin sa eroplano LOL. goodluck rin sa pagtalon sa 30,000 feet, baka paglabas mo ng eroplano mawalan ka kagad ng malay bukod sa sobrang nipis ng oxygen level sa ganyang altitude sobrang lamig rin. isama mo pa yung bilis ng plane, kawawa naman yung mga tatama sa turbine at wings.

kung mababa naman yung lipad ng plane, baka di naman magdeploy yung parachute, useless rin.

so parang bibili lang yung mga airline companies ng dagdag gastos na wala naman silbi.

re: topic

yung railings ba ng skyway kaya pigilan yung 100kph na sasakyan? (sedan, suv van, etc)

Kailangan pa ng training eh di additional cost yun. For safety nga ang argument di ba? Do you go to all that hassle for safety? You have to cut it somewhere.

[drawdee]

For me dapat talaga may strict implementation ng rules and regulations sa pag gamit ng expressway. Ito yung pinaka-effective na way para maiwasan yung mga accidents sa road and tamang disiplina ng mga drivers. Both scenarios naman may pros and cons. If let say na tataasan ng managment ng skyway yung railing sa side para maiwasan na may mahulog na sasakyan kung magkaroon ng accident, ang problema naman dito ay possible namang may madamay na other motorists using the skyway during the accident. Both scenarios naman may possible na maapektuhang innocent people. Kaya dapat strict implementation ng laws and proper discipline of drivers when using the road.

[glenn_duke]

re: topic

yung railings ba ng skyway kaya pigilan yung 100kph na sasakyan? (sedan, suv van, etc)

Comparing the SKY barrier sa rating ng similar type of barrier. Commonly ang ganyang design na may taas na 1.15 meters from base ay rated lang to stop a 1,500 kg vehicle at a speed of 80 kph.
So kung 100 kph at heavy SUV perpendicular impact sa barrier ay hindi kayang pigilan ng barrier. Kaya yung Don Mariano at mismong service coaster ng SKY ay hindi napigilang malaglag.
Ang protection level ng ganyang barrier ay 2.6 sa scale ng 1-10.
May point ang Topgear.ph to question the appropriateness ng barrier sa highway tulad ng SKY.

Sa point naman na malaking cost ang involve to improve the barrier para lang sa kapakanan ng iilang pasaway na drivers, consider naman the faith of the Don Mariano Bus passengers that died in the crash. Kung heavy duty yung barrier, baka na save pa yung mga walang kasalanang passengers.

[glenn_duke]

For me dapat talaga may strict implementation ng rules and regulations sa pag gamit ng expressway. Ito yung pinaka-effective na way para maiwasan yung mga accidents sa road and tamang disiplina ng mga drivers. Both scenarios naman may pros and cons. If let say na tataasan ng managment ng skyway yung railing sa side para maiwasan na may mahulog na sasakyan kung magkaroon ng accident, ang problema naman dito ay possible namang may madamay na other motorists using the skyway during the accident. Both scenarios naman may possible na maapektuhang innocent people. Kaya dapat strict implementation ng laws and proper discipline of drivers when using the road.

May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

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For me dapat talaga may strict implementation ng rules and regulations sa pag gamit ng expressway. Ito yung pinaka-effective na way para maiwasan yung mga accidents sa road and tamang disiplina ng mga drivers. Both scenarios naman may pros and cons. If let say na tataasan ng managment ng skyway yung railing sa side para maiwasan na may mahulog na sasakyan kung magkaroon ng accident, ang problema naman dito ay possible namang may madamay na other motorists using the skyway during the accident. Both scenarios naman may possible na maapektuhang innocent people. Kaya dapat strict implementation ng laws and proper discipline of drivers when using the road.

May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

[box_type]

disiplina lang po, yan lang ang tanging solusyon na nakikita kong pinaka epektib...

[ramones283]

Tama naman na disiplina at strict implementation of law ang makaka solve dito sa gantong incidente pero hindi lang dun magtatapos yun. Paano yung nasa tamang speed at nawalan ng kontrol at nagdirediretso sa outer lane bumagsak sa tulay, would you still consider him as a reckless driver kahit unintentional ang aksidente?

Wag tayong maging kampante sa kadahilanan na may disiplina ako at strict na ang skyway management so safe na ako sa mga nahuhulog na sasakyan sa skyway. Sinabi ko naman sa una palang na dapat ding mag improve na ang sidewall railings ng skyway para maiwasan na ang risk ng falling vehicles. After the accident e, sinisi agad yung driver hindi man lang naisip nung skyway mngt kung bakit dumadalas ang ganung incidente at nahuhulog sa tulay nila.

Bottom line is may tendency parin na mahulog ang anumang matataas na sasakyan dun kahit lahat ng driver na nagmamaneho sa skyway ay sumusunod sa speed limit. Nangyari na e, so posibleng maulit parin yung ganyang aksidente.

[ramones283]

Besides, using your reasoning. Let's also put railings Sa mga sidewalk, since these reckless drivers would plow through pedestrian pag dun sila bumangga.

You know sir, your reasoning is still out of place. Yung reason ko is for skyway falling vehicles para ma reduce ang risk ng mga nahuhulog na sasakyan. Now if you want, gawa ka ng thread about Reckless drivers hitting pedestrian in the sidewalk then usap tayo dun para malinaw. It's a different story. Ok?

[ramones283]

Kailangan pa ng training eh di additional cost yun. For safety nga ang argument di ba? Do you go to all that hassle for safety? You have to cut it somewhere.

This so called BratPAQ is the who needs training. Hey dude, wala ng libre ngayon. Kung kailangan mag bayad for safety issues, then why not? Gusto mo libre? Then create your own city.

[drawdee]

May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

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May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

I agree. Ang mahirap kasi dito since private company ang nag-o-operate ng skyway mas priority nila ang income. Kaya ang laging reasoning nila eh sumusunod naman sila sa international standard ng road safety kasi nga ayaw nila maglabas ng money para ma-improve ang safety ng skyway. Di ko lang alam kung may power ang government natin para i-regulate sila.

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May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

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May point ka, but you have to consider na kung nasa SKY ka at nakita mo yung accident sa front mo, mas advantage ang position mo to react and avoid , compare mo yan sa mga motorist na nasa baba ng SKY na sa harap nakatingin at hindi sa taas. Paano sila makaka react on time if the hazard is coming from the top and not in the front or sides.

I agree. Ang mahirap kasi dito since private company ang nag-o-operate ng skyway mas priority nila ang income. Kaya ang laging reasoning nila eh sumusunod naman sila sa international standard ng road safety kasi nga ayaw nila maglabas ng money para ma-improve ang safety ng skyway. Di ko lang alam kung may power ang government natin para i-regulate sila.

[shadow]

Aayusin na daw in Ramon Ang starting from the new skyway extension then eventually doon sa luma the will remove the ramp and increase height of railings...case close na

[Bin Diesel]

Buti pa si Ramon Ang nakakaintindi. Ramon Ang for President!

[ramones283]

San Miguel Corp. firm to improve Skyway safety amid series of accidents | Kicker Daily News

End of chapter. Next?

[kimot]

Kailangan pa ng training eh di additional cost yun. For safety nga ang argument di ba? Do you go to all that hassle for safety? You have to cut it somewhere.

re: parachutes on commercial planes

pano naman magagamit yung parachute kung di mo alam kung pano gamitin yun? sir FYI di ka lang basta tatalon sa eroplano kung gusto mo magsky diving. provide training for passengers? san nila gagawin? during the flight? before the flight? useless ang isang bagay sir kung di mo alam kung pano gamitin yun.

re: safety

part po sir ng training ang safety . pano ka ba sir nakakuha ng driver's license? di ba nag-aral ka magdrive? training po yun

re: topic

IMO, dapat strict ang pag implement ng rules, susunod na lang dyan ang disiplina . tignan nyo mga pinoy, karamihan kapag nasa ibang bansa matitino LOL.

btw. anong international standard pala ang pinagsasabi nila? wala bang audit na nangyayari para icheck kung up to standards pa rin ba talaga yung skyway?

wag nyo sabihin na gastos yang audit. LOL

[BratPAQ]

This so called BratPAQ is the who needs training. Hey dude, wala ng libre ngayon. Kung kailangan mag bayad for safety issues, then why not? Gusto mo libre? Then create your own city.

Yeah, spewing out insult will definitely help your argument. Can't handle a civilized conversation?

[baludoy]

a toyota fortuner almost flew off the railing of the skyway yesterday

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...und?ref=latest

i wonder if there was a mechanical glitch w/c caused this mishap

[confused shoes]

a toyota fortuner almost flew off the railing of the skyway yesterday

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/motor...und?ref=latest

i wonder if there was a mechanical glitch w/c caused this mishap

Kung hindi pinansin ng ABS, ibig sabihin driver error yun.