F****** Doctor

[Flagg]

Doc, next visit mo, ask mo si Doctora ER if she is related to a certain Selena de Venecia... Tapos magsumbong ka kay V. Sarne...

[jazcker]

sir just don't stoop down. and don't argue with a fool...you will never win after all! heheh

[mikeye]

sir otep...palagay ko napagalitan ng consultant yan... kaya mainit ang dugo nya...anyways, anu pa nga ba ang pwedeng gawin mo ... isipin mo na lang buntis sya.

[wiretap_md]

boydapa:

If you happen to be in the PGH area, do give me a call or text (0917-3001415). I'd be more than willing to show you around the "real" PGH...both infrastructure and manpower-wise.

[GlennSter]

wag na patulan si boydapa...laging pinapadapa ng nanay niya yan noon kaya ganyan=p

doc...pustahan tayo...may gusto lang sayo yun. napaka macho mo kasi. kahit mata lang ang kita sayo dahil naka face mask ka...talagang kikiligin ang mga bbae sayo. eh natapat ka sa buntis...shempre disappointed yun kasi may asawa na siya =)

i lab you doc.

[smooth]

1st, i'm from pgh and i am so darn proud of this hospital. 2nd, i don't know the ER officer you were referring to. but i'd like to answer your points.

1. We were both doctors. Granting I was in my more 'casual' clothes that time (I was just wearing my scrubs, white pants, and running shoes because the white coat and formal stuff do not really work well in my working environment), she has no right to look down on and lambast me as if I'm their hospital janitor. She talks to me like I'm a medical clerk or junior intern. I know I look kinda young for my age pero ano ba ipinagmamalaki niya? I don't even talk to the clerks or interns the way she did. How would she feel if she decided to visit UST or Makati Med at ako naman ang mamahiya sa kanya?

if you looked around, you'd notice that we couldn't care less what you're wearing. anyone who's been through the UP system would know that what you wear doesn't affect us. the wards are hot and humid so our top priority is comfortable clothes. we walk all over the place, so dress shoes are the first to go. now, how exactly was she talking to you like you were a medical clerk? maybe you couldn't defend your patient's case well to her. the ER officer is responsible for accepting your patient, so you'd better be ready to endorse your patient to her properly. PGH services patients from all over the country. not just manila but luzon, visayas and mindanao. her responsibilities are far greater than you can imagine. and that is easier said than done. you have got to experience it to know what it feels like on a visceral level.

can you really throw your weight around in makati med? can you try that in MMC's OR? frankly speaking, "ano ba ang ipinagmamalaki mo"? what exactly are your accomplishments enough for you na mamahiya sa makati med? or is that "position of power" because of dear ol' mom and pop?

2. I was not passing a patient on to her. I just needed a place to get oxygen. How hard was that to understand?

because if your intubated patient codes in the ER, it becomes her responsibility. and if she doesn't completely understand your patient's case, she wouldn't be able to perform the proper care of your patient. and if she can't perform the proper care, then yari siya. its your responsibility to endorse the patient properly in her ER. you getting oxygen from her ER is tantamount to passing a patient onto her.

you don't have enough oxygen in your ambulance? then that's your hindsight. sumasabak ka sa giyera na kulang ang bala. your ambulance is your jurisdiction. her ER is hers. how would you feel if we stuff the patients from the ER into your ambulance and tell you to bring them to their respective domiciles (all the way to bicol and cagayan de oro) without the proper endorsement? better yet, code black ang nursery ngayon. gamitin kaya namin ang hiace grandia niyo para i-transfer ang mga buntis na dumadating sa OB. kelangan na talaga nila ma-transfer e. how hard is that to understand?

you're in a hurry because you have another emergency? ilan ba ang emergency teams niyo? dapat quality over quantity. kung sa pagmamadali mo na makapunta sa next emergency at hindi mo na-endorse nang maigi ang unang pasyente mo (and something happens to the patient that you endorsed), don't you think that you're shortchanging your first patient?

3. Mahigit sampung taon siya nag-aral ng medicine pero basura pa din ugali niya. Ano yun, hindi pinalaki ng maayos ng magulang? Saka mahiya naman siya sa magiging anak niya. Sino ba rito ang may gusto ng nanay na basura ang ugali?

sampung taon ba ang medicine? 4 years proper. 1 year internship. 3 years residency (emergency med). that's just 8. pinalaki ka ba ng maayos ng magulang mo? bakit mo linalambast ang tao dito sa forum kung saan hindi ka naman niya kayang sagutin? oh yeah, i get it, you're just venting. but get this: your venting isn't fair to her.

4. I and my medical team were not in violation of any of their institution's policies, bakit niya kami gusto ipahiya? Naiinggit ba siya sa Hiace Grandia Advanced Life Support unit namin? hehehe. May IVECO ambulance naman sila. Ewan ko lang kung may fuel.

do you know pgh's policies well enough to know that you are not in violation of any of them? you think its perfectly okay to bypass the ER officer (and not endorse the patient properly) because you need oxygen? bakit ang konti ng oxygen ng ambulance ninyo? again, if your patient codes in her ER, its her responsibility, which is why she is adamant that you endorse your patient properly. lalo na kung may media. kapag ipinasok mo ang pasyente mo (dahil kelangan mo ng oxygen) at biglang nag-code ang pasyente at may media dun, ang yayariin ay ang ER officer. all patients in that ER are her responsibility.

may fuel ang ambulance namin. full tank. laging handa. kayo? may oxygen ba ang mga tangke niyo?

gaano ba ka-high tech ang hiace grandia advance life support niyo para kaingitan namin?

5. If it's 'HER' ER, eh isaksak na niya sa baga niya yung ER niya. Hindi porke't class C-D-E ang market niya ay dapat ugaling kanto na siya. I extend the same level of care to all my patients irregardless if they are some donya living in Forbes Park or an indigent patient needing to be transferred due to financial constraints. True, I'm not exactly the best doctor in the country but at least I care enough. If she doesn't like her job, umuwi na lang siya at gumawa pa ng maraming anak..

hindi ba ugaling kanto ang ipinaiiral mo dito sa pag-lambast sa kanya? worse, hindi siya maka-reply sa iyo dito (i wonder if she even knows about this). do you find this fair? you're as guilty of the same crime you accuse her of.

and you bet she loves her job. our residents fork out a huge sum from their own salary for the sake of the C-D-E "market" we service. ever drove 8 hours out of town (after a gruelling 36 hour duty) just to secure blood for a patient you do not even know? ever gave up lunch money so that you can pay for the ventilator that your indigent patient desperately needs?

you handle indigent patients in your ambulance? please PM me your number. ang dami naming pasyenteng kailangan ma-transfer and wala silang pambayad ng ambulance conduction. tatanggapin mo? put your money where your mouth is. if you truly handle indigent patients na kelangan ma-transfer and wala silang pambayad ng ambulance conduction, gagawin mo? mga ka-tsikot, i'm putting a dare to dear doctor otep that he transfer pgh's indigent patients for free.

[oldblue]

PGH ba yan kamo?

eh malamang taga u.p. yan graduate. pcensya ka na doc ksi sa iskwelehan-ng-mga-poor-na-trying-hard-yumaman-at-gagawin-lahat-para-yumaman-kahit-magnakaw -at-mangagrabyado-sa-kapwa which is u.p. ang training puro I.Q. lang at hindi kasama ang E.Q. development lalo na sa mga matataaas ang pinag aralan. lalo na yun mga produktong doctors, lawyers, professors. kaya yun doctorate ang level dyan na grumadwayte ang mga katangian nyan is a impatient, judgemental, at mapang mata ng kapwa etc. yan ang mga E.Q. core values na nadevelop sa kanilang pagkuha ng phd.



pag pasensyahan mo nlng.

parang nabasa ko na'to sa isa pang forum

[oldblue]

1st, i'm from pgh and i am so darn proud of this hospital. 2nd, i don't know the ER officer you were referring to. but i'd like to answer your points.



if you looked around, you'd notice that we couldn't care less what you're wearing. anyone who's been through the UP system would know that what you wear doesn't affect us. the wards are hot and humid so our top priority is comfortable clothes. we walk all over the place, so dress shoes are the first to go. now, how exactly was she talking to you like you were a medical clerk? maybe you couldn't defend your patient's case well to her. the ER officer is responsible for accepting your patient, so you'd better be ready to endorse your patient to her properly. PGH services patients from all over the country. not just manila but luzon, visayas and mindanao. her responsibilities are far greater than you can imagine. and that is easier said than done. you have got to experience it to know what it feels like on a visceral level.

can you really throw your weight around in makati med? can you try that in MMC's OR? frankly speaking, "ano ba ang ipinagmamalaki mo"? what exactly are your accomplishments enough for you na mamahiya sa makati med? or is that "position of power" because of dear ol' mom and pop?



because if your intubated patient codes in the ER, it becomes her responsibility. and if she doesn't completely understand your patient's case, she wouldn't be able to perform the proper care of your patient. and if she can't perform the proper care, then yari siya. its your responsibility to endorse the patient properly in her ER. you getting oxygen from her ER is tantamount to passing a patient onto her.

you don't have enough oxygen in your ambulance? then that's your hindsight. sumasabak ka sa giyera na kulang ang bala. your ambulance is your jurisdiction. her ER is hers. how would you feel if we stuff the patients from the ER into your ambulance and tell you to bring them to their respective domiciles (all the way to bicol and cagayan de oro) without the proper endorsement? better yet, code black ang nursery ngayon. gamitin kaya namin ang hiace grandia niyo para i-transfer ang mga buntis na dumadating sa OB. kelangan na talaga nila ma-transfer e. how hard is that to understand?

you're in a hurry because you have another emergency? ilan ba ang emergency teams niyo? dapat quality over quantity. kung sa pagmamadali mo na makapunta sa next emergency at hindi mo na-endorse nang maigi ang unang pasyente mo (and something happens to the patient that you endorsed), don't you think that you're shortchanging your first patient?



sampung taon ba ang medicine? 4 years proper. 1 year internship. 3 years residency (emergency med). that's just 8. pinalaki ka ba ng maayos ng magulang mo? bakit mo linalambast ang tao dito sa forum kung saan hindi ka naman niya kayang sagutin? oh yeah, i get it, you're just venting. but get this: your venting isn't fair to her.



do you know pgh's policies well enough to know that you are not in violation of any of them? you think its perfectly okay to bypass the ER officer (and not endorse the patient properly) because you need oxygen? bakit ang konti ng oxygen ng ambulance ninyo? again, if your patient codes in her ER, its her responsibility, which is why she is adamant that you endorse your patient properly. lalo na kung may media. kapag ipinasok mo ang pasyente mo (dahil kelangan mo ng oxygen) at biglang nag-code ang pasyente at may media dun, ang yayariin ay ang ER officer. all patients in that ER are her responsibility.

may fuel ang ambulance namin. full tank. laging handa. kayo? may oxygen ba ang mga tangke niyo?

gaano ba ka-high tech ang hiace grandia advance life support niyo para kaingitan namin?

siguro isipin na lang kapakanan ng pasyente na lang, kung kulang ng oxygen bigyan muna tapos discussion. hindi discussion of what's right & wrong muna tapos bigay oxygen.

d'ba dapat mga ospital patient welfare first, then debate on hospital rules & regulation 2nd.

[kinyo]

If I remember the Professional's Oath correctly, it say's " ... to act professional at all times ..." or words to that effect. No ifs, no buts.

Even without an oath, basic ethics dictates proper decorum, more so from a professional whom society places higher respect because he/she is expected to have learned enough to obseve it (after all those years of getting an "education").

[Galactus]

We're only humans, you can't expect each and every doctor to stay true to those words ALL the time. Face it, everybody's going to have bad days and vent out their anger in a not-so professional manner. And education has nothing to do with it.

After smooth's reply, I think this thread is good for another 5 pages...

[wiretap_md]

worse, hindi siya maka-reply sa iyo dito (i wonder if she even knows about this).

In maintaining tsikot's policy of being a fair venue for exchange of information for both sides, I made sure that the concerned party is aware of what has transpired, including the existence of this thread.

[kriscube6]

Woah!

The words are a little too strong peeps...

[sherwintommy]

In maintaining tsikot's policy of being a fair venue for exchange of information for both sides, I made sure that the concerned party is aware of what has transpired, including the existence of this thread.

Perhaps doc wiretap you can share with us the some information from the Lady Doctor's side ????.....at least we can have both side of the story.........is that possible to share in this thread.....or classified>???

[wiretap_md]

Perhaps doc wiretap you can share with us the some information from the Lady Doctor's side ????.....at least we can have both side of the story.........is that possible to share in this thread.....or classified>???

This is exactly what I plan if ever she wants to air her side. She knows naman how to get in touch with me.

[sherwintommy]

This is exactly what I plan if ever she wants to air her side. She knows naman how to get in touch with me.

thanks doc,.,,hope it would materialize,,.....

[Lucius]

***y ba yung arrogant na doctora na yan? Hehehehe baka kulang lang sa.... :naughty2:

[archangel_1911]

Yeah i believe that she deserves a fair trial, not trial by publicity. We need to see the two sides of the coin. But i hope that this problem could be settled in the most decent manner. Anyway they are in the same field. Goodluck to both party.

[ogpro]

1st, i'm from pgh and i am so darn proud of this hospital. 2nd, i don't know the ER officer you were referring to. but i'd like to answer your points.....

Smooth, as much as your responses made sense of things, and showed that common courtesy is a two way street, I believe that it still didn't address why the lady doc had to be that rude and "unprofessional". I think that was what otep was ranting about, that there WAS A BETTER WAY to deal with such an incident; one that gives the respect due to a colleague. IF Otep was wrong, she could have taken the high road and just educated him about PGH's ER rules. Maybe it's just me but I just feel there are few excuses for a lack of respect, courtesy, and decency, esp. among professionals.

[SIZE=1]I've always felt that that the volume of one's voice is inversely proportional to the validity of the argument...[/SIZE]

Then again...she could just have been having one MAJORLY bad day.

[v22]

must've caught her in a foul mood, ganyan din misis ko nung buntis.. hormones ek ek kawawa naman tayong mga nasa receiving end :D

[OTEP]

First off, the post is just a vent. Take note, I made no mention of anyone's names (except probably of wiretap_md). Didn't even bother to get the name of the doctor because I just wanted to vent.

maybe you couldn't defend your patient's case well to her.

It's just smear-negative TB. It's not hard to defend. It's not hard to endorse. And as with all patients we conduct [except house/scene calls], we do call ahead before we conduct. However, it was not her that was the receiving MD [the MROD put in a different name] and when I nicely asked her where I can locate the said MD she said she didn't know such doctor and she started her litany on me. And to think I even greeted her a good day. If I had a hat, I'd probably tip it, too.

can you really throw your weight around in makati med? can you try that in MMC's OR? frankly speaking, "ano ba ang ipinagmamalaki mo"?

No. That's why the question was 'What if?' if you read the previous post. Wala ako pinagmamalaki. I'm so quiet most of the time that the team I roll with jokingly asks me if I need to use the toilet. Huwag na daw ako mahiya.

sampung taon ba ang medicine? 4 years proper. 1 year internship. 3 years residency (emergency med). that's just 8. pinalaki ka ba ng maayos ng magulang mo?

Sorry, I counted pre-med and residency. Yes, pinalaki naman ako ng maayos. That's why I didn't have a shouting match with her and still calmly explained my side despite her not-so-professional behavior. Again I did not mention any names.

because if your intubated patient codes in the ER, it becomes her responsibility. and if she doesn't completely understand your patient's case, she wouldn't be able to perform the proper care of your patient. and if she can't perform the proper care, then yari siya. its your responsibility to endorse the patient properly in her ER.

I did try to explain the case, but she was to busy getting riled up. If the triage officer had simply said that it would not be possible to roll in the patient, we could've just gotten her back in the bus again and hooked to a main tank.

do you know pgh's policies well enough to know that you are not in violation of any of them?

No. That's why we asked the admissions office if there were indeed violations in the transfer. If they don't know the hospital policies well enough, too. I'm sorry, I do not want to disturb PGH's legal counsel over this.

you think its perfectly okay to bypass the ER officer (and not endorse the patient properly) because you need oxygen?

No. Of course not. That's why we asked the triage officer if it was ok. Ok being would you allow us in. I already gave her a run over of the case, it's SOP already when at any hospital we visit. How would I know there was a higher being at play? The triage officer did not say anything and she was the one sitting at a counter greeting everyone that came in.

bakit ang konti ng oxygen ng ambulance ninyo?

Aero12 has five O2 tanks on board. Two main tanks that supply the piped-in O2 and three portable tanks. We use the main tanks for road travel along with a Pneupak (it's crude but it works). The main tanks were filled. The portable supply was a bit low because the unit was used to respond to a code by the previous team. We need to keep at least one portable tank full in case the unit will be used to respond to another code. The request for full tanks was already made, it's just a matter of waiting for the supply rig to drop by with the tanks as well as other consumables requested from the head office.

hindi ba ugaling kanto ang ipinaiiral mo dito sa pag-lambast sa kanya?

We put license plates and names of establishments here. Everything from XRT695 to NTV777 (who eventually got the boot from medschool). Toyota steals my stuff, some guy rips a Php200.00 bill in front of me, etc. I did not even bother to mention names anymore.

may fuel ang ambulance namin. full tank. laging handa. kayo? may oxygen ba ang mga tangke niyo?

I just failed to put Mr. Green on the end. It's just supposed to be for humour. This is, after all, Tsikot.com and some motoring content is required. The IVECO's are a good alternative to the uber expensive Ford E series (around Php7M for a brand new unit converted by Leader Industries, the last time I checked). Only the lack of aftersales and aftermarket support is keeping it from becoming a hit. Most ambulance service providers would still rather gamble on a used Ford E series than a brand new IVECO. The only other IVECO unit I've seen is from Ilocos.

you handle indigent patients in your ambulance?

Yes. It does happen. The number is at the bottom of the screen. We do have separate 'charity' rates on our rate sheet. Tatanggapin ko? It's not my call. This is still Aeromed, a company that is ruled by nurses. Even the name on the front windows of the ambulance is that of a nurse (our boss). It does seem peculiar, especially to high-pride doctors, but the system does work. The nurses control the business side, the doctors control the patient care side, the EMT's are in charge of the fleet.

you're in a hurry because you have another emergency? ilan ba ang emergency teams niyo?

It's currently at 13 units plus one rescue truck/crane and one first responder unit. Yes, the company is expanding to cover all fields especially now that the Lifeline Arrows are having internal problems.

Again, the reason I vented is because of the undue rudeness and unprofessional conduct of the other doctor. Face it, the public has a stereotype for different classes of people. I would still like to think that what happened was more of the exception rather than the rule as I've previously posted. But people outside the profession may see things differently and regard such conduct as 'normal'. Which is not exactly another feather in our cap.

I'm not a fanboy, but I do have high regards for PGH as an institution and this incident has not changed that.