Don't you just love those people who park stupidly?

[Joned]

I think its not about the law on who gets to park where but more of one being considerate to fellow motorists/parking lot users.

Where i park for work, the motorcycles share the same slots as cars but two to three bikes use one car slot. Everyone is happy.

No law, no obligation.

There is still no obligation for them to share a slot. Like I said, it is upto the motorist if he/she wants to share a slot. How hard can it be to understand this "One vehicle, one parking slot". It doesn't matter if its a MC or a car.
Unless specified otherwise. So the MC's pictured earlier were definitely not parked incorrectly. If they don't want to share, then there is nothing you can do about it. Just find another empty space. If there is none, then the car park is considered full so park elsewhere.

Since you mentioned being "Considerate" as a point, I have a question for you. If you own a picanto, cherry qq, or a mini and the car park is full, will you be considerate and allow MC's that can fit in the empty space between your car to share the slot with you? Probably not. Will you allow another small car to park behind you and share the slot? Probably not. I wonder why?

I wonder what people will say if the SMART car comes to the philippines. You can fit 2 of them in 1 parking slot(one behind the other) with a little space to spare. Will people say that they are inconsiderate for wasting space for using just 1 slot each when 2 cars can fit in a single parking slot?

Here's an extreme example: (4 cars in one slot)


In the states there are parking meters for each parking slot. The occupant of the slot is required to pay or else his vehicle will be towed. Do you think motorcyclists will be sharing one slot? No they won't, so its not uncommon to see MC's occupying 1 slot each. Why should other people share my slot especially if I payed for it. Life isn't a charity case.

[puroy]

^errr...pinas ito sir, hindi tate. (walang ganyan sa states) piz. :D

[renzo_d10]

Speaking of sidemirrors, uhm .. what if power-fold mirrors yun ? Di ba yun masisira if finold mo manually ?

[redeemed]

Speaking of sidemirrors, uhm .. what if power-fold mirrors yun ? Di ba yun masisira if finold mo manually ?

malamang masisira siguro... pansin ko kasi sa cousin ni esmi, CRV ride nya.. everytime na magpapark sya. parati niya pinofold sidemirrors. not sure lang ha.. let's wait sa mga nakapower-fold, manual kasi sa akin.. :D

[Joned]

^errr...pinas ito sir, hindi tate. (walang ganyan sa states) piz. :D

Hindi mo siguro na intindihan ang post ko. Ayaw ko na tagalogin para sayo.

NVM. Hindi ko rin maintindihan ang sayo e. Ang labo at walang punto.

[roninblade]

keep on fighting Joned but I doubt if you'll convince people here otherwise.

I used to own a bike myself - a 250cc Honda - and I used to (and still) think that parking slots obviously sized for a car are meant for cars and bigger vehicles, and bikers who take up one car slot like that all by themselves are lazy/selfish/inconsiderate/assholes.

common sense nalang, ganun ba kalaki ang bike mo? do you need a space that big? if there are no designated parking slots for bikes then petition the building/establishment owner to set aside some for bikes. while there is no parking slots for bikes, share that slot with other bikers para hindi sayang yung extra space. what you want (or what you think is your right) and what should be are not necesarrily the same. kulang na nga parking slots without people being inconsiderate assholes and taking up more space than necessary.

your example pic doesn't hold water. nobody would expect people with small cars to park like that. if people were to park like that, andito rin sa stupid parking thread and pics nila.

practicality and economy of space lang ;)


btw, you seem to be getting more antagonistic and personal in your posts... relax lang... don't take it too personally. if you can't take what's being dished out on the interwebs, maybe you shouldn't be participating in online discussion where people have different opinions.

[CVT]

In a parking area,- do MCs pay the same rate as cars?... If they do, then, they have the right to park in a slot allocated for a car. Else, there should be a different parking scheme for them..

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[CVT]

bopols nito. hindi mo naman masabing nagmamadali kasi may oras siya magtiklop ng sidemirror ng ibang kotse. nabubwiset ako lalo na kung ang laki ng minamaneho tapos ang bopols mag-parking. bumili ng ganun hindi kayang panindigan.

We are not certain who folded the sidemirror of the car. We are just assuming, based on the circumstances presented.

Anyway, I guess the beef here is that the driver of the Starex should have found the time to park his ride properly. (More so, if he indeed found the time to fold the sidemirror)..


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[vinj]

No law, no obligation.

There is still no obligation for them to share a slot. Like I said, it is up to the motorist if he/she wants to share a slot. How hard can it be to understand this "One vehicle, one parking slot". It doesn't matter if its a MC or a car.
Unless specified otherwise. So the MC's pictured earlier were definitely not parked incorrectly. If they don't want to share, then there is nothing you can do about it. Just find another empty space. If there is none, then the car park is considered full so park elsewhere.

Since you mentioned being "Considerate" as a point, I have a question for you. If you own a picanto, cherry qq, or a mini and the car park is full, will you be considerate and allow MC's that can fit in the empty space between your car to share the slot with you? Probably not. Will you allow another small car to park behind you and share the slot? Probably not. I wonder why?

I wonder what people will say if the SMART car comes to the philippines. You can fit 2 of them in 1 parking slot(one behind the other) with a little space to spare. Will people say that they are inconsiderate for wasting space for using just 1 slot each when 2 cars can fit in a single parking slot?

Here's an extreme example: (4 cars in one slot)


In the states there are parking meters for each parking slot. The occupant of the slot is required to pay or else his vehicle will be towed. Do you think motorcyclists will be sharing one slot? No they won't, so its not uncommon to see MC's occupying 1 slot each. Why should other people share my slot especially if I payed for it. Life isn't a charity case.

Most parking buildings and lots are private property so generally, whatever management or the owners allow, then that's the law for that parking lot. Revenue maximization is the name of the game to these guys so chances are they discourage one motorbike to take up one whole slot if they don't have designated motorbike parking (although most already do have designated parkings). A good example of revenue and space maximization is those private Makati parking lots where cars are squeezed in within inches and are moved about like a puzzle to get in and out of the lot.

On allowing another small car or motorbike to share my car slot, it is an apples to oranges comparison. A four wheeled vehicle, whether it be Mr. Bean's Mini, a Picanto, a QQ, an Altis, Camry, Pajero, or a Hummer, is still a 4-wheeled vehicle with doors and with different maneuverability dynamics so placing a motorcycle or squeezing another car next to it on the same slot is entirely different from motorbikes parked beside each other. Put in two or three motorbikes in one car slot still leaves ample space to move about (depending on the type of bike); what matters is there is space for one to safely mount and dismount his bike and in the same way, there is ample space for one to enter/exit and maneuver his car.

In principle, I do agree on the one person using one metered parking slot argument (in the US as you pointed out) as one person is paying and another one would free loading. However, a quick search will show that developed cities allow two motorcycles/scooters to use one metered slot provided either users ensure the meter time doesn't run out. If one doesnt pay-up and free loads, its merely considered anti-social but is not banned by law. Other developed cities are also implementing multi metered slots or are defining smaller metered slots for motorbikes/scooters as this recognizes that one bike using one car-sized slot is a waste increasingly scarce parking space. This is moot though as metered slots are not common here in the Philippines and everyone pays up when they enter a car park or park in a pay parking area.

and as roninblade pointed out, easy lang and lighten up. Magpapasko na at buhay pa rin ang cars versus bikes. :cheers:

Speaking of sidemirrors, uhm .. what if power-fold mirrors yun ? Di ba yun masisira if finold mo manually ?

They can be folded manually however, it is best to unfold them manually as well.

[Joned]

In a parking area,- do MCs pay the same rate as cars?... If they do, then, they have the right to park in a slot allocated for a car. Else, there should be a different parking scheme for them..

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EXACTLY!!

Most parking lots charge the same for MC's and Cars.

If I go to a parking lot without MC parking, I will use a parking slot and park my Big Bike in it. Not a damn thing fools can do about it.

A PARKING SLOT ISN'T ONLY FOR 4 WHEELERS PERIOD. That's just common sense. Have the private parking management specify otherwise.

Courtesy, Consideration BS. It seems only motorcyclists are the ones being demanded to be considerate in this country both on the road and elsewhere.

[tanatej]

The problem with his argument is, I have yet to see a parking lot WITHOUT MC parking and WITHOUT a separate parking fee table for MCs. Kahit nga yung mga bakanteng lote na ginawang makeshift parking lot may paradahan ng motor at iba ang presyuhan vs. cars.

Usually these MC-occupying-a-car-slot incidents happen in malls, who think their big bikes are too good to be with the "pang-masa" MCs just because they almost cost as much as a cheap car, kaya feeling kotse.

If I see something like this, and there are provisions for MC parking, I bring it to the attention of the guard and ask them to move it to a proper MC parking space so that I can park into that parking slot that was meant for cars in the first place. Doesn't matter if you're a Ducati in a sea of Jianghes and Chengbaos or whatever chinese-brand bikes... They charge the same fee for a Cadillac Escalade and a Suzuki Alto.

[stewie]

Mayroon bang ganyan kalaking parking dito sa Pilipinas? Sa lahat kasi ng napuntahan ko kahit sa mga hotel sakto lang para sa isang regular na sedan. Kapag SUV na katulad ng Expedition masikip na. Sa totoo lang iyan ang reklamo ko sa mga slot dito sa atin tinitipid tayo. Kaya kung may maliit na sasakyan ako at gustong makishare ng isang rider hindi ako papayag.

Simple lang naman ang issue dito, space economics, order at common sense. Mahirap kapag puro pride ang paiiralin. Patungkol naman sa "Not a damn thing fools can do about it.", ang masasabi ko lang ay huwag kang pakasisiguro dahil naging saksi na ako sa mangilan-ngilang insidente na may mga pumatol.

Ito nga pala ang parte ko.



[SIZE="4"]5224 UA[/SIZE] ang plate number.

[praetor91313]

Oo nga naman... imbis na makaalis nang mabilis yung van, kailangan pa nya iwasan yung MC kaya mas hahabaan nya ang turn. Kung wala yung MC diretso nang konti tapos makakaalis na sya kaagad.

Pag papasok pa yung driver ng van di nya mabubuksan nang maigi yung door nya at kailangan pa iwasan yung MC.

Napaka-inconsiderate naman nyang MC owner na yan.

[renzo_d10]

Joned, sige nga ... ikaw nga paradahan ng motorsiklo sa tabi ng kotse mo. Sino ba matutuwa ? And ... may designated parking slots nga sila eh. Eh di dun sila mga 2 wheeler. Sana kung wala silang designated area eh sige, hala, pumarada kayo diyan sa pang-kotse na slot.

[CVT]

EXACTLY!!

Most parking lots charge the same for MC's and Cars.

If I go to a parking lot without MC parking, I will use a parking slot and park my Big Bike in it. Not a damn thing fools can do about it.

A PARKING SLOT ISN'T ONLY FOR 4 WHEELERS PERIOD. That's just common sense. Have the private parking management specify otherwise.

Courtesy, Consideration BS. It seems only motorcyclists are the ones being demanded to be considerate in this country both on the road and elsewhere.

The problem with his argument is, I have yet to see a parking lot WITHOUT MC parking and WITHOUT a separate parking fee table for MCs. Kahit nga yung mga bakanteng lote na ginawang makeshift parking lot may paradahan ng motor at iba ang presyuhan vs. cars.

Usually these MC-occupying-a-car-slot incidents happen in malls, who think their big bikes are too good to be with the "pang-masa" MCs just because they almost cost as much as a cheap car, kaya feeling kotse.

If I see something like this, and there are provisions for MC parking, I bring it to the attention of the guard and ask them to move it to a proper MC parking space so that I can park into that parking slot that was meant for cars in the first place. Doesn't matter if you're a Ducati in a sea of Jianghes and Chengbaos or whatever chinese-brand bikes... They charge the same fee for a Cadillac Escalade and a Suzuki Alto.

Sino ba ang tama sa inyong dalawa?

Pareho ba ang parking fee ng regular car at ng MC? O hindi?

Also, if there are allocated parking space for MCs, then I guess, doon siya dapat pumarada....

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[Joned]

The problem with his argument is, I have yet to see a parking lot WITHOUT MC parking and WITHOUT a separate parking fee table for MCs. Kahit nga yung mga bakanteng lote na ginawang makeshift parking lot may paradahan ng motor at iba ang presyuhan vs. cars.

Usually these MC-occupying-a-car-slot incidents happen in malls, who think their big bikes are too good to be with the "pang-masa" MCs just because they almost cost as much as a cheap car, kaya feeling kotse.

If I see something like this, and there are provisions for MC parking, I bring it to the attention of the guard and ask them to move it to a proper MC parking space so that I can park into that parking slot that was meant for cars in the first place. Doesn't matter if you're a Ducati in a sea of Jianghes and Chengbaos or whatever chinese-brand bikes... They charge the same fee for a Cadillac Escalade and a Suzuki Alto.

You obviously don't get around to different parking lots then. Most charge the same as a car. Do you even own an MC and use it? Probably not.

You move my MC and I find out about it, then I take you to court. I highly doubt the parking attendant will cover up for you since if he does it will be him and the parking management that will end up in court. It's the same as moving a legally parked car without consent. If you move a Big Bike that is parked and locked, it's highly unlikely that you can do so without damaging the locks, and the stands. Worst case is you drop it(400 lbs or more bike) and damage the body. If its a Harley then you will be paying a lot more since those cost more than a Honda Civic.

If that happens we'll be seeing you in court for damage to property. :swear:

A parking slot is an area in a parking lot where you park any motor vehicle that fits inside the slot. And again NO it's not for cars only. Unless specified otherwise.

[Lucius]

What a way to start the day

[pista_ni_jon]

nakuha ko ang punto mo sir. kapag bigbike tulad ng mga ducati, harley, choppers, walang problema. park mo lang sa slot ng tsikot. ang kaso, mga "mini bike" tulad ng xrm, wave, scooters, etc. ang mga nagpaparada sa slot ng tsikot. dun papasok ang problema ng mga tao. kasi ang mga alloted slots sa mga mc ngayon ay puro pang-"mini" lang. at kadalasan na nasa isip ng karamihan, wala nang mas malaki pa sa mc na pang-tricycle kaya hindi kakasya ang mga big bike na tulad ng sayo.
imo, buraot lahat ng "mini" bike na nagpaparada sa slot ng tsikot kasi i doubt na walang designated area for mc nowadays in most parking area.

[tanatej]

*snip*

A parking slot is an area in a parking lot where you park any motor vehicle that fits inside the slot. And again NO it's not for cars only. Unless specified otherwise.

Doesn't the WIDTH of the parking slot already give you an idea kung para saan yung parking slot na yun?

[claRkEnt]

that's the misnomer of "common sense"... it's not that common.