"Cagers and Riders Friendly Coexistence" Thread

[Wolver888]

The fact of the matter is, this is a free country. If i want to ride a bike, i will do so. so i dont see any point in trying to convince one otherwise by ragging off on statistics and "you are more at risk bec you ride a motorcycle" and "you are going to die if you ride" lines. No point absolutely.

to each his own na, ok guys? there are risks whether on a bike or car. so assume responsiblity and take the necessary steps to insure safety. isnt that the sensible thing to do?.

:cheers: to your post.

[niwde11]

guys, basta sa bandang huli wala lang awayan. i ride both bike and 4 wheel. nadisgrasya ako dati sa 2 wheel, di ko sinabihan yung isa na "porket apat gulong mo". wait for the traffic enforcer(sana tapat) to find who's fault.

[see16]

guys, basta sa bandang huli wala lang awayan. i ride both bike and 4 wheel. nadisgrasya ako dati sa 2 wheel, di ko sinabihan yung isa na "porket apat gulong mo". wait for the traffic enforcer(sana tapat) to find who's fault.

Agree! Nasabihan na din ako nyan before.

[alwayz_yummy]

guyz, walang initan....

ang tinutukoy namin dito ung drivers that are stupid enough to drive but were loosed on the road..like my 2 posts:

trike drivers may be below my 15 y.o sisters....no tail/headlight are those are accident prone....recklessness in ourselves may also lead to accidents, may 4- or 2- wheeled..

blame the LTO to give licences to below and stupid HS graduates!

akin lang, if the MC riders wants equality, it must come that, in an accident, the 4-wheelers should not be alwayz the blame..for all the big truck drivers know that you're beside him in a tiny scooter?ako nga nakadelica na nga muntik pang mahagip ng dump-truck..

about the "subukan" issue..its just childish....we should be professionals in thinking...pano na tayo,kung sa forum lang di tayu mag-cool,panu na sa road, di ba?

so cool, and dont let the summer heat get in to you...

[ts1n1ta]

kung san san na kase napunta usapan the topic was started because of some motorcycles in the middle of the road. Napunta na sa may karapatan den sila sa road ek-ek. Lolz :lol: inom na lang tayo ice tea! cheers!

[mazdamazda]

The fact of the matter is, this is a free country. If i want to ride a bike, i will do so. so i dont see any point in trying to convince one otherwise by ragging off on statistics and "you are more at risk bec you ride a motorcycle" and "you are going to die if you ride" lines. No point absolutely.

if you want to ride a bike that's your right.

if I want to rattle off statistics and post gory motorcycle accident's that's my right. heck... this is a forum.... everyone has a different POV. it's just a matter of being civil in expressing our opinions (and by not resorting to WEAK agruments and name calling).

the mere fact that i chose to ride, means may kasamang responsibility yun. just like if i were to choose to drive a car. same thing. that responsibility means i take it upon myself to protect myself with the proper gear. it means i take it upon myself to ride/drive as defensively as i can.

good for all of us if every MB rider is as responsible as you.

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I also noticed... almost no MB rider uses his turn signals.... the only time I saw one being used was in provincial highways by tricycles...

do you guys use your turn signals?

[Bogeyman]

do you guys use your turn signals?

There are a number of occasions where I've seen a rider use his turn signals. So I guess it doesn't mean that they're never used; it's just that a lot of people need to be taught to use them more often, same as those on cars. Madalas male riders yung nakikitaan kong mag-signal. How do I know na lalaki sila? Wala silang suot na helmet eh.

Question naman, para sa mga medyo mainit ang mata sa motorsiklo: If fastfood outlets used cars instead of motorcycles on their delivery fleet, would you be willing to wait a little longer for that order of pan pizza or chicken meal, considering the traffic? Just a thought.

I remember last Holy Week nung umuwi kami papuntang Bicol, may nakasabay kaming grupo ng riders sa Quezon. All of them had big bikes, Yamaha mostly. They all had the proper gear, helmet and all, and they were riding in formation, almost like a motorcade. For a moment there, nakalimutan ko yung mga gagong riders na nae-encounter ko araw-araw sa daan. The sight of those properly equipped riders on their bikes, riding closely one after another impressed me, to an extent. I thought, maybe this is what riding ought to be.

I still don't approve of motorcycles, in light of my daily experiences with them. But I truly hope that all motorcycle riders on the road can be as responsible as the ones on this board, the way that all drivers can someday be as responsible as the average tsikoteer.

[Slider]

Hi Everyone,

I have been both riding and driving for over 20 years. Please allow me to clarify a few things.

1. Motorcycles, excluding tricycles, have outnumbered cars in the Philippines since 2001. It is erroneous to think that motorcycles are a minority
2. Motorcycles are far less likely to figure in an accident than cars. Motorcycles in the Philippines register 0.14 accidents per vehicle per year, as opposed to cars which register 1.7 accidents per vehicle per year. Under reporting of accidents is equal across all motor vehicle types.
3. Both sides of the fence need to learn how to share the road. Both vehicle types have inherent advantages and disadvantages. It is vital to safety and courtesy that both communities strive for greater edcuation. Fault the government's lack of a concerted education campaign for this. We (as in NGO's) are trying our darndest to rectify the situation and we'd appreciate your help on the matter.
4. Metro Manila's road network is already grossly overloaded and there is no physical way to address the projected increases that will be sustained for the forseable future. This will result in increased crowding, frayed nerves on all sides and eventually, more radical "voluntary" vehicle reduction programs such as the VVRP or color-coding scheme.

If you're interested in a presentation, seminar or open forum on the facts, please arrange the venue and we will be more than happy to provide a complete picture.

Stay cool everyone and share the road (that goes to bikers as well as riders).

[eojlin]

The fact of the matter is, this is a free country. If i want to ride a bike, i will do so. so i dont see any point in trying to convince one otherwise by ragging off on statistics and "you are more at risk bec you ride a motorcycle" and "you are going to die if you ride" lines. No point absolutely.

There are some points, actually...
Yes! Free country. I guess, I'm also free to express my opinion, and this happens to be the right thread or forum to discuss the risks on "Re: Bicycles/motorcycles in the middle of the road???"

And btw, I do agree that we should all be responsible drivers whether on two, four, or more wheels!

[morrissey_05]

mazda,

pardon me. i reread my post again but i don't seem to find any one occassion where, as you say, i resorted to "name calling." you mean the gago word? someone already used that.

weak arguments? what might they be? care to be more specific? btw, civility is my middle name. comes from all the years in internet forums. but would you characterize your comments about weak arguments and name calling civil?

and eojlin,

yes i respect people's opinion when they voice their "concerns" about riding a bike. heck I get enough of that in real life already hehehe. but it does really all boil down to a matter of choice. plain and simple.

freedom of expression? oh i am totally in favor of that. lets voice it out. debate dba? quid pro quo. i thought that's what we were doing here. you have the right to your opinions abt MCs, so have i. you got one side, i got another. you weren't thinking some of the arguments here would be left alone unchallenged would you? lets agree to disagree and defend our rights to say what's on our mind. i'm with you here bros.

and yes, i DO use my turn signal both on the bike and in the car. do you?

sheesh, its getting REALLY hot na in here hehehe

[ILuvDetailing]

Both sides have valid points... Walang personalan, we're just sharing our views. Talo ang pikon dito.

Motorcycles are far less likely to figure in an accident than cars. Motorcycles in the Philippines register 0.14 accidents per vehicle per year, as opposed to cars which register 1.7 accidents per vehicle per year. Under reporting of accidents is equal across all motor vehicle types.

Let me ask you this, How many % of MC drivers survive bike accidents?

We are NOT in any way descriminating MC riders, however we are apprehensive about drivers who are IRRESPONSIBLE and ABUSIVE, who drive RECKLESSLY and don't wear the proper gear. Madami akong nakikita either passenger or driver WALANG HELMET!!! Or worst both of them. Now I want to salute the MC drivers practice defensive driving.

[morrissey_05]

ILD,

Let me ask you this, How many % of MC drivers survive bike accidents?

i think that statistic illustrates more the fact that frequency-wise, there are more accidents involving cars and bikes. But fatality is another thing hehe the statistic can be used both ways depending on your appreciation of the information.

We are NOT in any way descriminating MC riders, however we are apprehensive about drivers who are IRRESPONSIBLE and ABUSIVE, who drive RECKLESSLY and don't wear the proper gear. Madami akong nakikita either passenger or driver WALANG HELMET!!! Or worst both of them.

that is a valid point. the community is working very hard to push rider education forward. sometimes it succeeds, sometimes it fails. pero the campaign is on. would you believe that most policemen don't have the proper helmets when riding?

i hope we would be equally more vocal about irresponsible, abusive, reckless drivers of cars as well. and that's what i like abt this forum which has on occassion flamed incidents of reckless, irresponsible behavior among drivers.

[Bogeyman]

Madami akong nakikita either passenger or driver WALANG HELMET!!!

Don't forget certain people who insist on cramming their entire families onto their bikes. Si tatay nasa manibela, tapos si ate at si kuya sa gitna, habang si nanay nasa likod. Minsan si bunso dala-dala pa ni misis. All these, and on a major thoroughfare to boot. At si tatay lang ang naka-helmet.

Sa panahon ngayon, kelangang magtipid, lalo na sa pagpili ng sasakyan. But this is just plain ridiculous...

[mazdamazda]

mazda,

pardon me. i reread my post again but i don't seem to find any one occassion where, as you say, i resorted to "name calling." you mean the gago word? someone already used that.

I wasn't referring to you about name calling.

weak arguments? what might they be? care to be more specific? btw, civility is my middle name. comes from all the years in internet forums. but would you characterize your comments about weak arguments and name calling civil?

again I wasn't referring to you. it is more of a general guideline...

[morrissey_05]

mazda, roger that mod. my apologies.

[bogart]

uy magandang topic it ah....

mabalikan nga mamaya....

[stradakid]

The point is its not the bike or tricycle at fault but the driver. And sadly in the Phils. we don't have much road. Whether you're driving a car or a bike, you have to drive responsibly. Talagang nakakainis yung mga road hoggers na mga bike and trike lalo na ang babagal, everyone of us naman na experience yan but there are also nakakainis na 4 wheeled drivers like jeepeys and buses. Sadly ulit, wala ng pagbabago ang Pilipinas pwera na lang kung gagawing heinous crime ang traffic violations at ipapatupad naman ng taimtim ng gobyerno.... Solution, lamig ng ulo at pasensya hanggang kaya.

[mazdamazda]

mazda, roger that mod. my apologies.

no problemo.

[dyohpri]

totoong mas maraming aksidente ang cars kesa MC. kung merong irresponsible riders, statistics shows mas maraming drivers.

i hope none of you are included in the stat.

[Hercules]

I remember last Holy Week nung umuwi kami papuntang Bicol, may nakasabay kaming grupo ng riders sa Quezon. All of them had big bikes, Yamaha mostly. They all had the proper gear, helmet and all, and they were riding in formation, almost like a motorcade. For a moment there, nakalimutan ko yung mga gagong riders na nae-encounter ko araw-araw sa daan. The sight of those properly equipped riders on their bikes, riding closely one after another impressed me, to an extent. I thought, maybe this is what riding ought to be.

Bogeyman>>

When did you go to Bicol? What day and time was it? There were 3 group that went to Bicol with Big Bikes. The Laguna Ham Radio Rider, Takaz Boys and the group I was with Sunday Riders Club

All of the riders of the 3 differnt groups were in proper safety/riding gear. That is how we gear up for out of town tours.

Lets keep the discussions Healthy.... it is good for us

cheers everyone!!!