"Cagers and Riders Friendly Coexistence" Thread

[Wolver888]

Sa mga nag sasabi ng "Subukan niyo mag drive ng Motor...", ano kaya kung sabihan kayo ng jeep na "Subukan niyo mag drive ng Jeep", o kaya "Subukan niyo mag drive ng Kalesa...", o Kaya "Subukan niyo mag drive na Pedicab?", o kaya "Subukan niyo mag drive ng Taxi?", o kaya "Subukan niyong mag lakad ng Hubad?" Di ba kayo mababadtrip?

Nakasubok din ako ng matagal tagal, from BMX, moutnain bike, road bike, tmx motorcycle, enduro, bigbike, 50cc scooter, 100cc scooter, 150cc scooter, 250cc scooter, 500cc scooter, kia pride, mitsu galant, mini truck (elf), 10 wheeler ng tito (Baguio-Bataan), estrada, SUVs, jeepney namin, taxi namin, tricycle ng barkada .... hmmmm ..... nasa driver/rider lang talaga yan, wala sa "RISK" .... pero kalesa nde pa ... hmmm ... masubukan nga.

I cruise my Majesty scooter at the expressways (NLEX and SLEX), I sometimes cruise at about 140kph or more, wala naman problema sa mga cages na nakakasabay ko, only along those traffic Jams na ang daming tarantado na cagers pilit pang sumingit, hindi na nga kasya. And about the blind spot, kung brumbado ka na cage driver (like not using signal lights or with those stupid blue light indicators), talagang makakaaksidente ka ng either motor o kapwa cage mo. I seldom use my SUV, its crazy and a waste of time sitting in the middle of a slow moving traffic that's why I ride my scooter.

Dumaan na din ako NLEX on my scooter, 125kph 3/4 throttle, ok naman basta tamang disiplina ang kailangan para safe Baguio-Manila-Baguio.




Our cage is often parked inside our garage, I seldome use it, same as Majesty's post, I don't wanna waste my time stuck in traffic, here in Baguio, traffic is getting bad too. Riding around on my motorcycle is much relaxing and time saving.

[see16]

Am just being realistic... In our country we can't expect other drivers to give way so we have to be extra alert when we drive. Private or Pubic there will be always drivers who lack a decipline and common sense, be alert, be safe, drive sensibly specially the MC drivers since they have more at stake.

I agree with you that this is the reality, but that does'nt mean that it has to stay that way.

[ILuvDetailing]

but that does'nt mean that it has to stay that way.

Hey who doesn't? But in our country it hopeless, teaching Filipinos how to drive is like teaching a dog how to talk.

Wolver888: :lol:

[mazdamazda]

Nakasubok din ako ng matagal tagal, from BMX, moutnain bike, road bike, tmx motorcycle, enduro, bigbike, 50cc scooter, 100cc scooter, 150cc scooter, 250cc scooter, 500cc scooter, kia pride, mitsu galant, mini truck (elf), 10 wheeler ng tito (Baguio-Bataan), estrada, SUVs, jeepney namin, taxi namin, tricycle ng barkada .... hmmmm ..... nasa driver/rider lang talaga yan, wala sa "RISK" ....

accidents happen... it doesn't matter if you are a good driver / rider.

if you are riding a car and gets nudged from behind by a sleepy driver... you can escape with just a dent in your bumper... but what happens when you happen to be riding a motorcycle?

an unavoidable head-on collission between a car & a motorcycle.... where would you want to be?

ILD is just pointing out that riding in motorcycles carries a bigger risk than a car as your body is exposed to outside elements & potential danger.

[Wolver888]

........... but what happens when you happen to be riding a motorcycle? ....

That's where DEFENSIVE RIDER comes in, watching my side mirrors, I'm able to see/sense a cager behind/infront of me on how its behaving. I usually let moron cagers pass by.;)

One example, one time at night (where most drunk and moron cage drivers goes out), cruising on my scooter at 70kph, with the use of my side mirrors, I see a cage overtaking some taxis I passed approaching fast behind me, hmmm, its a souped up mitsu evo probably cruising at 80-90kph, I signalled right and swerved a little to the right, let him pass, after cruising 2+kms, on a 1km stratch, I passed by this mitsu which hits a van's rear end .... stopped to check I of any help, talking to each drivers, tsk tsk tsk, I learned that the mitsu driver is drunk and gargling his words, two passengers of the van was seriously injured. Mitsu cage approaching at an estimated speed of 90kph trying to overtake van cruising at about 60kph, a jeep approaching from the other lane, van never let the mitsu overtake, mitsu swerved back to his lane, still the momentum of overtaking, too late to brake, hits van's rear end.

[FrankDrebin]

...and also wearing some protection aids like helmets, elbow/knee pads, back/spine protector, body armor, etc.

[mazdamazda]

mas maraming cage accidents than motorcycles, and that's
a fact!

fact from?

US NHTSA statistics:

There was also a marked jump in the motorcycle death rate, from 21 deaths per 100 million estimated vehicle miles traveled on motorcycles in 1997 to 33.4 deaths per 100 million miles in 2001 – an increase of more than 50%. The NHTSA notes that passenger car riders have a death rate of 1.3 per 100 million miles, a fraction of the risk of motorcyclists.

[Wolver888]

fact from?

US NHTSA statistics:

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

[greenlyt]

I've had quite a number of experience with MC riders like when liliko ako, (i make it a point na mag signal light about 50 meters before i turn kahit na walang kotse or motor sa likod ko) suddenly may biglang o-overtake na motor dun mismo sa side na lilikoan ko., or when i'm backing up palabas ng parking slot, kahit na buong kotse na yun nakalabas sa kalsada pilit pa rin sisingit yun motor para ma-unahan ka, but i'm not saying all riders are like that kaya lang marami lang talaga, and lastly a friend of mine lost his only child in a motorcycle accident, imagine nasa sidewalk na yun bata nabunggo pa rin siya ng humahataw na Motor.

[Josh0027]

I'm not yet into driving pero I agree kung gago talaga ang driver, kahit ano dala niya takaw aksidente yan. IMHO, I still prefer a cager for safety. Drive safely pips!

[jerkky]

just last sunday, coming home from subic, nakasabay ko group of bikers sa nlex. siguro mga 8-10 riders sila. nearing camachile, isa-isa nang mga parang ahas na humahataw sa daan! surprise pa ko kasi, one rider even stood sa bike nya! as in tumayo sa upuan ang mokong, with speed of around 80 kph!! (70 kph takbo ko non and halos nasa harap ko lang siya) if he's a pro and kaya nyang gawin yon, wag sa public roads. no room for mistakes, mandadamay pa ng iba. yun ang stupid! mag-exhibition ka dun sa kakaunti lang ang dumadaan.

imo, ok lang ang naka-bike basta susunod sa traffic laws. bikes are considered as one vehicle. so kung ang kotse nasa isang lane, ang bike din dapat nasa isang lane. hindi ginawa yung guhit sa kalye para yun ang daanan ng bike! bikers should stay on one lane as cars and other vehicles do. pag lilipat ng lane, signal din ng lane as other vehicles are doing (at least yung nasa tamang pag-iisip). so kung naka-bike ka, at nasa gitna ka ng dalawang guhit, ok sa akin yon! wag ka lang biglang liliko at lilipat ng lane dahil pag ginawa mo yon, isa ka ng target para maging 1-up (parang super mario). yung mga ogags na naka-motor, yun ang masarap dunggulin dahil pag nadunggul mo sila at tumilapon sila, parang nadagdagan ang buhay mo!

no offense to bikers. ok kayo sa akin basta matino kayo mag-drive, nde katulad ng nakita ko sa nlex...

[Bogeyman]

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

I'll take the NHTSA's statistics anyday. Not because those are US figures, but because the NHTSA is an objective organization governing all vehicles, unlike motorcyclephilippines.com whose very name already betrays their argument in favor of motorcycle use.

Anyway, just this noon I was on EDSA nearing Timog, when a motorcycle-riding couple suddenly swerves from my left toward me, without any turn signal or warning horn. Luckily I was able to honk them out of my lane, or I would be staring down two dead motorcyclists by now.

Cars, or "cagers", are still the more ideal mode of transport, IMO. The surrounding body shell will at least guarantee some measure of safety for the occupants, which is more than I can say for the motorcyclist who often only has empty air between him and raw pavement, if not a brick wall. Six people riding in a car is still an acceptable sight; three people riding in a motorcycle is clearly asking for trouble. In the event of a collision, a driver has seatbelts, airbags, side impact beams, ad nauseum that will restrain and confine the force of impact. In this same situation, what will prevent the rider from becoming instant roadkill?

Also, the supposed fuel savings offered by motorcycles is negated by their poor aerodynamics and relatively limited tank capacity. As for travel time, well, everyone wants to get to wherever they're going. But I'd rather endure a little traffic, safe inside my car with the knowledge that I'll get to my destination eventually, than risk my life and limb whizzing around in my haste to get there ahead of the pack. Besides, the good thing about having a car is that it reinforces the need to plan your trips ahead, however mundane they may seem. Invest in a good city map, and find alternative routes you can use the next time you find yourself in a jam.

And before anyone throws in the "environmental benefits" of using a motorcycle for brief trips, why not go all the way and use bicycles instead, like they do in China? But first, dedicated bike lanes are in order, lanes that should be respected by drivers in turn.

Drivers and riders alike can succumb to the temptation of committing senseless antics on the road at any given time, especially in this country. In a perfect world, it's something we can all do without, but as it is, I'd go with the type of vehicle that can offer relative protection in the event that something goes wrong as a result of someone's recklessness, rather than none at all.

[Wolver888]

..... Also, the supposed fuel savings offered by motorcycles is negated by their poor aerodynamics and relatively limited tank capacity. As for travel time, well, everyone wants to get to wherever they're going. But I'd rather endure a little traffic.........

When I was still using my car going to manila, fuel costs me at about 500-600 pesos of fuel. Upon reaching valenzuela, it takes me about 2-2.5 hours of traffic before reaching Ermita.

On my bike, I only used up at about 8+liters of gas from my bike's 12liter tank. From Valenzuela to Ermita it takes me at about not more than an hour.

......... safe inside my car with the knowledge that I'll get to my destination eventually, than risk my life and limb whizzing around in my haste to get there ahead of the pack.

IF you are a careless moronic motorcycle rider, you'll definitely not survive the chaotic traffic of Philippine roads.
But being defensive, alert and educated rider, you'll avoid those scary and freaky feeling of riding a motorcycle.

[O!lman]

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

Wolver, nice articles indeed...bakit pa tayo kukuha ng statistics sa US eh nandito tayo sa Pinas na halos lahat na yata ng kalye at Highway ay may congestion! We cannot compare US NHTSA stats sa Stats natin dito sa pinas...Just like comparing Orange w/ Aratilis!

I can use my Bigbike(Yamaha YZF R-6) and even my Kymco Grand 250 sa SLEX na walang problema pero dapat lahat ng registered, taxpaying motorists including sub-400cc motorcycles ay maka-access sa Tollways. Don't discriminate people who can only afford a humble MC for their own mode of transport. Hindi po magaaksaya ng napakamahal na tollfee ang mga bikers para lang subukan ang full throttle ng bike nila sa highway...They have their own schedule to meet like all of us motorists....Kaya magbigayan na lang tayo...

Mr. Frank Drebin is right, Just try to ride the bike first to appreciate this wonderful machine :freedom: ...Baka ibenta nyo na yang mga SUV at Kotse nyo... mahal na kasi ang Gaso ngayon....Tataas daw ng $105/bbl this yearend!

[Wolver888]

........Just like comparing Orange w/ Aratilis!....

Aratilis? Never seen that fruit yet, hehehe.

...... people who can only afford a humble MC for their own mode of transport.

Yep, motorcycle is affordable than cars, the problem is, lots of people are jumping into motorcycle riding but then SOME lacks education, they go out in the streets like wild riders ...... that's why SOME PEOPLE HERE starts to generalize ALL BIKERS.
If only releasing of restriction #1 on driver's license requires passing motorcycle riding education ..... then again even SOME cage drivers easily get driver's license ... kilala kasi si ganito at si ganyan, hayun madaling naka-lisensya na, susunod nalang matuto magpaabante ng sasakyan. Hahahaha.


The only risk I see about bikes is when parking it on public places, upholstery and panels exposed and easily vandalized by f*ckheads passing by and nothing good to do.

[FrankDrebin]

Yep, motorcycle is affordable than cars, the problem is, lots of people are jumping into motorcycle riding but then SOME lacks education, they go out in the streets like wild riders ...... that's why SOME PEOPLE HERE starts to generalize ALL BIKERS.

Exactly!

[ts1n1ta]

excuse lang guys ha. what do you mean by defensive MC riders? i haven't seen one. Does it mean they have to stay in one lane? or sumthin...?


Bat kayo na o-offend? i mean if you're a responsible MC rider then obviously nde kayo kasama dun sa ni-rarant ng ibang post dito. Cuz it doesn't change the fact that there are wild and irresponsible MC riders out there that we encounter. Parang kanina lang on my way to work dami ko na naman nakasabay.

[eojlin]

Motorcycles are registered vehicles. To be registered owners are required to pay fees and road users tax. I think its their right to share the roads with cars. MC's stay on the middle of the road because that is the safest part on the road for them. Kung didikit ka sa kanila talagang risky yun. It is you who's putting on the risk. You blow your horn because you want them to move aside so you can pass them. Maybe you envy them because while your stuck in traffic they just whiz pass by you. [B]kakainggit di ba?? [/B] Anyway that's why there's an MC organization fighting for the end to the illegal ban of MC's on expressways. These roads are according to international studies the most safest road for MC's..only in the philippines are MC's ban on expressways. Ohter countries even promote their use on expressways. Laid back talaga ang pilipinas..kawawa naman..tayo!!!!

I didn't make my post to fire up more misunderstandings. All i had is just an opinion that i wanted to share. I believe, what i mentioned in my previous posts are rational.
Please understand.
PLUS, i didn't even site any final or conclusive judgement against bikers. It was just an honest "opinion."
Please, no troubles.

Chill out!!!

Opinion lang ulit, there's more risk in riding a motorcycle than my cage. i won't take my baby for a motorcycle ride. Btw, worse case scenario - accidents do happen, it's easier to anticipate a mad "cage's" driving direction than a mad bike's driving direction. Opinion lang yan.
Plus, live and let live. If one wants to ride his bike on main roads then let him be. Sabi nga, ride at your own risk.

Yes! Free country. I guess, I'm also free to express my opinion, and this happens to be the right thread or forum to discuss the risks on "Bicycles/motorcycles in the middle of the road???"

And let's not call names (both sides). Peace!!!

Fyi, my M/T motorbike yung pinsan ko, yun ang dala ko sa probinsya. Sarap i-drive, sa tamang lugar.

[Wolver888]

May EB pala ang Tsikot.com sa April 9....Punta ako dahil nandoon si Bluegirl! Gusto ko sana syang isakay sa Yamaha R-6 ko kaya lang very uncomfortable naman dahil maingay....Pwede na siguro sa maxi-scoot- Kymco Grand Dink ... magkapitbahay lang pala tayo ma'am...sa Greenheights sucat po ako...sabay na tayo sa EB!

Bro, sa Kymco mo nalang, mas comportable sya dun dahil may backrest, enough power din para sa cruising cruising. Hehehehe.:D

[morrissey_05]

The fact of the matter is, this is a free country. If i want to ride a bike, i will do so. so i dont see any point in trying to convince one otherwise by ragging off on statistics and "you are more at risk bec you ride a motorcycle" and "you are going to die if you ride" lines. No point absolutely.

to each his own na, ok guys? there are risks whether on a bike or car. so assume responsiblity and take the necessary steps to insure safety. isnt that the sensible thing to do?

the mere fact that i chose to ride, means may kasamang responsibility yun. just like if i were to choose to drive a car. same thing. that responsibility means i take it upon myself to protect myself with the proper gear. it means i take it upon myself to ride/drive as defensively as i can.

concerning the left turn situation, if you were a good/responsible driver, you look behind dba if someone is coming. signal your intentions, then you execute the turn. if you were a good/responsible rider, you would anticipate the left turn and figure out another exit. slow down. go right? pwede. why go left if the car is turning left? stupid, if you ask me.

reality check again: marami talagang gagong riders. e marami rin gagong drivers.

if we ALL ride/drive defensively, so much the better for everyone. and I mean no more of that macho AGGRESSIVE driving tactics we have to allegedly adopt just because these are Philippine streets. mahirap ang defensive driving pero posible. renounce defensive riding/driving and you put yourself at risk. you don't own the streets, or even your life. simple as that. kung alanganin, wag na ipasok. simple rin diba?

It is possible to adopt defensive driving whether on a bike or in a car.

PS: like wolver (ata) i have logged a lot of hours on the saddle on a bicycle. and I think its the best training and I have never had an accident (knock on wood). on the other hand, i have had my bruises while driving cars. not accidents ha. but the usual scrapes and bumps. go figure.